Championship and Covid

recyclebin

Not finishing last year's club championships will have big implications for this year's club championship in a number of counties. Relegation and promotion being the biggest issue.

My club lost relegation playoff final so should drop down to intermediate. Intermediate final was played but if the senior is called off does relegation get annulled?

Last year senior championship is still at semi final stage too and 4 teams left in it would love to win it as Portlaoise have been knocked out already.

Lost Ormond

dobman88 wrote: »

I agree that any competition not at the final stage should be forgotten about. But for any where its just a final to be played should be completed imo. It's only affecting 2 teams from that grade so it's not that hard to sort the fixtures out.

Saying that, I honestly dont think we will see any club action this year at all. And if that's the case, obviously everything gets scrapped and we move onto 2022.

Thats the problem. If you say its only 2 teams but that could be hundreds of games nationwide.
Its tough but just move on. You may have a chance to make a final this year. Just have it in the record books if a competition is down to a final that both teams shared the win.

recyclebin wrote: »

Not finishing last year's club championships will have big implications for this year's club championship in a number of counties. Relegation and promotion being the biggest issue.

My club lost relegation playoff final so should drop down to intermediate but the intermediate is not finished so who gets promoted? Fixtures and format for senior championship is based on 16 teams in our county.

Last year senior championship is still at semi final stage too and 4 teams left in it would love to win it as Portlaoise have been knocked out already.

It shouldnt. Competitions if not finished just dont have promotion/relegation. Only have promotion and relegation where all games have been completed so if senior isnt finished and intermediate isnt finished. there is no promotion and relegation for the year.
tough on the sides going well and might be some luck for sides who're struggling but this is unprecedented times. just move on and try get a full 2021 played if possible. trying to catch up on 2020 games and then trying to play 2021 in full is crazy as you what happens if we have games played and we go into lockdown again and we get close to 2022. Do we just keep trying to get everything played?

dobman88

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Thats the problem. If you say its only 2 teams but that could be hundreds of games nationwide.
Its tough but just move on. You may have a chance to make a final this year. Just have it in the record books if a competition is down to a final that both teams shared the win.

Nationwide doesn't come into it. Club teams dont travel nationwide for county comps. What difference does it make to playing 1 extra game in a grade if they go ahead?

And of course we have a chance to make a final this year, we have that chance every year by entering the competition. I'm not sure why you're so staunchly against playing a final. It seems bizarre when it's what every player at every grade puts the effort into. Winning the championship at the grade they play.

ArielAtom

Folks, just to be clear. I never said club championships need to be finished, I used the word want for a specific reason, as Dobman has pointed out he really would like to play a final he and his team mates worked hard to get to. I understand it does not need to be played.

Lost Ormond

dobman88 wrote: »

Nationwide doesn't come into it. Club teams dont travel nationwide for county comps. What difference does it make to playing 1 extra game in a grade if they go ahead?

And of course we have a chance to make a final this year, we have that chance every year by entering the competition. I'm not sure why you're so staunchly against playing a final. It seems bizarre when it's what every player at every grade puts the effort into. Winning the championship at the grade they play.

Because its 1 game replicated multiple times nationwide with club competitions of all grades nationwide to be completed.
Im not doubting any effort put in by players, coaches to get to a final but these are unique times.
Is it tough. The final doesnt need to be played. Just focus on the 2021 season.
A final for 2020 wont be played. Just share the trophy with your other finalists and move on.
We dont know how many games may be able to be played in 2021. Why not try get as many as possible played in this seasons competiton rather than playing this one off game from last year.

recyclebin

I think they should finish out the 2020 championship first. Who's to say that the 2021 one will get started or even finished any way?

There is probably only a couple of 2020 games left to play in each county any way.

cantwbr1

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Thats the problem. If you say its only 2 teams but that could be hundreds of games nationwide.
Its tough but just move on. You may have a chance to make a final this year. Just have it in the record books if a competition is down to a final that both teams shared the win.

While there is a logic to the above the knock on impact could be huge (purely local GAA impact)

The Lower Intermediate final in Cork was fixed for the Friday after everything shut down last year. The loser of that match stays Let Int and has one more chance to get promoted before the whole grade is relegated to Junior.
Of the two clubs, one was promoted in 2019 so is potentially facing almost immediate relegation. The other seems to finally have gotten its act together having toyed with relegation for the last few years.
In both situations failing to play the final is a bit of an injustice.

