Championship and Covid

Coillte_Bhoy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s not about everyone catching, it’s about everyone spreading it.

I was going to post same but thought 'Jesus, whats the point at this stage' some people :rolleyes:

yop

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s not about everyone catching, it’s about everyone spreading it.

Worrying that people need to educated on this still. When you see what happened with the camp in Mayo then this is a prime example.

PTH2009

This new phase has the earliest end date of 13th Sep which is a day before 'Intercounty' training is due to start

Bonniedog

Bonniedog wrote: »

The training restriction is ludicrous, and in effect means that teams can no longer prepare properly.

The % of positive tests that lead to hospitalization, severe illness and death for age groups taking part in sport are tiny. It is unlikely either that elderly people with underlying conditions are going to be going to see club games.

Time to call a halt to this. If it is not going to go away then so be it. Can't close the country down for ever, or let it be run by medical bureaucrats.

190 people to day a lot not elderly .

joebloggs32

franglan wrote: »

Think most people appreciate some form of direction or even logic to decisions being made but this very much seems to be lacking. So from what I can gather max of 15 boys training together from same club but "sporting events" (matches) can continue. We can't train together but could play another team with 48 players minimum plus management there no bother. Perhaps they are looking to force the hand of sporting organisations to call off their respective competitons as this set-up of no group training but matches continuing is not sustainable. I can hear a statement from John Horan with bad news incoming...

You cant have 15 boys training.
You need to include the coaches in thst too, so if dealing either children its a maximum of 13 players plus two adults.
Now my own club has 3 pitches. Doe that mean we could have 3 separate groups training on each pitch?

PTH2009

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

wirelessdude01

yop wrote: »

Worrying that people need to educated on this still. When you see what happened with the camp in Mayo then this is a prime example.

What's this?

Billy Ocean

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

Good they should be challenged on such draconian measures

howiya

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

Disappointed with that statement to be honest. Been refreshing the club email account all night waiting for guidance on how best to proceed and the only official word we get is this.

beggars_bush

A more appropriate response by government would be to shut all off licences

zetecescort

howiya wrote: »

Disappointed with that statement to be honest. Been refreshing the club email account all night waiting for guidance on how best to proceed and the only official word we get is this.

Not sure what you were expecting. I imagine the GAA will meet tomorrow to discuss the new restrictions and give guidance afterwards. I think these restrictions have blindsided everyone

arctictree

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

So what happens if the GAA find that there is no evidence that their activities are spreading covid and reject the recommendations?

Boom__Boom

From what I can figure* 58 different GAA clubs in 21 counties have suspended activites due to positive,possible or outbreaks in the local community since the big lockdown was lifted. This clubs in Kildare, Carlow, Laois werer all prior to the mini-lockdown.

* This was based on some pretty quick Googling

Raheny Dublin positive case
Man O'War Dublin positive case
James Stephens Kilkenny positive case
Simonstown Meath possible case
Nobber Meath possible case
Ballinabrackey Meath positive case
Park-Ratheniska Laois positive case
Timahoe Laois positive case
Carbury Kildare positive case
Kilcormac/Killoughey Offaly possible case
Clonmore Carlow positive case
St Brigids Carlow possible case
Rathvilly Carlow outbreak in the community
Fenagh Carlow possible case
Old Leighlin GAA Carlow positive case
Killeavy Armagh 5 positive cases
Eglish Tyrone positive case
Aghaloo Tyrone possible case
Banagher Derry outbreak in the community
Claudy Derry outbreak in the community
Ardmore Derry outbreak in the community
Foreglen Derry outbreak in the community
Drum Derry outbreak in the community
Drumsurn Derry outbreak in the community
Magilligan Derry outbreak in the community
Glack Derry outbreak in the community
Limavady Derry outbreak in the community
Craigbane Derry outbreak in the community
St Marys Banagher Derry positive case
Atticall Down outbreak in the community
Longstone Down positive case
Dundrum Down positive case
Four Masters Donegal possible case
Naomh Conaill Donegal possible case
Bundoran Donegal possible case
Naomh Colmcille Donegal possible case
Cloughaneely Donegal possible case
Truagh Gaels Monaghan positive case
Argideen Rangers Cork possible case
Glanworth Cork positive case
Ballinascarty Cork possible case
St Oliver Plunketts Cork possible case
Claughan Limerick positive case
St Patricks Limerick positive case
Ahane Limerick possible case
Cappamore Limerick possible case
St Kierans Limerick possible case
Cratloe Clare 6 positive cases
Clondegad Clare possible case
Clerihan Tipperary possible case
Ballinahinch Tipperary possible case
Eastern Harps Sligo possible case
Kinvara Galway outbreak in the community
Moy Davitts Mayo possible case
Loughmore Mayo possible case
Balla Mayo outbreak in the community
Louisburgh Mayo outbreak in the community
Strokestown Roscommon possible case


