How much do you miss the pub?

El_Duderino 09

Dickie10 wrote: »

surely the need to social distance will peter out when numbers of cases drop to say 20? how on earth can life go on if we are social distancing. like if you got rid of the mandatory social distancing and leave it optional for people would it not solve all these problems?

What do you mean 20? 20 deaths per day? 20 confirmed cases per day? 20 people in the whole country who still have the disease?

And if we get to 20 cases and people stop social distancing, what will happen to the number of people who have it?

Dickie10

how long will social distancing be in place ? is it until vaccine? like we all know it will go out the window in phase 4 maybe earlier.like how do you get people to work on luas or bus?

PTH2009

Dickie10 wrote: »

how long will social distancing be in place ? is it until vaccine? like we all know it will go out the window in phase 4 maybe earlier.like how do you get people to work on luas or bus?

yeah hopefully it will be out the window

Pubs among other things are unadaptable to social distancing no matter what way they try to adapt. Those faracial rules suggested by the VF a few weeks back are a non runner imo

Seems to be an air of optimism since phase 1 started today

RollieFingers

Not in the slightest, won't be back.

El_Duderino 09

Dickie10 wrote: »

how long will social distancing be in place ? is it until vaccine? like we all know it will go out the window in phase 4 maybe earlier.like how do you get people to work on luas or bus?

It's difficult to distance in a full LUAS and it means a full LUAS is a dangerous place and should be avoided by anyone who doesn't absolutely need it to get to and from work.

I suppose the difference is that getting people to and from work is necessary where going to the pub isn't necessary. Would you agree that getting people to and from from is more important than going to the pub?

El_Duderino 09

PTH2009 wrote: »

yeah hopefully it will be out the window

Pubs among other things are unadaptable to social distancing no matter what way they try to adapt. Those faracial rules suggested by the VF a few weeks back are a non runner imo

Seems to be an air of optimism since phase 1 started today

If that's the case and pubs aren't adaptable and distancing will go "out the window", do you agree that they shouldn't open until distancing doesn't matter anymore?

Level 42

going back to the question oh ya I miss the fcuk out of the pub the pints the craic the music

AdamD

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If that's the case and pubs aren't adaptable and distancing will go "out the window", do you agree that they shouldn't open until distancing doesn't matter anymore?

if we closed every pub in the country until we have a vaccine - virtually all would be out of business permanently and we'd have 100k unemployed

c.p.w.g.w

I don't frequent the pub all that regularly...But i do miss a few pints of Guinness with the brothers in Myles Breen's when we catch up

PTH2009

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If that's the case and pubs aren't adaptable and distancing will go "out the window", do you agree that they shouldn't open until distancing doesn't matter anymore?

tough question and hard to answer

Its up to the owner of the pub i imagine and if they can actually do it

If they bring in a 'locals only' policy it could be hard to enforce. Many people nowadays dont have a local and would often pub crawl (myself included)

The days of going for a sponstaneous pint are gone til a vaccine/medacation

opinionated3

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's difficult to distance in a full LUAS and it means a full LUAS is a dangerous place and should be avoided by anyone who doesn't absolutely need it to get to and from work.

I suppose the difference is that getting people to and from work is necessary where going to the pub isn't necessary. Would you agree that getting people to and from from is more important than going to the pub?

Whether it's necessary or not, surely the point is that there is a risk of picking up the virus'either way? So going by logic ANY place or crowded mode of transportation should be targeted for shutting down? That's just not going to happen. I work in a factory and I see people ignoring or simply forgetting social distance protocols every day. At this stage I'd actually feel pretty safe in my small local, having a quiet pint and a chat with the same few persons that's I've socialised once or twice a week with for the last 21 years.

El_Duderino 09

AdamD wrote: »

if we closed every pub in the country until we have a vaccine - virtually all would be out of business permanently and we'd have 100k unemployed

There would still be a market for pubs when they reopen. Most if not all of those jobs would be created again.