In the grand scheme of things small issues but a big deal for two small clubs

dobman88

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Because its 1 game replicated multiple times nationwide with club competitions of all grades nationwide to be completed.
Im not doubting any effort put in by players, coaches to get to a final but these are unique times.
Is it tough. The final doesnt need to be played. Just focus on the 2021 season.
A final for 2020 wont be played. Just share the trophy with your other finalists and move on.
We dont know how many games may be able to be played in 2021. Why not try get as many as possible played in this seasons competiton rather than playing this one off game from last year.

There is no guarantee we even get to play any football this year. And if we do it makes far more sense to finish competitions. If we start new ones, they may not even get finished. Doesnt make sense. Finish the ones from last year, just the ones where a final is to be played. And then crack on with the new season.

dobman88

Lost Ormond. By any chance is your team/club facing a relegation play off which is why you dont want 2020 competitions completed? :pac:

Lost Ormond

cantwbr1 wrote: »

While there is a logic to the above the knock on impact could be huge (purely local GAA impact)

The Lower Intermediate final in Cork was fixed for the Friday after everything shut down last year. The loser of that match stays Let Int and has one more chance to get promoted before the whole grade is relegated to Junior.
Of the two clubs, one was promoted in 2019 so is potentially facing almost immediate relegation. The other seems to finally have gotten its act together having toyed with relegation for the last few years.
In both situations failing to play the final is a bit of an injustice.

In the grand scheme of things small issues but a big deal for two small clubs

It may be big deal for clubs but its a price they will have to play. Look at the rugby clubs. 19/20 season was very nearly completed and it was declared null and void. No promotion and no relegation and its the same this season.
Playing the final in that case isnt an injustice. Its just the way things have to be. It makes no sense to play some of these games. Is it tough on some clubs yes but you have to be. You cant allow some games and not others.
And you cant hold back competitions from starting up to play these games. Just start afresh with all teams in the divisions/level they were competing before covid struck and start new years competitions.

Lost Ormond

dobman88 wrote: »

Lost Ormond. By any chance is your team/club facing a relegation play off which is why you dont want 2020 competitions completed? :pac:

My club lost their relegation playoff. It got played when games were able be played.
I just think you shouldnt have to play these games. Just move on. If relegation was decided in a competition and the level below had a winner. Allow the promotion and relegation and if competitions were not complete either no side had been decided as relegation playoffs not finished or county championship not finished then just move on to the 2021 competition.
Tough on some sides and very lucky for others but its fair to all.

dobman88

Lost Ormond wrote: »

My club lost their relegation playoff. It got played when games were able be played.
I just think you shouldnt have to play these games. Just move on. If relegation was decided in a competition and the level below had a winner. Allow the promotion and relegation and if competitions were not complete either no side had been decided as relegation playoffs not finished or county championship not finished then just move on to the 2021 competition.
Tough on some sides and very lucky for others but its fair to all.

If it's tough on some and lucky for others, how is it fair for all?

Lost Ormond

dobman88 wrote: »

If it's tough on some and lucky for others, how is it fair for all?

Its tough but fair.
You cant just complete every competition and wait to finish others. Move on. It means a lot to those involved but they will still have a shot at promotion or redemption. or simply just remove promotion and relegation for the 2021 competitons. Just play leagues and get people back playing. No promotion or relegation means if games are stopped again then no worries but at least people will still have been playing games.
Thats what IRFU did what their leagues this season. All clubs knew from start that league wasnt going to have promotion or relegation

dobman88

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Its tough but fair.
You cant just complete every competition and wait to finish others. Move on. It means a lot to those involved but they will still have a shot at promotion or redemption. or simply just remove promotion and relegation for the 2021 competitons. Just play leagues and get people back playing. No promotion or relegation means if games are stopped again then no worries but at least people will still have been playing games.
Thats what IRFU did what their leagues this season. All clubs knew from start that league wasnt going to have promotion or relegation

I think we will have to file this under agree to disagree because what you're saying makes absolutely no sense to me and I dont see the point going round in circles.