The 11 counties where a GAA club hasn't suspended action are

Wicklow
Wexford
Westmeath
Louth
Longford
Antrim
Fermanagh
Cavan
Kerry
Waterford
Leitrim

John O.Groats

arctictree wrote: »

So what happens if the GAA find that there is no evidence that their activities are spreading covid and reject the recommendations?

From direct experience I can tell you now that won`t happen.

howiya

zetecescort wrote: »

Not sure what you were expecting. I imagine the GAA will meet tomorrow to discuss the new restrictions and give guidance afterwards. I think these restrictions have blindsided everyone

I was expecting some guidance as I said in the post you've quoted

BonnieSituation

Boom__Boom wrote: »

The 11 counties where a GAA club hasn't suspended action are

Wicklow
Wexford
Westmeath
Louth
Longford
Antrim
Fermanagh
Cavan
Kerry
Waterford
Leitrim

That has "handy one for Kerry" written all over it.

kksaints

Boom__Boom wrote: »

From what I can figure* 58 different GAA clubs in 21 counties have suspended activites due to positive,possible or outbreaks in the local community since the big lockdown was lifted. This clubs in Kildare, Carlow, Laois werer all prior to the mini-lockdown.

* This was based on some pretty quick Googling

Raheny Dublin positive case
Man O'War Dublin positive case
James Stephens Kilkenny positive case
Simonstown Meath possible case
Nobber Meath possible case
Ballinabrackey Meath positive case
Park-Ratheniska Laois positive case
Timahoe Laois positive case
Carbury Kildare positive case
Kilcormac/Killoughey Offaly possible case
Clonmore Carlow positive case
St Brigids Carlow possible case
Rathvilly Carlow outbreak in the community
Fenagh Carlow possible case
Old Leighlin GAA Carlow positive case
Killeavy Armagh 5 positive cases
Eglish Tyrone positive case
Aghaloo Tyrone possible case
Banagher Derry outbreak in the community
Claudy Derry outbreak in the community
Ardmore Derry outbreak in the community
Foreglen Derry outbreak in the community
Drum Derry outbreak in the community
Drumsurn Derry outbreak in the community
Magilligan Derry outbreak in the community
Glack Derry outbreak in the community
Limavady Derry outbreak in the community
Craigbane Derry outbreak in the community
St Marys Banagher Derry positive case
Atticall Down outbreak in the community
Longstone Down positive case
Dundrum Down positive case
Four Masters Donegal possible case
Naomh Conaill Donegal possible case
Bundoran Donegal possible case
Naomh Colmcille Donegal possible case
Cloughaneely Donegal possible case
Truagh Gaels Monaghan positive case
Argideen Rangers Cork possible case
Glanworth Cork positive case
Ballinascarty Cork possible case
St Oliver Plunketts Cork possible case
Claughan Limerick positive case
St Patricks Limerick positive case
Ahane Limerick possible case
Cappamore Limerick possible case
St Kierans Limerick possible case
Cratloe Clare 6 positive cases
Clondegad Clare possible case
Clerihan Tipperary possible case
Ballinahinch Tipperary possible case
Eastern Harps Sligo possible case
Kinvara Galway outbreak in the community
Moy Davitts Mayo possible case
Loughmore Mayo possible case
Balla Mayo outbreak in the community
Louisburgh Mayo outbreak in the community
Strokestown Roscommon possible case


The 11 counties where a GAA club hasn't suspended action are

Wicklow
Wexford
Westmeath
Louth
Longford
Antrim
Fermanagh
Cavan
Kerry
Waterford
Leitrim

Ferns in Wexford suspended all activities yesterday.

