Championship and Covid

The Lost Sheep

PTH2009 wrote: »

They could still of fixed Prov and Al Ireland clubs

2020/2021 Club Championships

Provincial Prelim Rounds- Weekend of 9th/10th Jan 2021
Provincial QF Finals- Weekend of 16th/17th Jan 2021
Provincial Semi Finals- Weekend of 23/24th Jan 2021
Provincial Finals- Weekend of 30/31st Jan
All Ireland Semi finals- 13/14 Feb
All Ireland Finals- 27th/28th Feb (triple headers each day Hurling and Football)

its an exceptional year. For once it would be great to not have club players slogging it out over Christmas and new years. Just give counties more time and space to play out their competitions with no rush to try fit games in before a provincial competition

PTH2009

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

its an exceptional year. For once it would be great to not have club players slogging it out over Christmas and new years. Just give counties more time and space to play out their competitions with no rush to try fit games in before a provincial competition

Most counties should have there championships over by October

feargale

I look forward to the excitement of a knock out championship, and I suspect alot of those who saw it in the last century will likewise approve, as well as lots of those seeing it for the first time. All the backdoors and sidedoors that were introduced cramped the club calendar and devalued the leagues.
A knockout open championship could still accomodate provincial championships as follows:
Here is a template by way of an example:
Write the 32 counties alphabetically, and assume that is how the All-Ireland draw pans out, i.e. Antrim v Armagh and Wexford v Wicklow in 1st round etc. For simplicity I'm including Kilkenny and excluding London and NYC. Say Dublin win out. They are then automatically crowned Leinster champions. No loss there - All-Ireland champions are unlikely to take a subsequent provincial championship seriously.
The championships of the other provinces follow the All-Ireland.
Take the Connacht championship. Sligo, beaten by Roscommon in round one, are out of the Connacht championship. Leitrim beat Limerick in round one, but get beaten by Louth in round two, and Mayo beat Louth in round three. There Leitrim are out because they lost to a team that in turn lost to another Connacht team. Three counties are left. Mayo and Roscommon are on the same side of the draw, so they play each other and the winners play Galway in the Connacht final.
Merits:
1. The provincials are preserved, but not at the expense of an open All-Ireland draw.
2. For many weak county teams winning a provincial title is as much as they will ever achieve and they should not be deprived of that.
3. This system puts less pressure on the calendar.

Not enough inter-county games? The leagues can take care of that if necessary. Or the free days can be taken up by the clubs.

Bonniedog

Going by the news, there will be nothing moving in two months time. This virus is not going anywhere.

The Lost Sheep

PTH2009 wrote: »

Most counties should have there championships over by October

maybe but you still dont need to have these competitions played. With timetable you propose players will still be training all through winter so any county players wouldnt get a break before going straight into 2021
This should be chance to make better structure for everyone and if in short term we dont have an all Ireland club series this year then that should be price to pay

SeaFields

I think this is the best thread to ask this. Feel free to redirect me..

I am a Covid supervisor for a local club. When I log into the gaa return to play electronic questionnaire site, I can only see myself. None of the others in the club. I have ticked I am a Covid supervisor. Any ideas?! Just teething issues with the site?

CiarraiAbu2

SeaFields wrote: »

I think this is the best thread to ask this. Feel free to redirect me..

I am a Covid supervisor for a local club. When I log into the gaa return to play electronic questionnaire site, I can only see myself. None of the others in the club. I have ticked I am a Covid supervisor. Any ideas?! Just teething issues with the site?

When you log in click on the home screen, there is also a filter on the right of the form where you should be able to filter by team, trying clicking on that first. Its where you will see your name and club.

If not the club secretary would have got an email on the 22nd of June with a PDF on Covid 19 Health Questionnaire, on it there is a link where they have to enter all the e-mail addresses of the covid supervisors. That will have to be done first.

SeaFields

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

When you log in click on the home screen, there is also a filter on the right of the form where you should be able to filter by team, trying clicking on that first. Its where you will see your name and club.

If not the club secretary would have got an email on the 22nd of June with a PDF on Covid 19 Health Questionnaire, on it there is a link where they have to enter all the e-mail addresses of the covid supervisors. That will have to be done first.

Thanks. The filtering brings up only myself but the email address thing sounds plausible. I was a last minute appointment! Cheers CiarraiAbu2

BonnieSituation

doc_17 wrote: »

It’s always a storm in a tea cup unless you’re directly affected by it. That decision stinks.

I don't get what stinks.