cantwbr1

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Its tough but fair.
You cant just complete every competition and wait to finish others. Move on. It means a lot to those involved but they will still have a shot at promotion or redemption. or simply just remove promotion and relegation for the 2021 competitons. Just play leagues and get people back playing. No promotion or relegation means if games are stopped again then no worries but at least people will still have been playing games.
Thats what IRFU did what their leagues this season. All clubs knew from start that league wasnt going to have promotion or relegation

I don’t think that a blanket one size fits all is appropriate for the club competitions.
If there are 3 or 4 rounds left canceling is ok. Where there is only the final left it makes sense to play it and it should be relatively straight forward to accommodate.

I do admit that I am biased as my club is one of the finalists in the Cork Lwr Int final.
I may be a bit more meh otherwise ðŸ˜

Lost Ormond

cantwbr1 wrote: »

I don’t think that a blanket one size fits all is appropriate for the club competitions.
If there are 3 or 4 rounds left canceling is ok. Where there is only the final left it makes sense to play it and it should be relatively straight forward to accommodate.

I do admit that I am biased as my club is one of the finalists in the Cork Lwr Int final.
I may be a bit more meh otherwise ðŸ˜

I think there is because you will find people who will then try extend it to semi finals saying sure its only 3 games then people will try extend it to quarters and on and on.

blowitupref

thelad95 wrote: »

There was higher cases in January alone than the entirety of 2020. The landscape changed dramatically since November. .

If we had tested as many in April as January the case loads would be simliar. As I said the case numbers will likely be lower in March than October/November. (simliar loads tested) Also most if not all of the care home, over 80s and those underlying conditions fully vaccinated making the landscape indeed dramatically different.

rrs

blowitupref wrote: »

If we had tested as many in April as January the case loads would be simliar. As I said the case numbers will likely be lower in March than October/November. (simliar loads tested) Also most if not all of the care home, over 80s and those underlying conditions fully vaccinated making the landscape indeed dramatically different.

The GAA themselves didn't want a return https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/315586

The vaccine roll out is slow as a snail. By May when over 70s have both jabs https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/over-70s-to-receive-both-doses-of-vaccine-by-mid-may-health-minister-says-1079642.html

Always_Running

rrs wrote: »

The GAA themselves didn't want a return https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/315586

The vaccine roll out is slow as a snail. By May when over 70s have both jabs https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/over-70s-to-receive-both-doses-of-vaccine-by-mid-may-health-minister-says-1079642.html

Appetite would soon rise if the government provide the funding that is required. Full vaccination of those in care homes and over 80s by end of March will make a big difference. 65% of our deaths so far have been them.

dobman88

Always_Running wrote: »

Appetite would soon rise if the government provide the funding that is required. Full vaccination of those in care homes and over 80s by end of March will make a big difference. 65% of our deaths so far have been them.

The original target of March has been pushed out to mid May unfortunately.

Always_Running

dobman88 wrote: »

The original target of March has been pushed out to mid May unfortunately.

That's for over 70s. I believe over 80s and those in care homes to be vaccinated is still on track.

dobman88

Always_Running wrote: »

That's for over 70s. I believe over 80s and those in care homes to be vaccinated is still on track.

I haven't seen that but hope you're right. All I've seen mentioned is over 70s and they seem happy to have some kind of lockdown/restrictions until that happens

rrs

Always_Running wrote: »

That's for over 70s. I believe over 80s and those in care homes to be vaccinated is still on track.

Fergal Bowers has a graph of it on Twitter @FergalBowers . 154,900 got the first jab. 88,453 got the second jab so far.


They are vaccinating just over 1,000 per day. The country is getting average of 1 thousand cases a day.

PTH2009

very frustrating what's going on, the GAA was one of the bright things that helped in the last lockdown

It's scary what's going on in the country atm and there's no light at the end of the tunnel for some time because of incompetence by our leaders but no its retail and hospitality fault.

Always_Running

rrs wrote: »

Fergal Bowers has a graph of it on Twitter @FergalBowers . 154,900 got the first jab. 88,453 got the second jab so far.


They are vaccinating just over 1,000 per day. The country is getting average of 1 thousand cases a day.