Boom__Boom

Billy Ocean wrote: »

People don't mind tough decisions like this if there's logic, merit and/or common sense behind it, on all known evidence this decision lacks all 3 of the above...

711 cases in the last week.
Cases in 23 out of 26 counties in the last three days alone.
This is two weeks out from the schools going back.

peejay1986

Louth GAA moving all its Championship games to its facility in Darver.

https://louthnow.ie/2020/08/18/all-championship-games-move-to-darver-as-gates-close-to-supporters/

Bringing it all in-house now.

Billy Ocean

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Good they should be challenged on such draconian measures

Wake up.

robbiezero

John O.Groats wrote: »

From direct experience I can tell you now that won`t happen.

What direct experience?

Billy Ocean

Boom__Boom wrote: »

711 cases in the last week.
Cases in 23 out of 26 counties in the last three days alone.
This is two weeks out from the schools going back.

But we're free too travel abroad, have any many drinks as we want in 105 mins in a pub, you can have a church full of 50 people over 70, go to a wedding with 50 strangers but parents can't stand at the side of a field (19 times more likely to get it indoors rather than outdoors)while they're children are playing an underage blitz.

Billy Ocean

Fred Daly wrote: »

Wake up.

just have a look at my reply to boom boom...

John O.Groats

robbiezero wrote: »

What direct experience?

Direct experience of the GAA following Government regulations and guidelines to the letter and beyond. It will be no different this time.

robbiezero

John O.Groats wrote: »

Direct experience of the GAA following Government regulations and guidelines to the letter and beyond. It will be no different this time.

Absolutely they won't reject the recommendations, but it would be quite the bloody nose for the Government if the empirical evidence is inadequate.
This is the biggest backlash I have seen since the start of the pandemic.

TCDStudent1

robbiezero wrote: »

Absolutely they won't reject the recommendations, but it would be quite the bloody nose for the Government if the empirical evidence is inadequate.
This is the biggest backlash I have seen since the start of the pandemic.

I wonder if NPHET will decline the invitation, I doubt they are under any obligation to accept it?

wirelessdude01

Very public questioning of the public story.

robbiezero

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I wonder if NPHET will decline the invitation, I doubt they are under any obligation to accept it?

I think it would look poor for their credibility if they do decline it.

robbiezero

Boom__Boom wrote: »

711 cases in the last week.
Cases in 23 out of 26 counties in the last three days alone.
This is two weeks out from the schools going back.

How many cases have been spread through outdoor sporting activity?

John O.Groats

robbiezero wrote: »

Absolutely they won't reject the recommendations, but it would be quite the bloody nose for the Government if the empirical evidence is inadequate.
This is the biggest backlash I have seen since the start of the pandemic.

In other words they may complain about the new rules all they want but at the end of the day they will comply with them. As they have from the start of the virus impacting this country.

wirelessdude01

robbiezero wrote: »

How many cases have been spread through outdoor sporting activity?

That isn't the issue they are presenting though. They are saying that people are sharing transport to games, socialising before and after games.

If there were clusters associated with this it would have been publicised before now.

robbiezero

John O.Groats wrote: »

In other words they may complain about the new rules all they want but at the end of the day they will comply with them. As they have from the start of the virus impacting this country.

They will, but it might be a very worthwhile exercise and could ensure that they are left alone after September 13 and not seen as low hanging fruit again.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a roll back on this before Sept 13. Under age games already being cancelled all over the country.

wirelessdude01

robbiezero wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised to see a roll back on this before Sept 13. Under age games already being cancelled all over the country.

What counties?

robbiezero

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

That isn't the issue they are presenting though. They are saying that people are sharing transport to games, socialising before and after games.

If there were clusters associated with this it would have been publicised before now.

The usual sledgehammer approach from them. Could they not have recommended masks when sharing transport etc.

Same people sharing transport to games can go eat and drink at the same table all night anyway without travelling to games.

robbiezero

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What counties?

