How much do you miss the pub?

Andrew00

Nobody is going to follow the 105 BULL thing so will ye stop worrying and be a bit realistic, Jesus.

It will only happen if a pub is proper busy and also any country pub will just lock the doors and shutters after say 10 and let us all drink away.

That's what will happen

Andrew00

FitzShane wrote: »

Does the 105 mins start once you walk in the door or start after you order food or start once your food has arrived on your table? Is it after the last person in your group has entered?

Imagine if you walk into a busy bar/resteraunt in a group of 8, each person orders 2 courses. You could be in a situation where it takes 55 minutes + for your main course to even start to come out, and a few mins more for the rest of your groups food. You don't really get much time to relax after eating then, do you?

Will you stop ffs. They're not going to throw you out the second it passes 105 minutes.

gauchesnell

Dickie10 wrote: »

sorry to disagree but in rural irish towns i would think there will be plenty of quiet pubs. i suppose theres very little stopping a pub thats usually busy on sat/sun nights say 20 people and maybe only 6-10 midweek , putting up menus on thier tables and food prices and operating the pub as usual. keeping food simple, sausage/chips/curry/burgers etc. of course knowing full well no regualars will ever ask for the food. it will be there to be cooked of asked. i would imagine there wouldnt be a que to get into these pubs either so they can fire away come june 29th? some pubs im thinking of have huge premises sometimes a lounge thats never used even.

oh no I am happy to be proven wrong. I am looking forward to going home and going anywhere except my apartment.

as mentioned we (parents pub) isnt opening so the nearest pub would be ok size. The whole 105 mins doesnt appeal to me at all but to go home and see family and friends will be great. Its a rural area aswell.

Cork Boy 53

PTH2009 wrote: »

the media are still going to love these rules

All local papers will be full of snaps of people sitting there enjoying there carvery and pints

Then we will have soicial media full of videos of people in jammed pubs singing arm and arm etc

If there are and they are identified then said pubs will be shut down without notice given.

Dickie10

i supose this will affect busier towns and cities the smaller town pubs and villages wont be looked into and carry on as before. they just wont have the crowds for it to bother them.

undertaker fan 88

FitzShane wrote: »

Does the 105 mins start once you walk in the door or start after you order food or start once your food has arrived on your table? Is it after the last person in your group has entered?

Imagine if you walk into a busy bar/resteraunt in a group of 8, each person orders 2 courses. You could be in a situation where it takes 55 minutes + for your main course to even start to come out, and a few mins more for the rest of your groups food. You don't really get much time to relax after eating then, do you?

Max 6 at a table and everyone has to arrive together no joining others already there. Going to be a nightmare 3 weeks

stephenjmcd

undertaker fan 88 wrote: »

Max 6 at a table and everyone has to arrive together no joining others already there. Going to be a nightmare 3 weeks

No meals no entry for 3 weeks, anyone who just wants a few pints waits until the 20th but yeah its going to be a mess

Appearently this document only relates to the 3 weeks so we'll probably have a whole new set of guidelines for 20th July

Ferris_Bueller

gauchesnell wrote: »

eh maybe double check that. A lot of people like myself are still waiting to travel home come 29th June if travel restrictions are lifted. Locals returning to their locality.

I would fully expect pubs and restaurants full if normal pubs havent reopened by 20th July.

Only speak for own experience here of course. I might avoid the pub myself but restuarants yes

True, you could be completely right, one of the specific areas I am thinking of though I just cant see being overly busy on a weeknight but I could be completely underestimating the publics urge to get out and socialise! It will be interesting to see what happens between the 29th and the 20th, a lot of variables for pubs across the country.

gauchesnell

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

True, you could be completely right, one of the specific areas I am thinking of though I just cant see being overly busy on a weeknight but I could be completely underestimating the publics urge to get out and socialise! It will be interesting to see what happens between the 29th and the 20th, a lot of variables for pubs across the country.

could just be my own situation. Myself and my partner live in Dublin but our families are down south and in the west. It will be great to see people again. Great to travel and do things....even if it is only for 105 mins. I have friends who returned from abroad before lockdown and are still back home so it will be great to see them.

Between 29th June and 20th July there is still only a limited number of venues opening - I havent seen the rules for restaurants yet but I assume they will be similar.

I think the urge is strong to get out and about. I want to support my local bar aswell.