I the Super 8s didn't happen the schedule dictates that it would have been:
Connacht v Munster and Ulster v Leinster in the SF.

The Super 8s themselves were organised so that they would have "kinda" confirmed to the traditional cycle.

So in 2018 the traditional cycle would have been M v U and L v C, meaning that L and U had to be together in one group and M and C in the other.
Group 1: Kerry and Galway; Group 2: Dublin and Donegal

In 2019 the traditional cycle would have been U v C and L v M, meaning that U and M had to be together in one group and L and C in the other. Group 1: Kerry and Donegal; Group 2: Dublin and Roscommon

Seems they're spot on with the SF lineups for this year.

Bonniedog

With the latest CP decree on county training, is it not time for counties to say "forget about it lads"?

I don't think championships should go ahead anyway, but this is ludicrous in the light of how other sports, both here and abroad are coming back. Including the FAI women now. All within the regulations I hasten to add.

Always_Running

Bonniedog wrote: »

With the latest CP decree on county training, is it not time for counties to say "forget about it lads"?

I don't think championships should go ahead anyway, but this is ludicrous in the light of how other sports, both here and abroad are coming back. Including the FAI women now. All within the regulations I hasten to add.

Inter County Championship doesn't start for most counties until November. HQ doesn't want teams training for it until September 14th sounds pretty reasonable to me and fitness of players shouldn't be issues if they come through their club championships injury free.

dirkmeister

According to Off The Ball’s survey not a single county is back training,

Great stuff.

wirelessdude01

dirkmeister wrote: »

According to Off The Ball’s survey not a single county is back training,

Great stuff.

A few gave a 'no comment' response. A few others gave a non committal response and some rubbish about deferring to HQ.

feargale

Always_Running wrote: »

Inter County Championship doesn't start for most counties until November. HQ doesn't want teams training for it until September 14th sounds pretty reasonable to me and fitness of players shouldn't be issues if they come through their club championships injury free.

We cannot foresee the future. If matters haven't drastically improved by September I can see the GAA doing an about turn. But if things are to go ahead they have to set out a roadmap now as they have done.

Always_Running

feargale wrote: »

We cannot foresee the future. If matters haven't drastically improved by September I can see the GAA doing an about turn. But if things are to go ahead they have to set out a roadmap now as they have done.

Matters drastically improve? If you are on about the virus well things have drastically improved on this island than a view months ago and it's one of the reasons why club football should be up and running by the end of this month.

beggars_bush

dirkmeister wrote: »

According to Off The Ball’s survey not a single county is back training,

Great stuff.

Well I can tell you that is bull

Realt Dearg Sec

feargale wrote: »

We cannot foresee the future. If matters haven't drastically improved by September I can see the GAA doing an about turn. But if things are to go ahead they have to set out a roadmap now as they have done.

Short of the virus ceasing to exist it's hard to imagine how much more drastically it could improve than it has done. Your odds of contracting it right now are, statistically, negligible in Ireland.

shmeee

beggars_bush wrote: »

Well I can tell you that is bull

Yes and already county players already not "around" for challenge games for their clubs.

wirelessdude01

shmeee wrote: »

Yes and already county players already not "around" for challenge games for their clubs.

Breaffy played Annaghdown last night. Aido played for Breaffy and Comer played for Annagh. There could be valid reasons why lads aren't around for a challenge game. Often missed them myself for various reasons.

shmeee

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Breaffy played Annaghdown last night. Audi played for Breaffy and Conor played for Annagh. There could be valid reasons why lads aren't around for a challenge game. Often missed them myself for various reasons.

A club team was missing all their county mean, that's not just by chance.

Fr Tod Umptious

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Short of the virus ceasing to exist it's hard to imagine how much more drastically it could improve than it has done. Your odds of contracting it right now are, statistically, negligible in Ireland.

But that is going to increase as there is far more contact now that the country is more or less fully open.

We have seen other countries having to firefight various outbreaks over the last few weeks.

It will be no different here in the weeks and months to come.

There is no guarantee that come September 14th or October 17th that we will be in any state to start inter county football and hurling.

I hope I'm wrong.

wirelessdude01

shmeee wrote: »

A club team was missing all their county mean, that's not just by chance.

Do you mind saying which county the club is in?

shmeee

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Do you mind saying which county the club is in?

Dublin and Hurling!

wirelessdude01

shmeee wrote: »

Dublin and Hurling!

Cuala or Crokes?

Realt Dearg Sec

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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But that is going to increase as there is far more contact now that the country is more or less fully open.

