Championship and Covid

feargale

Bonniedog wrote: »

What happened to the under 20s?

Someone told me they were due to be played and that Paddy Power had priced the football final up again, but there's no date for it as far as I can see.

Not questioning the status of the women's junior football, but seems odd that those games were held while the male under 20s are in hiatus? Can't see any reason they would not be played.

And definitely not questioning the women's thing as I greatly enjoy the games.

(And underage certainly does not apply to the womens game as anyone familiar with the ages of players will know.)

Only 12 counties contesting women's senior. If that were the only championship allowed alot of counties would be left without an outing.

Bonniedog

feargale wrote: »

Only 12 counties contesting women's senior. If that were the only championship allowed alot of counties would be left without an outing.

What has that to do with not allowing the under 20s to finish?

One doesn't impact the other in any way, nor is either going to make one bit of difference to the virus numbers.

kksaints

Bonniedog wrote: »

What happened to the under 20s?

Someone told me they were due to be played and that Paddy Power had priced the football final up again, but there's no date for it as far as I can see.

Not questioning the status of the women's junior football, but seems odd that those games were held while the male under 20s are in hiatus? Can't see any reason they would not be played.

And definitely not questioning the women's thing as I greatly enjoy the games.

(And underage certainly does not apply to the womens game as anyone familiar with the ages of players will know.)

Probably because the Under-20s isn't the elite level in a county in football. Women's Junior football is the elite level for the counties participating in women's football.

If there's only the final to be played they'll probably play it in sometime early next year once the restrictions on non elite level matches get lifted.

Bonniedog

Women's junior football is not the elite level of the sport.

kksaints

Bonniedog wrote: »

Women's junior football is not the elite level of the sport.

It is for the counties playing it. I'm not entirely sure on the football but for the camoige they removed counties second teams from the Intermediate and Junior Championships.

feargale

Bonniedog wrote: »

Women's junior football is not the elite level of the sport.

Shhhh. Keep that to yourself. You could see Joe McDonagh and Christy Ring cancelled,

recyclebin

So Down are in hot water over a team gathering for a training session. They can call it what they want but it was still a gathering and brings the GAA unto disrepute.

They are probably not the only team at it and the GAA need to come down hard on this thing. It will set the tone for the future split season, where if county teams are told they can't train during club windows then they will be severely punished if they do.

Laois and a few other counties lost home advantage for a league games for breaches of training sessions outside County a few years ago so a precedent has already been set and what Down have done is much much worse.

TCDStudent1

recyclebin wrote: »

So Down are in hot water over a team gathering for a training session. They can call it what they want but it was still a gathering and brings the GAA unto disrepute.

They are probably not the only team at it and the GAA need to come down hard on this thing. It will set the tone for the future split season, where if county teams are told they can't train during club windows then they will be severely punished if they do.

Laois and a few other counties lost home advantage for a league games for breaches of training sessions outside County a few years ago so a precedent has already been set and what Down have done is much much worse.

Cork also

Chivito550

recyclebin wrote: »

So Down are in hot water over a team gathering for a training session. They can call it what they want but it was still a gathering and brings the GAA unto disrepute.

They are probably not the only team at it and the GAA need to come down hard on this thing. It will set the tone for the future split season, where if county teams are told they can't train during club windows then they will be severely punished if they do.

Laois and a few other counties lost home advantage for a league games for breaches of training sessions outside County a few years ago so a precedent has already been set and what Down have done is much much worse.

Down is in Northern Ireland. Can they get off this on some sort of a technicality?

TCDStudent1

Chivito550 wrote: »

Down is in Northern Ireland. Can they get off this on some sort of a technicality?

They are breaching GAA rules rather than general rules around restrictions. GAA rules apply to all members regardless of North or South.

kksaints

Mayo also seem to be in trouble over sneaking backroom staff into the All Ireland final.

John O.Groats

kksaints wrote: »

Mayo also seem to be in trouble over sneaking backroom staff into the All Ireland final.

I thought that was allowed for the All Ireland finals last month.

TCDStudent1

John O.Groats wrote: »

I thought that was allowed for the All Ireland finals last month.