Dublin have cancelled all under 12 fixtures tomorrow night. Kerry doing similar. Seen a few more also. I imagine most counties will follow suit at least for the short term.

Hurrache

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Good they should be challenged on such draconian measures

Notions expecting a meeting and explanation. They should be told to with themselves and if they've any issues go through the proper channels, at least starting with a minister or public office.

John O.Groats

Hurrache wrote: »

Notions expecting a meeting and explanation. They should be told to f off with themselves and if they've any issues go through the proper channels, at least starting with a minister or public office.

If nothing else it would be a good PR exercise to meet with the GAA though at the end of the day it wouldn`t change any of the new rules at least during the scheduled timescale.

Billy Ocean

Hurrache wrote: »

Notions expecting a meeting and explanation. They should be told to f off with themselves and if they've any issues go through the proper channels, at least starting with a minister or public office.

Possibly true but if a organisation shows you contempt why so them any respect...

Hurrache

They're not singling any particular organisation out for contempt though.

castletownman

Four hurling county finals in Wexford this weekend. There's no way they'll be cancelled as all credibility and fairness will go out the window.

Good luck monitoring the crowds around town if Gorey win the senior though. Its almost encouraging mass gatherings.

Billy Ocean

castletownman wrote: »

Four hurling county finals in Wexford this weekend. There's no way they'll be cancelled as all credibility and fairness will go out the window.

Good luck monitoring the crowds around town if Gorey win the senior though. Its almost encouraging mass gatherings.

that's it I actually think today's decisions have the potential to cause public health issues( people meeting indoors to watch streams) rather than help stem the tide of rising cases...

kaizersoze

It's a safe bet that the NEPHET advice to government today was to shut down all sporting activity but it got watered down in cabinet under pressure from TDs. That's exactly what they will be told if the ACMO accepts their sarcastic invitation to a meeting (which he won't)

The same with the 'wedding' scenario. Kept at 50 to appease the hospitality sector.

That statement from Croke Park is a disgrace. The measures announced today is in response to a growing public health emergency of which GAA, along with other organisations, activities are a casualty. Their response is a sarcastic quip at the medical professionals trying to get to grips with it.

MrMusician18

Billy Ocean wrote: »

People don't mind tough decisions like this if there's logic, merit and/or common sense behind it, on all known evidence this decision lacks all 3 of the above...

The idea is to reduce the number of mass gatherings. Like it or not, sport is the most discretionary of all the gatherings that take place. Few, if anyone, depend economically if that U11 match takes place or not - so the very first thing that's going to get the chop is sport. And rightly so. Spectator sport will be sacrificed to get schools open, which is exponentially more important.

And the GAA has lots to answer for here, counties have effectively brought this on themselves. Of all the anti-covid measures I've seen in various businesses, sports has been by far the weakest, particularly when it comes to spectators. Looks at the streams and you see SFA distancing going on.

The behavior is almost like "ah shur there's no one watching us, go on ahead there do what you like" as if the virus itself is in on this nod wink culture.

kaizersoze

This!

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The idea is to reduce the number of mass gatherings. Like it or not, sport is the most discretionary of all the gatherings that take place. Few, if anyone, depend economically if that U11 match takes place or not - so the very first thing that's going to get the chop is sport. And rightly so. Spectator sport will be sacrificed to get schools open, which is exponentially more important.

And the GAA has lots to answer for here, counties have effectively brought this on themselves. Of all the anti-covid measures I've seen in various businesses, sports has been by far the weakest, particularly when it comes to spectators. Looks at the streams and you see SFA distancing going on.

The behavior is almost like "ah shur there's no one watching us, go on ahead there do what you like" as if the virus itself is in on this nod wink culture.

John O.Groats

kaizersoze wrote: »

It's a safe bet that the NEPHET advice to government today was to shut down all sporting activity but it got watered down in cabinet under pressure from TDs. That's exactly what they will be told if the ACMO accepts their sarcastic invitation to a meeting (which he won't)

The same with the 'wedding' scenario. Kept at 50 to appease the hospitality sector.