We have seen other countries having to firefight various outbreaks over the last few weeks.

It will be no different here in the weeks and months to come.

There is no guarantee that come September 14th or October 17th that we will be in any state to start inter county football and hurling.

I hope I'm wrong.

That's why I said right now though. My point being, I'm not sure what "drastic improvement" he thinks would have to happen, there has been a drastic improvement. If it ticks back up then yeah the season might be threatened, but the implication of the post was that it couldn't go ahead the way things are right now. Long as things stay the way they are now of course you absolutely could have a season.

shmeee

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Cuala or Crokes?

Neither, would have 3/4 players on county panel

mountgomery burns

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0705/1151500-shane-mcgrath-fixtures-cpa-briody/

An awful lot of sense in this, think the a split season and condensed timeframe for championship is the only creditable future of fixtures scheduling.

To add to this, one way of getting rid of the club v County debate going on at the minute is to have County at the beginning of the year and Club played after therefore releasing county players back to clubs. Think you'd be looking at something from maybe April to early July for Inter county championships.

It no doubt still wouldn't be straightforward but hopefully proper consideration to what needs to be done will be given on account of what transpired this year.

Bonniedog

shmeee wrote: »

Neither, would have 3/4 players on county panel

So the other club that wears red jerseys!

Dublin hurlers are not back training so of they were missing it was not for that reason.

And can't imagine why any county would want to stop county men getting games. Sitting at home watching netflix is hardly good prep for championship

Realt Dearg Sec

Bonniedog wrote: »

Dublin hurlers are not back training

*Wink wink* sure they're not.

Neither are kilkenny *wink wink*

Loafing Oaf

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

*Wink wink* sure they're not.

Neither are kilkenny *wink wink*

Anyone known which county football panels that are definitely not back training?

rossie1977

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Anyone known which county football panels that are definitely not back training?

Majority won't be i bet outside the big 4-5 in football anyway.

Boom__Boom

If I was running things I'd be kicking Wexford out of the championship for this year.

From the video here it's blatant that he injured his foot training with the county. If you listen to the video you can hear Walsh starting to say training but then changes to to "doing something" with the county team.

1:20 mark in the video

Wexford County Board refute claim Ryan was injured 'doing something with county team'


Michael Verney

July 09 2020 02:30 AM

Chances are Rapparees senior hurling boss Padge Walsh probably had the words out of his mouth before he realised it when claiming that Wexford full-back Liam Ryan broke his foot "doing something with the county team".

In a video interview with Wexford Today previewing the Wexford SHC, Walsh said that Ryan had picked up an injury before clubs officially returned to training which sees him ruled out of action for the immediate future.

"We're in big trouble," Walsh said. "Liam is in big trouble at the minute, he's on crutches and has a boot on his foot. He picked up an injury doing something with the county team or something.

"He has a bone broke in the bottom of his foot and obviously he's going to be out for the championship, simple as that. Liam is such a colossus for us, he's such a big player for us, it's unreal.

"We're trying to play catch-up, it's not ideal for any team, it's not just us. Just two weeks of contact hurling before a championship match surely wouldn't be ideal."

Protective

With Rapparees opening their Wexford SHC campaign against Shelmaliers on Saturday week, there is no hope of Ryan, who was pictured on crutches with a protective boot on his left leg, being fit to play.

A spokesperson for Wexford GAA last night, however, distanced themselves from such talk and insisted that Ryan's injury was sustained while on club duty.

"Liam Ryan recently suffered a hairline fracture in his foot but Wexford GAA are adamant that Liam's injury was sustained with his club while preparing for the upcoming club championships," the spokesperson said.

The loss of Ryan is a major blow for the Enniscorthy side with Walsh now without his star defender for the rapid-fire championship.

There is likely to have been plenty of disgruntled club managers around the country lamenting the absence of their county stars before the Association decided to row back on an earlier directive and take a harder line by putting stricter sanctions in place for counties which breach the rules.

The risks facing counties which bend the rules are now real with teams liable to be booted out of the championship if returning before September 14, while county chairpersons have been told that they will be held responsible should their county teams be found to have trained before that date.

Clubs can report any grievances or incidences of collective inter-county training directly to Croke Park with such correspondence required to come from the official club secretary email address.

https://wexfordtoday.com/2020/07/07/liam-ryan-out-for-the-rapparees/

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/wexford-county-board-refute-claim-ryan-was-injured-doing-something-with-county-team-39352450.html?