There was a limit on the number allowed in. It was requested for that number to be increased but the request was turned down (cant remember if it was by GAA or government). There have been reports that Mayo exceeded that number. Further details can be found at below link:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/mayo-in-the-dock-as-trios-covert-entry-to-all-ireland-final-is-caught-on-cctv-39945470.html

John O.Groats

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

There was a limit on the number allowed in. It was requested for that number to be increased but the request was turned down (cant remember if it was by GAA or government). There have been reports that Mayo exceeded that number. Further details can be found at below link:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/mayo-in-the-dock-as-trios-covert-entry-to-all-ireland-final-is-caught-on-cctv-39945470.html

OK well in that case it seems that the Mayo team officials did break the rules and need to be sanctioned for it.

recyclebin

Article on Indo also mentions a Leinster football team. Which one is that? Cork and Down named but not the Leinster one.

Dickie10

will we see crowds at inter county championship this summer, i think we wnt see anymore than 500 at the all ireland final if its in july

TCDStudent1

John O.Groats wrote: »

OK well in that case it seems that the Mayo team officials did break the rules and need to be sanctioned for it.

https://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/sport/44171-three-members-of-the-mayo-gaa-backroom-team-suspended


Looks like Mayo have dealt with issue 'internally' which I am not sure is the correct way to address breaches like this.

John O.Groats

Dickie10 wrote: »

will we see crowds at inter county championship this summer, i think we wnt see anymore than 500 at the all ireland final if its in july

If there are they will certainly not be full stadiums. 500 would seem on the low side for Croker for the finals but probably no more than a few thousand.

Boom__Boom

I can't see how Cork, Down and probably Mayo won't avoid an 8 week ban (the 8 week ban is the minimum/could well be more)

[For Mayo I'd imagine their offence will be deemed to be "Misconduct Considered to have Discredited the Association" which is the rule that they have said the collective training issue will be dealt with and seems the best fit for Mayo's offence]

Cork and Down have both admitted that they broke the collective training ban and they have CCTV footage of the Mayo officials, so I don't think there will be any fancy lawyering that will get any of them off.

Collective training: Collective training is where one or more player(s)
is/are required to be at a specific place at a specific time on a specific date.

Depending on what dates the punishment will be applied could have serious impact on Division 2 if some teams are forced to miss league games.

wirelessdude01

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

https://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/sport/44171-three-members-of-the-mayo-gaa-backroom-team-suspended


Looks like Mayo have dealt with issue 'internally' which I am not sure is the correct way to address breaches like this.

Does anyone want to PM me who they were?

recyclebin

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Does anyone want to PM me who they were?

You would have to wonder who they were, and why they are not being named? Are suspensions not made public by the GAA? My guess is it's not an official GAA suspension and Mayo county board are hoping this story will blow over.

I don't think this offence it as serious as what Cork, Down and 'Unnamed Leinster team' were up to though.

irishgeo

recyclebin wrote: »

You would have to wonder who they were, and why they are not being named? Are suspensions not made public by the GAA? My guess is it's not an official GAA suspension and Mayo county board are hoping this story will blow over.

I don't think this offence it as serious as what Cork, Down and 'Unnamed Leinster team' were up to though.

was the club who played a covid positive player in the county final punished?

wirelessdude01

irishgeo wrote: »

was the club who played a covid positive player in the county final punished?

Weren't they stripped of the title?

John O.Groats

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Weren't they stripped of the title?

That was the Dungarvan intermediate football team and yes they were and rightly so.

feargale

A Galway hurler, John Moylan of Beagh got a 48 week ban for failing to comply with Covid regulations. The ban was overturned by the Connacht Hearings Committee,
Coiste Éisteachta Connacht CLG in arriving at this decision "considered all of the points raised by both appellant and decision-maker parties and found that the appellant’s right to a fair hearing was compromised to such an extent that a clear injustice has occurred.”
What I find strange is that the Committee doesn't appear to have explained why it deemed the hearing unfair and compromised.

feargale

feargale wrote: »

A Galway hurler, John Moylan of Beagh got a 48 week ban for failing to comply with Covid regulations. The ban was overturned by the Connacht Hearings Committee,
Coiste Éisteachta Connacht CLG in arriving at this decision "considered all of the points raised by both appellant and decision-maker parties and found that the appellant’s right to a fair hearing was compromised to such an extent that a clear injustice has occurred.”
What I find strange is that the Committee doesn't appear to have explained why it deemed the hearing unfair and compromised.