879 is the 7 day average on cases. We'll see where we are on vaccinating situation by the end of next month.

PTH2009

Always_Running wrote: »

879 is the 7 day average on cases. We'll see where we are on vaccinating situation by the end of next month.

Not very far

Big Ears

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Thats the problem. If you say its only 2 teams but that could be hundreds of games nationwide.
Its tough but just move on. You may have a chance to make a final this year. Just have it in the record books if a competition is down to a final that both teams shared the win.

If it's that dangerous to play those "hundreds of games", then the question is really is it safe to return to play at all ?

Playoff any finals that are left, and if any board is insistant on playing off semi-finals finals too, ensure the whole lot is done in the space of a week.
That won't take too big a chunk out of this year's calender.

Not finishing Championships from last year would put a lot of players off bothering to play this year too, feeling the same will happen okay.

Lost Ormond

Big Ears wrote: »

If it's that dangerous to play those "hundreds of games", then the question is really is it safe to return to play at all ?

Playoff any finals that are left, and if any board is insistant on playing off semi-finals finals too, ensure the whole lot is done in the space of a week.
That won't take too big a chunk out of this year's calender.

Not finishing Championships from last year would put a lot of players off bothering to play this year too, feeling the same will happen okay.

Im not saying its dangerous to play these games. I dont see why not finishing these competitions would put players off from playing this year.
Look at what rugby did. They didnt complete leagues last march and there were teams who were almost certainly promoted or promoted already in cases and those promotions didnt happen and it didnt result in large numbers not returning to play for this season.
The problem is if you say we'll just play these finals. Some will say lets play these semis and then its quarters. sure its only 2/6 extra games.

Just accept last year is concluded. we are 6 weeks into 2021. Last year was unique. Finish with it. Move on and just concentrate on the new year.

ArmaniJeanss

cantwbr1 wrote: »

I don’t think that a blanket one size fits all is appropriate for the club competitions.
If there are 3 or 4 rounds left canceling is ok. Where there is only the final left it makes sense to play it and it should be relatively straight forward to accommodate.

I do admit that I am biased as my club is one of the finalists in the Cork Lwr Int final.

What if the other semi-final hasn't been played yet, with you already qualified for the final? Would you like that semi-final to be played?

CrabRevolution

dobman88 wrote: »

Lost Ormond. By any chance is your team/club facing a relegation play off which is why you dont want 2020 competitions completed? :pac:

Reminds me of how coincidentally a huge number of Man United fans were very insistent on having the Premier League declared null and void back in March and April!

Lost Ormond

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Reminds me of how coincidentally a huge number of Man United fans were very insistent on having the Premier League declared null and void back in March and April!

If you read a later post of mine i said my club was relegated last year.
Its ridiculous to try play these finals etc from 2020 now. Just move on. Is it tough maybe is it fair maybe not.

Last year was unprecedented but we shouldnt hold up everything in so many competitions to finish off a few competitions. Just move on. Life isnt always fair.

CrabRevolution

Lost Ormond wrote: »

If you read a later post of mine i said my club was relegated last year.
Its ridiculous to try play these finals etc from 2020 now. Just move on. Is it tough maybe is it fair maybe not.

Last year was unprecedented but we shouldnt hold up everything in so many competitions to finish off a few competitions. Just move on. Life isnt always fair.

Without wanting to go full Big Lebowski; that's just your opinion.

A hell of lot of people would love to see the competitions completed, not least the clubs themselves plus county competition organisers. A large number of counties have a single weekend's worth of games left to play, I really can't see what the cost would be in holding these finals as soon as club activity resumes. Holding up 2021s competitions by a week is a negligable price to pay.

You're not really presenting any logical reasons for abandoning these competitions, other than repeatedly saying to get over it and deal with it, which aren't really arguments.

dobman88

Lost Ormond wrote: »

If you read a later post of mine i said my club was relegated last year.
Its ridiculous to try play these finals etc from 2020 now. Just move on. Is it tough maybe is it fair maybe not.

Last year was unprecedented but we shouldnt hold up everything in so many competitions to finish off a few competitions. Just move on. Life isnt always fair.

Nothing would be held up. Theyd be played a week or 2 before the game start in new season. It means the teams playing in the final would have a week less prep before a game which none of them would complain about

dobman88

Lost Ormond wrote: »

is it fair maybe not.