Pogue eile

Boom__Boom wrote: »

If I was running things I'd be kicking Wexford out of the championship for this year.

I have no doubt that many and probably a large majority of counties have transgressed the rules. But that Article and video proves absolutely nothing.

BloodyBill

Pogue eile wrote: »

I have no doubt that many and probably a large majority of counties have transgressed the rules. But that Article and video proves absolutely nothing.

Ah it does. The manager is saying the injury didn't happen at club training. The County board are lying.

Pogue eile

BloodyBill wrote: »

Ah it does. The manager is saying the injury didn't happen at club training. The County board are lying.

Collective training with the county is banned, he could have just as easily have broken it in the Gym or the likes as part of a fitness plan given to county players.

To hand out a ban there would have to be a lot more compelling evidence than that and as I said there would be no one left in the championship

wirelessdude01

That club manager began to say what sounded training but changed it to something with the county. Pretty clear if you ask me.

Club as much at fault then. They should grow a pair and report the county board to Croke Park.

Boom__Boom

Pogue eile wrote: »

Collective training with the county is banned, he could have just as easily have broken it in the Gym or the likes as part of a fitness plan given to county players.

To hand out a ban there would have to be a lot more compelling evidence than that and as I said there would be no one left in the championship

Except Wexford GAA said the injury was sustained with his club, which is a direct contradiction of what Walsh said.

A spokesperson for Wexford GAA last night, however, distanced themselves from such talk and insisted that Ryan's injury was sustained while on club duty.

"Liam Ryan recently suffered a hairline fracture in his foot but Wexford GAA are adamant that Liam's injury was sustained with his club while preparing for the upcoming club championships," the spokesperson said.

PTH2009

coincidentally a squad of 30 odd guys might end meeting up in the same place at the same time

Billy Ocean

Another plot twist

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/rapparees-confirm-wexford-star-ryan-injured-foot-with-club-not-county-1010320.html

joebloggs32

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Another plot twist

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/rapparees-confirm-wexford-star-ryan-injured-foot-with-club-not-county-1010320.html

And in news just in to the Examiner sports desk, the Pope supports Rangers

Realt Dearg Sec

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Another plot twist

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/rapparees-confirm-wexford-star-ryan-injured-foot-with-club-not-county-1010320.html

Everyone got their story straight so. Nice one.

wirelessdude01

So the selectoranager of the club team wasn't aware that their star player had broken his foot at their own training. I've heard it all now. Clear at mud that they've now got their story 'straight' for CP.

Loafing Oaf

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Everyone got their story straight so. Nice one.

joebloggs32

If Wexford win the championship (though I think we won't get to have one) this year then there needs to be a huge******** put after it

Bonniedog

joebloggs32 wrote: »

If Wexford win the championship (though I think we won't get to have one) this year then there needs to be a huge******** put after it

If they are not going to allow county teams proper preparation for a championship to be played in the middle of winter then they should forget about the whole thing and just run off the national leagues.

Anyway, as one county player apparently told club mates: "Lads, there will be no county games this year."

TCDStudent1

Bonniedog wrote: »

If they are not going to allow county teams proper preparation for a championship to be played in the middle of winter then they should forget about the whole thing and just run off the national leagues.

Anyway, as one county player apparently told club mates: "Lads, there will be no county games this year."

But that county player is as clueless as the rest of us about what will happen in Autumn / Winter

Bonniedog

All the indications are that second wave is on.

If that happens here, and depending on scale of deaths, it will depend on whether state goes back to full on lockdown or accepts a certain number of deaths with more targeted controls.

I'd imagine they will take a stricter approach and that will mean no team sports.

scrubs33

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

But that county player is as clueless as the rest of us about what will happen in Autumn / Winter

As much as I want a championship I might have to agree with that player. I was in the company of a data modeller (I think that's the correct term) and they were outlining their projections up to Christmas regarding spread/clusters etc. Even the best case scenarios had behind close doors games as highly unlikely given restrictions that could be in place. I know a lot of ifs and buts there and the models have been wrong before as we know.

TCDStudent1

scrubs33 wrote: »

As much as I want a championship I might have to agree with that player. I was in the company of a data modeller (I think that's the correct term) and they were outlining their projections up to Christmas regarding spread/clusters etc. Even the best case scenarios had behind close doors games as highly unlikely given restrictions that could be in place. I know a lot of ifs and buts there and the models have been wrong before as we know.

Yeah, could well be the case. My point was more that county players have no more knowledge about what will happen than anybody else.