Do you see how that would work and that 100k unemployed is not really true at all? (Asuming there are 100k people employed in the wider pub trade)

El_Duderino 09

opinionated3 wrote: »

Whether it's necessary or not, surely the point is that there is a risk of picking up the virus'either way? So going by logic ANY place or crowded mode of transportation should be targeted for shutting down? That's just not going to happen. I work in a factory and I see people ignoring or simply forgetting social distance protocols every day. At this stage I'd actually feel pretty safe in my small local, having a quiet pint and a chat with the same few persons that's I've socialised once or twice a week with for the last 21 years.

Ah no, the fact that it's necessary does matter. Someone made the same point as this yesterday and they even extended it to hospitals! Lol.

Its Important to be realistic. It's a matter of managing risk vs reward. Hospitals are risky places (they actually very risky when you consider the number of health workers who have gotten the disease) but they're also necessary.

But it's clear to anyone that some things are more necessary than others. Why would you need this explained to you? Are you pretending not to be able to understand it by yourself or is it genuine?

El_Duderino 09

PTH2009 wrote: »

tough question and hard to answer

Its up to the owner of the pub i imagine and if they can actually do it

If they bring in a 'locals only' policy it could be hard to enforce. Many people nowadays dont have a local and would often pub crawl (myself included)

The days of going for a sponstaneous pint are gone til a vaccine/medacation

Why should it be up to the pub owner to decide? Shouldn't there be a more independent way of judging if pubs can adapt to distancing?

Utopia Parkway

Social distancing won't work in a pub environment. Or I should say it will work for a while but things will eventually just return to normal. Especially if the numbers keep dropping as they seem to be in most places now. People will just go "feck it anyway" and move over to chat with someone at the bar or at another table.. Are the bar staff really going to shout over at them to get back? Not likely.

They'll be an attempt at social distancing for a while. People will put up with it. And then they'll just get sick of it and start moving around and it'll be enforced less and less.

jonnny68

Roll on June 29th restaurant and a rake of pints:)

JoeLapira

At the end of the day the pubs deserve the chance to open, just like every other business. Whether or not social distancing can be maintained is up to the business themselves and the customers.

I really missed the once/twice a week visit to the pub at the start, it began to fade over time but I'd love a pint again now.

saabsaab

If they can adapt then they can open, many could with a little effort if not, then no.


I wonder how many are secretly open to a few regulars?

briany

I think the problem with reopening the pubs in any kind of general way is that it could be like Black Friday crossed with Paddy's Day for the first few weekends where you'd have people treating beer out of a tap with the same reverence that a man dying of thirst in the desert gives to an oasis. Social distancing be damned. It'd be unenforceable.

So because pubs are really an all or nothing thing, it'd be far better to see how the intermediate stage goes, whereby people are officially allowed to be visiting friends and relatives in their homes, and then moving on to larger social scenarios like gyms where people are mixing but in a sober state of mind. And if the numbers hold fairly steady through all of that, then open the pubs by all means.

gauchesnell

totally agree - let us back into our offices and other businesses open first. Even see how restaurants work.

My local cafe reopened today - great to see them open but jeepers it looked grim. So many barriers and shields !!!

nozzferrahhtoo

Local beer Garden reopened here in Germany today. Prost!

AdamD

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

There would still be a market for pubs when they reopen. Most if not all of those jobs would be created again.

Do you see how that would work and that 100k unemployed is not really true at all? (Asuming there are 100k people employed in the wider pub trade)

Sorry, if social distancing means less than 50% capacity, there isn't a hope in hell you maintain the same number of employees. Most pubs wouldn't even be viable at those levels of business.

El_Duderino 09

AdamD wrote: »

Sorry, if social distancing means less than 50% capacity, there isn't a hope in hell you maintain the same number of employees. Most pubs wouldn't even be viable at those levels of business.

You said if we wait until a vaccine to open pubs then we lose 100k jobs. But if we have a vaccine then there probably isn't need for social distancing.

Of pubs open this year then they will need distancing because we're not likely to have a vaccine this year. It's not anyone's fault if people lose their jobs due to distancing. Distancing is necessary to prevent the virus spreading and getting the "second wave". But yes, distancing will decrease capacity for any business - it might also increase costs for pubs as they'll need to provide table service. Them's some of the necessary conditions for reopening.