Sounds like he wasn't given the chance to due process.
In any case, natural justice applies and someone has the right to present their side of the story.

The above seems to signify that might have been overlooked.

feargale

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Sounds like he wasn't given the chance to due process.
In any case, natural justice applies and someone has the right to present their side of the story.

The above seems to signify that might have been overlooked.

What you say may or may not have been the case. I would be amazed if in this day and age a county board wasn't aware that an accused person should be heard.

My point is that the court of appeal should clearly state its reasons, if for no other reason than to demonstrate absence of bias.

puzl

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0109/1188677-daly-teams-that-train-should-get-severe-punishment/

Two interesting points here:

1) Teams should be avoiding group training as per GAA regulations
2) If teams that have broken this ban are tossed out of tournaments then there'll be 2-3 teams left.

Vinnie222

puzl wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0109/1188677-daly-teams-that-train-should-get-severe-punishment/

Two interesting points here:

1) Teams should be avoiding group training as per GAA regulations
2) If teams that have broken this ban are tossed out of tournaments then there'll be 2-3 teams left.

On pt 2 if teams know they are going to get punish they think twice about breaking the rules.
Let's hope that the teams that already broke gaa regulations gets the proper punishment

PTH2009

Let's hope the leagues start the end of Feb. Training won't begin til the first week of Feb now and some teams could be pretty rusty for the first few games

Not a hope of crowds been allowed in and we will get all the games streamed on GAAGO along with TG4/Eir and RTE etc

TCDStudent1

PTH2009 wrote: »

Let's hope the leagues start the end of Feb. Training won't begin til the first week of Feb now and some teams could be pretty rusty for the first few games

Not a hope of crowds been allowed in and we will get all the games streamed on GAAGO along with TG4/Eir and RTE etc

The article from the Independent yesterday suggests they are still a bit 'up in the air'


https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/calls-grow-for-national-league-to-be-scrapped-with-gaa-facing-loss-of-17m-39958651.html

wirelessdude01

Think there is a huge chance that the league's won't happen this year.

PTH2009

Could be a very quite GAA season for 2021, something personally i didn't think would happen

Some intercounty teams will only have 2 games all year if the league is scrapped

roadmaster

PTH2009 wrote: »

Could be a very quite GAA season for 2021, something personally i didn't think would happen

Some intercounty teams will only have 2 games all year if the league is scrapped

I know they want to put club first but could they not play the leagues in late summer when hopefully we will start to emerge from this covid hell and the championship knockout in the winter again. I loved the knockout and watching the Sunday game in winter when there wasn't much on

PTH2009

roadmaster wrote: »

I know they want to put club first but could they not play the leagues in late summer when hopefully we will start to emerge from this covid hell and the championship knockout in the winter again. I loved the knockout and watching the Sunday game in winter when there wasn't much on

Id say there regredding a little bit that they agreed on the intercounty first and club 2nd esp with the way things are after turning out. They want the Club Provincials and All Irelands to happen this time round. Scrapping the National Leagues would be an horrendous decision. Localise all divisions in the Hurling like they did in the football for this year only

Truth is nobody has a clue what will happen this year in all walks of life

TCDStudent1

PTH2009 wrote: »

Id say there regredding a little bit that they agreed on the intercounty first and club 2nd esp with the way things are after turning out. They want the Club Provincials and All Irelands to happen this time round. Scrapping the National Leagues would be an horrendous decision. Localise all divisions in the Hurling like they did in the football for this year only

Truth is nobody has a clue what will happen this year in all walks of life

I think there was logic in their plan though. Level 5 means inter county can actually go ahead. So it made sense to go with that first. Technically, they could actually proceed with the inter county season at the moment. However, it appears they will be restricted with the club scene for some time.

CrabRevolution

I think the GAA organised last year quite well all things considered. I have to give them credit for resisting the temptation to start cramming the calendar full of games when the our Covid prospects looked good; during the summer several people here and in the media were calling for the AI club championships, hurling league knockout stages etc. to be run concurrently with the inter county season and played into January.

How much of a mess would that have been?

rrs

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I think there was logic in their plan though. Level 5 means inter county can actually go ahead. So it made sense to go with that first. Technically, they could actually proceed with the inter county season at the moment. However, it appears they will be restricted with the club scene for some time.