Just move on. Life isnt always fair.

You said yesterday it was fair for all. Now it's not fair. Which is it?

Lost Ormond

dobman88 wrote: »

You said yesterday it was fair for all. Now it's not fair. Which is it?

I think you need to move on from 2020. It was a unique year. We cant just always complete competitions going months and months into the new year. It puts no incentive to organisers or clubs to work harder or better to complete competitions more efficiently.
At what stage of a competition do we stay stop it and it ends up incomplete for the year and what stage do you finish competitions?
I dont see why finals should be played when the most important thing is getting people back playing and holding up return of all competitions to play off these finals is a load of nonsense.

CrabRevolution

Lost Ormond wrote: »

I think you need to move on from 2020. It was a unique year. We cant just always complete competitions going months and months into the new year. It puts no incentive to organisers or clubs to work harder or better to complete competitions more efficiently.
At what stage of a competition do we stay stop it and it ends up incomplete for the year and what stage do you finish competitions?
I dont see why finals should be played when the most important thing is getting people back playing and holding up return of all competitions to play off these finals is a load of nonsense.

You really think that if we play 2020 finals in 2021 it'll start a precedent of counties giving up on competition control en masse and starting to let competitions run months over schedule? That's pretty desperate straw grasping.

Say competitive Club GAA action (hypothetically) resumes on the first weekend of July. What are the downsides of us in Meath playing our 2020 hurling finals that weekend, and then starting our 2021 championships the following week?

Big Ears

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Im not saying its dangerous to play these games. I dont see why not finishing these competitions would put players off from playing this year.
Look at what rugby did. They didnt complete leagues last march and there were teams who were almost certainly promoted or promoted already in cases and those promotions didnt happen and it didnt result in large numbers not returning to play for this season.

The problem is if you say we'll just play these finals. Some will say lets play these semis and then its quarters. sure its only 2/6 extra games.

Just accept last year is concluded. we are 6 weeks into 2021. Last year was unique. Finish with it. Move on and just concentrate on the new year.

Most players are looking/hoping to win a Championship. There's plenty of people out there who won't be bothered if they feel (due to Championships not finishing) that, that's not a realistic proposition.
Rugby returned at a time when numbers were low, and players probably expected they'd be able to finish their season out.
If you told them at the start, no one will be winning any competitions of any kind this year, you might have seen a much bigger drop off.

I doubt there's many compeitions still with quarter finals to play.
Loads of Counties are finished, a lot still have County finals still to play, and a few have semi's left. There might be a couple with quarters left, but I personally don't actually know of any other than Mayo, but perhaps you could hihglight a few more ?

Lost Ormond wrote: »

I think you need to move on from 2020. It was a unique year. We cant just always complete competitions going months and months into the new year. It puts no incentive to organisers or clubs to work harder or better to complete competitions more efficiently.
At what stage of a competition do we stay stop it and it ends up incomplete for the year and what stage do you finish competitions?
I dont see why finals should be played when the most important thing is getting people back playing and holding up return of all competitions to play off these finals is a load of nonsense.

The vast majority of competitions could be finished in a single week (even 1 day for many). It would be expected that teams will get a couple of friendly games before they play Championship this year.
Instead of those clubs playing friendlies why can't they just finish out those Championship matches instead ?
It'll be the same amount of games in a similar timeframe, you won't be holding anyone back.

rrs

What's the reason that a lot weren't finished? Obviously some clubs might have had covid cases which would have delayed things like in Longford.. Kildare was in lockdown for a few weeks around August
Some counties with probaly poor planning? They knew there was a short enough window from July to September/October for club football . Inter County was starting in October

Lost Ormond

Big Ears wrote: »

Most players are looking/hoping to win a Championship. There's plenty of people out there who won't be bothered if they feel (due to Championships not finishing) that, that's not a realistic proposition.
Rugby returned at a time when numbers were low, and players probably expected they'd be able to finish their season out.
If you told them at the start, no one will be winning any competitions of any kind this year, you might have seen a much bigger drop off.