I really feel posters are pretending not to get the issues because the reality really doesn't suit the conclusion that we should open pubs. Posters pretending not to understand that pubs will need distancing. Pretending not to understand why hospitals and supermarkets and public transport are more necessary than pubs. It's a bit shameful to watch people pretend not to understand the issue.

saabsaab

Claire Byrne on RTE1 discussing this now.

Ferris_Bueller

On Claire Byrne live they are showing an example of how the pubs might look when they re-open with social distancing. Not sure if anyone is watching it, but surely they don't expect every single person in the pub to stay 2m apart do they? I thought it would be small groups of up to 4 or 6 at the one table and then you will have to distance from the other groups. If what they are showing on telly is reality I can't see it working whatsoever.

Utopia Parkway

saabsaab wrote: »

Claire Byrne on RTE1 discussing this now.

Looks awful grim. More a doctor's waiting room vibe than a pub.

stephenjmcd

saabsaab wrote: »

Claire Byrne on RTE1 discussing this now.

The Claire Byrne show is a complete joke as it is. Even the section before it on hairdressing was laughable.

Same faces on it all the time.

The one thing I agree with was said by Ciara Kelly I dont think people actually realise how conservative and far behind other countries we actually are.

Just look at other countries and how they're doing things. It's not rocket science but seems to be here.

ChikiChiki

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

On Claire Byrne live they are showing an example of how the pubs might look when they re-open with social distancing. Not sure if anyone is watching it, but surely they don't expect every single person in the pub to stay 2m apart do they? I thought it would be small groups of up to 4 or 6 at the one table and then you will have to distance from the other groups. If what they are showing on telly is reality I can't see it working whatsoever.

Overly cautious that representation. Don't know why they bothered with it. A pub wouldn't even open in that case.

Groups of 4 need to be allowed sit together for the pub to at least survive.

gauchesnell

I thought it was accurate and the publican was quite good

It was said that people in the same household wouldnt have to be 2m apart.

Looked grim but accurate. They were all seperated cos they were from different households

Ferris_Bueller

gauchesnell wrote: »

I thought it was accurate and the publican was quite good

It was said that people in the same household wouldnt have to be 2m apart.

Looked grim but accurate. They were all seperated cos they were from different households

The publican couldn't even keep his mask on for a full sentence. If you are only allowed to sit with people from your own house I can't see why most people would bother leaving their house in the first place.

alentejo

Would a 1 meter rule help pubs. Denmark would appear to be going this way

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-11/denmark-cuts-distancing-rule-in-major-step-to-end-lockdown

gauchesnell

I think thats the concern. My parents are publicans and so they are looking at stuff like this. Huge challenge. In our home pub it would be mostly gents on their own meeting locals.

1m would help

its a different look though

Difficult to manage and as the publican said how do you socially distance someone out of the pub when they break the rules.

drunkmonkey

Didn't agree with Mrs Kelly, eradication is what we should do, pubs can open as normal then. Less tourists but at least we don't have to put up with this crap for much longer.

gauchesnell

I assume you mean eradication of Cov 19 - hopefully

drunkmonkey

gauchesnell wrote: »

I assume you mean eradication of Cov 19 - hopefully

Yea were on our way to it, we can do it over the next few weeks. Kelly doesn't want that, she'd rather be a good European and live with Covid and restrictions on our way of life.

gauchesnell

yeah eradication is the way to go - good first day of phase 1

bring it on

is kelly that brunette woman.

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/NoelAnderson_/status/1262517387871518720?s=19

ShooterSF

Midlife crisis man wrote: »

I will be boycotting my favourite pub when things resume back to normal. On the day that Leo announced the restrictions to large gatherings, my local posted on social media inviting people in saying they were still open for business. They continued to post over the weekend and only changed their minds on the Sunday after the uproar regarding the Temple Bar video. Those posts were then subsequently deleted. They did the same thing during storm Ophelia and the red warning snowstorm we had. Shoddy business practices bordering on dangerous.

Do I work in your favourite pub?