That statement from Croke Park is a disgrace. The measures announced today is in response to a growing public health emergency of which GAA, along with other organisations, activities are a casualty. Their response is a sarcastic quip at the medical professionals trying to get to grips with it.

if this article is to be taken at face value it seems not to be the case.

https://go.skimresources.com/?id=61111X1383796&isjs=1&jv=14.2.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D114350005&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fnew-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557&xguid=&xs=1&xtz=-60&xuuid=46fd628ca93489cd4e954a17bf625251&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B2%5D

kaizersoze

John O.Groats wrote: »

if this article is to be taken at face value it seems not to be the case.

https://go.skimresources.com/?id=61111X1383796&isjs=1&jv=14.2.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D114350005&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fnew-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557&xguid=&xs=1&xtz=-60&xuuid=46fd628ca93489cd4e954a17bf625251&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B2%5D

Thanks. Hadn't read that article. If true, it does show a definite watering down of at least some of the ACMOs advice. Mike Ryan, I think it was, of the WHO said a few months back...Medical and public health officials give medical advice and politicians make political decisions. When the 2 start to move in different directions you'll have a problem.

Billy Ocean

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The idea is to reduce the number of mass gatherings. Like it or not, sport is the most discretionary of all the gatherings that take place. Few, if anyone, depend economically if that U11 match takes place or not - so the very first thing that's going to get the chop is sport. And rightly so. Spectator sport will be sacrificed to get schools open, which is exponentially more important.

And the GAA has lots to answer for here, counties have effectively brought this on themselves. Of all the anti-covid measures I've seen in various businesses, sports has been by far the weakest, particularly when it comes to spectators. Looks at the streams and you see SFA distancing going on.

The behavior is almost like "ah shur there's no one watching us, go on ahead there do what you like" as if the virus itself is in on this nod wink culture.

an u11 match might not have economic value to you but it has plenty of wellbeing benefits physical and mental and great for the development of young boys and girls, outdoor sporting activities is probably the safest hobby or pastime outside of your home currently so to almost put a halt to alot of underage activities is unforgivable.

GAA actually done more than most in rural areas during lockdown arranging for cocooning people to be helped with groceries etc.

MrMusician18

Billy Ocean wrote: »

an u11 match might not have economic value to you but it has plenty of wellbeing benefits physical and mental and great for the development of young boys and girls, outdoor sporting activities is probably the safest hobby or pastime outside of your home currently so to almost put a halt to alot of underage activities is unforgivable.

Ah this old chestnut of well-being and development. Rest assured, 6 months of no competitive U11 games will not have any noticeable negative consequences in a few years for any child.

The government have no real room for maneuver. The virus is showing signs that it's going to take off again - the choice boils down to games and leisure activities or schools. Schools will always get priority, and rightly so.

The games CAN wait.

MrMusician18

Billy Ocean wrote: »

GAA actually done more than most in rural areas during lockdown arranging for cocooning people to be helped with groceries etc. That 2nd paragraph of yours is pure gutter

I agree, the GAA clubs have done loads of great work in the community supporting those cocooning. This is fantastic and wholly support that effort. You can though commend this effort but be critical of other things.

But when it's come to organising spectator sport, the process has left a lot to be desired. While this won't be true for all counties of course, but the matches I've seen and indeed attended have had no anti- covid measures beyond limited attendance and sanitizer at the gate. The main problem is the crowding with people congregating on top of one another instead of using the whole ground for space. Spectators seemingly need to be reminded and policed of this need to maintain space which I haven't seen happening.

Perhaps though unfair to single out the GAA as other sports too have had this issue. But the GAA is the one demanding to meet NPHET.

Billy Ocean

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Ah this old chestnut of well-being and development. Rest assured, 6 months of no competitive U11 games will not have any noticeable negative consequences in a few years for any child.

The government have no real room for maneuver. The virus is showing signs that it's going to take off again - the choice boils down to games and leisure activities or schools. Schools will always get priority, and rightly so.

The games CAN wait.

Yes I 100% agree schools should get priority and agree with them reopening but if an outdoor activity in an open area ( remember the 19 times more likely stuff) is deemed a public health issue how can schools be deemed save to reopen, contradictions of the highest order....