I dont think many did and it was expected there would be future disruptions. The AIL is normally an 18 game season and it was changed to a 9 game season with an extended provincial league and there were still large expectation that the season wouldnt be complete.
People knew it would be like last season. Players also knew that there wasnt going to be any promotion or relegation from before the leagues started and while there was grumblings about it there wasnt any drop off in playing numbers because of it. In fact when rugby returned a lot of clubs saw a decent jump in numbers training and preparing for the season.

Big Ears

Lost Ormond wrote: »

I dont think many did and it was expected there would be future disruptions. The AIL is normally an 18 game season and it was changed to a 9 game season with an extended provincial league and there were still large expectation that the season wouldnt be complete.
People knew it would be like last season. Players also knew that there wasnt going to be any promotion or relegation from before the leagues started and while there was grumblings about it there wasnt any drop off in playing numbers because of it. In fact when rugby returned a lot of clubs saw a decent jump in numbers training and preparing for the season.

I do know of rugby players who weren't bothered going back, but that is purely anecdotal, and without statistics for it, I'll take your word playing numbers were increased. Perhaps a post lockdown bounce like the Gaa got.

However you didn't address the other part of my post.
Why would you be so against 2020 finals/semi-finals being played instead of Challenge games leading into this year's Championship, if it'll take the same amount of time ?

Lost Ormond

Big Ears wrote: »

I do know of rugby players who weren't bothered going back, but that is purely anecdotal, and without statistics for it, I'll take your word playing numbers were increased. Perhaps a post lockdown bounce like the Gaa got.

However you didn't address the other part of my post.
Why would you be so against 2020 finals/semi-finals being played instead of Challenge games leading into this year's Championship, if it'll take the same amount of time ?

Because it isnt necessary to play them. You are comparing them to friendlies played as warm up to the next years competition. How is that doing the competitions any justice?
How does that do the final, the teams, the competition any justice if theyre playing the games months and months after they played the semi finals with little to no games or much training done before it.
Just share the titles where teams are at a final and both get recognised for the success in a year with so much disruption and move on to the new years competition

Big Ears

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Because it isnt necessary to play them. You are comparing them to friendlies played as warm up to the next years competition. How is that doing the competitions any justice?
How does that do the final, the teams, the competition any justice if theyre playing the games months and months after they played the semi finals with little to no games or much training done before it.
Just share the titles where teams are at a final and both get recognised for the success in a year with so much disruption and move on to the new years competition

It's not necessary to play anything (including 2021 games), however the people involved want them played and they'll much prefer they played on short notice with inadequate training than not at all.
Do you honestly believe those involved would rather share titles (and neither receive promotion if that was a possibility) than one of them actually win it in a game ?
If you're suggesting promoting two teams btw, that'd cause even more disruption to next years fixtures.

It's nothing new to play Championship games months apart btw. It frequently happens in many counties due to the Inter-County season, and clubs participating in the Provicincial and all Ireland series.
My own club managed 5 challenge games before Championship this year.
Teams participating in a County-Final would probably pull that back to 2-3 to reduce the chance of fatigue going into the game, but they'd still have a level of preparation going in.
I'm not comparing them to friendlies at all either, they're far more important than that, but if people are concerned about it affecting the 2021 season, they have to be played off before that starts, so everything sticks to schedule.
Replacing the last challenge game or two with the last couple of games of last years schedule is the answer there.

dobman88

rrs wrote: »

What's the reason that a lot weren't finished? Obviously some clubs might have had covid cases which would have delayed things like in Longford.. Kildare was in lockdown for a few weeks around August
Some counties with probaly poor planning? They knew there was a short enough window from July to September/October for club football . Inter County was starting in October

I play at low junior level in Meath and everything was on track for us but they switched the football and hurling weekend midway through which left us running a week behind schedule. We won our semi final on the Friday with the final due the following weekend, cessation of games was announced on the Monday. Sick timing considering we would have played the final that weekend had the weekends stayed the same throughout.

So yeah, poor planning it.seems.

dobman88

Lost Ormond wrote: »

I think you need to move on from 2020. It was a unique year. We cant just always complete competitions going months and months into the new year. It puts no incentive to organisers or clubs to work harder or better to complete competitions more efficiently.
At what stage of a competition do we stay stop it and it ends up incomplete for the year and what stage do you finish competitions?
I dont see why finals should be played when the most important thing is getting people back playing and holding up return of all competitions to play off these finals is a load of nonsense.