Honestly as someone who has spent half their life behind the bar I can't see how they reopen. We couldn't enforce distancing before the shutdown and the customers weren't self regulating. The ideas put forward by the vinters seem crazy. Imagine the local pub telling you you cant come in cause there's 30 people in and when you can come in you can't sit at the bar or come up and order for yourself. People are mad to get back o the sesh but they don't realise even when they can it is gonna be a different type of sesh unless the owners just throw their staff into danger, which is also pretty likely tbh...

smurgen

I do miss it however I do think that going back to spending money in pubs the way we used to will not happen again. For me personally I think the thoughts of spending what I normally would have once or twice a month on a proper on the rip night out would be too much. I'd prefer a few quiet one's with friends and the additional cash for other stuff.

gauchesnell

ShooterSF wrote: »

Do I work in your favourite pub?

Honestly as someone who has spent half their life behind the bar I can't see how they reopen. We couldn't enforce distancing before the shutdown and the customers weren't self regulating. The ideas put forward by the vinters seem crazy. Imagine the local pub telling you you cant come in cause there's 30 people in and when you can come in you can't sit at the bar or come up and order for yourself. People are mad to get back o the sesh but they don't realise even when they can it is gonna be a different type of sesh unless the owners just throw their staff into danger, which is also pretty likely tbh...

well said. My parents live in our pub and are cocooning still. No idea how that will work. The risk to staff and owners is huge.

ShooterSF

gauchesnell wrote: »

well said. My parents live in our pub and are cocooning still. No idea how that will work. The risk to staff and owners is huge.

I hope all goes well for them. I feel like the local local pubs are really going to be hit by this It is sad cause on the best nights it is the most fun job in the world.

gauchesnell

we think its the end...not for the pub but for them living there.

If my dad cant have a drink and a chat in his own pub not really much point is there.

ShooterSF

That is really heartbreaking. Hopefully there's is a vaccine in the nearer future than we think and he's cracking dad jokes and moaning about whatever is on the news with the rest of them asap

gauchesnell

well hopefully. Its a rural pub so I think a lot of rural pubs are in the same boat. Nothing like sitting on a high stool talking ****e for hours!!!

drunkmonkey

They should open the rural pubs in a few weeks. The smallest first and see how it goes. No distancing maybe a temperature check when you order the first pint.

RabbleRouser2k

The example they gave was interesting-re:the pubs. Pubs are screwed-it'll be cheaper for folks to just grab a bottle of whiskey or wine and go home.

Turning a pub into a disco with 'you can't come in here'... it's not gonna work. Especially in pubs in towns and villages. You get a lot of ire if you turn away a regular customer.

gauchesnell

thats another concern - the risk to staff and owners is huge. Cant imagine enforcing people to stay in their seats all night and not talk to other people. My own dad cocooning and not being able to go into his own pub

Smaller rural pubs wouldnt be allowed open before the larger ones. They are too powerful and vocal. Social distancing is here for a while whether we like it or not. I cant go back to my office until they put in place social distancing measures no way a pub can operate without it.

No idea what the effect on insurance will be either.

Maybe in a few months things will change

watlantic

Just wondering...
What happened in the US during prohibition ?
Will the whole pub culture, music culture, arts, etc. be forced underground if legal, licensed premises can't reopen or have to enforce such grim restrictions as to make it pointless to go there. There could be resurgence of shebeens, wild parties, etc.. It is beginning to happen already behind closed doors, with heavy curtains and perfect soundproofing and no control.
It would be better not to leave it to the mafia(s), but to have it out in the open.
And for those who think that alcohol is bad, please consider that alcohol consumption has increased quite dramatically during lockdown, and that socially isolated drinking is considered a sign of alcoholism.

gauchesnell

well a shebeen or a house party might be safer - normally people who know/friends with

not as many unknowns.

Talking about a normal house party - nothing wild.

You can have a house party in a garden with anyone who is cocooning - I think.

One of the issues is small confined spaces with members of the public.

Richard Hillman

I can't help but feel that there are people involved within the health industry and politicians that would like to see the pub industry collapse.

There will be a power grab to enforce minimum pricing of alcohol in off licenses to appease the Vintners but there will be nothing for the publicans in terms of reducing licence fees or other such incentives.