They could proceed but the numbers are higher then they ever were last year. Plus with the new variant from the UK being a lot more transmissible , it's not that easy. The Inter County is deemed elite but they are Amateurs not professionals in a bubble.

TCDStudent1

rrs wrote: »

They could proceed but the numbers are higher then they ever were last year. Plus with the new variant from the UK being a lot more transmissible , it's not that easy. The Inter County is deemed elite but they are Amateurs not professionals in a bubble.

oh I realise that. My point was that scheduling club before county doesn't resolve that issue. I can see why they scheduled it the way they did. Unfortunately, the numbers at the moment make GAA scheduling even more challenging.

dobman88

Yep. The idea of having county before club is its classed as elite and would have significantly less lads out playing. I assume they are hoping things are getting back to normal by the time club season starts in July or August when every player in the country would be out training and playing 3 or 4 times a week.

Saw today that the GAA are possibly pushing the league start out to late March, early April.

But definitely makes sense to have county first in spring which frees up late summer and autumn for club and not another terrible winter championship.

wirelessdude01

dobman88 wrote: »

Yep. The idea of having county before club is its classed as elite and would have significantly less lads out playing. I assume they are hoping things are getting back to normal by the time club season starts in July or August when every player in the country would be out training and playing 3 or 4 times a week.

Saw today that the GAA are possibly pushing the league start out to late March, early April.

But definitely makes sense to have county first in spring which frees up late summer and autumn for club and not another terrible winter championship.

Wonder could we see a further amendment with the league, then club and then a autumn championship? Theory being that they aren't getting any further financial aid from the government to run a championship and as such there is a better chance to have crowds if it is run off later in the year.

dobman88

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Wonder could we see a further amendment with the league, then club and then a autumn championship? Theory being that they aren't getting any further financial aid from the government to run a championship and as such there is a better chance to have crowds if it is run off later in the year.

Not sure. Depends on what level of restrictions are imposed on us and how vaccine rollout is among the general population. I think for club to be back we need to be restriction free and have a good uptake among players. May not have it set up that well for a club summer. Remember we also have competitions that need to be finished from last season and a few weeks training will be required.

The only counties I know about are Kerry and Meath and both have a fair few outstanding finals at all grades in football and hurling.

PTH2009

Could we see the leagues been redrawn, 3 teams a group with it been neighbour counties.

NHL Div 1
Grp A- Waterford, Wexford, Kilkenny
Grp B- Cork, Limerick, Tipp
Grp C- Clare, Galway, Laois
Grp D- Dublin, Antrim,Westmeath

PTH2009

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1192185/

Leagues possibly starting in March now with a whole new master fixture list to be published

Loafing Oaf

Former Carlow manager suggests playing league and championship concurrently to prevent championship being pushed later into the year. Not sure how that would work...

https://extra.ie/2021/01/27/sport/gaa/turlough-obrien-gaa-can-run-all-ireland-and-allianz-league-concurrently

bamayang

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/championship-revamp-to-be-deferred-until-later-in-year-for-special-debate-40034270.html

Is the club/county split season gone off the cards for 2021 now? I know they had said they would push the county season back a month, but is it now a wait and see thing to when is the earliest they can start?


The new championship format with Provisional in Spring and league into All Ireland in Summer sounds a great format IMO.

Coillte_Bhoy

bamayang wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/championship-revamp-to-be-deferred-until-later-in-year-for-special-debate-40034270.html

Is the club/county split season gone off the cards for 2021 now? I know they had said they would push the county season back a month, but is it now a wait and see thing to when is the earliest they can start?


The new championship format with Provisional in Spring and league into All Ireland in Summer sounds a great format IMO.

Can someone explain what exactly this means?

Alternatively, the league would revert to the summer and involve All-Ireland championship play-offs with the provincial championships preceding in spring on a round-robin basis.

PTH2009

Are county teams able to train now ? I'd say its fairly frustrating for the management teams and players waiting around to get the green light by the GAA

wirelessdude01

PTH2009 wrote: »

Are county teams able to train now ? I'd say its fairly frustrating for the management teams and players waiting around to get the green light by the GAA

No.

munster87

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

No.

Are many waiting for a green light I wonder.