You seem to have ignored the post where I mentioned nothing would be held up. The teams in the finals would have a week less to prepare for the new season as they would play the final a week before it starts.

Cancel any competition that is not at the final stage.

When everyone disagrees with you, it's usually a sign you might be slightly wrong.

Ray Donovan

rrs wrote: »

What's the reason that a lot weren't finished? Obviously some clubs might have had covid cases which would have delayed things like in Longford.. Kildare was in lockdown for a few weeks around August
Some counties with probaly poor planning? They knew there was a short enough window from July to September/October for club football . Inter County was starting in October[/QUOTE

In Offaly the season went football weekend, hurling weekend etc.

In each code there was as 2 groups of 4, so 3 group games, semi finals, final. 10 weekends needed in all to complete both codes. However Offaly was put into a 2 week lockdown mid season which paused the championships. So 12 weekends were actually needed and we only got 11 so resultantly the football final got played and the hurling one didn’t.

And obviously a few championship further down the grades weren’t played.

Hammer Archer

I think the reason why the GAA weren't too pushed on starting this season has been revealed:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0216/1197433-gaa-suffers-34m-loss-despite-government-support/
There's no way they'd be able to sustain similar losses this year.

As for the ongoing championships from last year, I don't see why those at the final stages can't be completed. I know in Meath, my own club would be livid if it was cancelled as we're in the senior and junior hurling finals, looking to win our first senior hurling title in nearly 60 years and looking to do the senior hurling and football double. There should be no issue in completing finals in one weekend before the new season starts, whenever that is.
Championships that still have a number of rounds to play I can understand voiding them.

ArmaniJeanss

Hammer Archer wrote: »

As for the ongoing championships from last year, I don't see why those at the final stages can't be completed. I know in Meath, my own club would be livid if it was cancelled as we're in the senior and junior hurling finals, looking to win our first senior hurling title in nearly 60 years and looking to do the senior hurling and football double. There should be no issue in completing finals in one weekend before the new season starts, whenever that is.
Championships that still have a number of rounds to play I can understand voiding them.

What if the other half of the draw is still at the semi-final stage though? You are in your first final in 60 years but the opposition hasn't been decided yet. It would seem incredibly harsh for that to be cancelled on you.
Sure it can be ran in just two weekends!
(You know where this leads)

wirelessdude01

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

What if the other half of the draw is still at the semi-final stage though? You are in your first final in 60 years but the opposition hasn't been decided yet. It would seem incredibly harsh for that to be cancelled on you.
Sure it can be ran in just two weekends!
(You know where this leads)

Ahh sure it's at the quarter final stage. Just three weekends. Then there is an outbreak in one of the clubs and everything is put on hold again!!!!

I can see the case where it is a straight final for the game to be played. Winner decided on the day scenario. Outbreak in one of the clubs the week of the game results in the game being awarded to the other side with no giving out or arguments would have to be case.

Lost Ormond

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I think the reason why the GAA weren't too pushed on starting this season has been revealed:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0216/1197433-gaa-suffers-34m-loss-despite-government-support/
There's no way they'd be able to sustain similar losses this year.

As for the ongoing championships from last year, I don't see why those at the final stages can't be completed. I know in Meath, my own club would be livid if it was cancelled as we're in the senior and junior hurling finals, looking to win our first senior hurling title in nearly 60 years and looking to do the senior hurling and football double. There should be no issue in completing finals in one weekend before the new season starts, whenever that is.
Championships that still have a number of rounds to play I can understand voiding them.

Because you then will have people going. If one team was in a final and there was just a semi final to be played and then its just a semi final and a final so 2 games in total and then its 2 semis and a final to be played etc etc.

Easier and better to just say that the competitions for 2020 will be incomplete. If a competition hasnt reached the final then nobody is declared winner for 2020. If 2 teams have reached a final and it wasnt played then just share the trophy
It might be tough on some clubs but thats life. These are unprecedented times. Think its far better to just move on with 2021 competitions

Dickie10

madness .all finals from 2020 will be played in 21 sure that happens all the time well before covid. no way any club should let that happen.