If the travel restrictions arent lifted though I will lose my ****

raze_them_all_

Would the requiring someone's contact details not be a gdpr thing??

stephenjmcd

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Would the requiring someone's contact details not be a gdpr thing??

yup it will be, another headache for pubs

double jobbing

Amid all this hype of booking tables, 105 mins etc etc etc it is worth remembering that for circa 95% of the week this won't apply. A pub at 1pm on a Tuesday afternoon will not require a booking and likely won't enforce the 105 mins. The first Monday and Tuesday evening of this will likely be jammed but it will taper off. It might be slightly busier than normal, particularly with so many of us either off work or in and out depending on demand, but the awkwardness will be restricted to post 5pm Friday and late on Saturday afternoon/ evening.

If you're working and don't drink on a weeknight and don;t fancy this booking business get down there Saturday/ Sunday by 11.

raze_them_all_

stephenjmcd wrote: »

yup it will be, another headache for pubs

Was thinking, this government really don't get gdpr at all, they ****ed themselves with it over social welfare cards too didn't they

joeguevara

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Was thinking, this government really don't get gdpr at all, they ****ed themselves with it over social welfare cards too didn't they

There are a couple of ways around this. Firstly if it is a requirement of law to obtain this information then this is an exemption to GDPR. Im not sure if the guidelines are law so this is probably a non-goer.

But, if its a term and condition that you provide this to sit in the pub, then you are consenting and that's all you need.

The big issue is where the pub is going to store and secure this data and when they will get rid of it.

rob316

Corks biggest publican said he's staying shut, calling the rules a load of codswallop and won't be butchering his pubs with screens and crime scene signage.

Dead right.

Benimar

rob316 wrote: »

Corks biggest publican said he's staying shut, calling the rules a load of codswallop and won't be butchering his pubs with screens and crime scene signage.

Dead right.

Pubs are not due to open until Phase 4. Vintners asked for pubs who can operate as restaurants to be allowed open in Phase 3..as restaurants. That request was granted.

These guidelines are for premises operating as restaurants. If publicans want to open as a restaurant then they have to follow the guidelines or wait until they are allowed open as a pub on July 20th.

The amount of people who do not understand that ‘pure’ pubs cannot open on June 29th surprises me.

If you want a meal and a few drinks then on June 29th You can do that. If you want a ‘night on the p1ss’ then you will have to wait till July 20th.

rob316

Benimar wrote: »

Pubs are not due to open until Phase 4. Vintners asked for pubs who can operate as restaurants to be allowed open in Phase 3..as restaurants. That request was granted.

These guidelines are for premises operating as restaurants. If publicans want to open as a restaurant then they have to follow the guidelines or wait until they are allowed open as a pub on July 20th.

The amount of people who do not understand that ‘pure’ pubs cannot open on June 29th surprises me.

If you want a meal and a few drinks then on June 29th You can do that. If you want a ‘night on the p1ss’ then you will have to wait till July 20th.

Ya he serves food in his establishments. He's the biggest in Cork and was asked are you opening your pubs and that was his response.

howiya

joeguevara wrote: »

There are a couple of ways around this. Firstly if it is a requirement of law to obtain this information then this is an exemption to GDPR. Im not sure if the guidelines are law so this is probably a non-goer.

But, if its a term and condition that you provide this to sit in the pub, then you are consenting and that's all you need.

The big issue is where the pub is going to store and secure this data and when they will get rid of it.

Pubs and restaurants aren't new to taking people's contact details. The only difference is they'll be taking them more often.

joeguevara

howiya wrote: »

Pubs and restaurants aren't new to taking people's contact details. The only difference is they'll be taking them more often.

It will be new for taking them for a public health concern. Usually it is for marketing or bookings. They will have to delete these details once they are no longer required for a public health issue and won't be able to add them to their marketing emails etc unless the person consents. Secondly if they are using them it will be for a suspected Medical issue which is sensitive personal information and requires much stricter controls such as access and security


Its not quite as simple as , sure aren't we used to taking details.

Mister Vain

Will they have a stop watch in place for everyone that walks in the door?

ShooterSF

Mister Vain wrote: »

Will they have a stop watch in place for everyone that walks in the door?

Have you never been to a restaurant? You realise in most busy ones you have an implied or often explicit time limit so that they can book out the table multiple times a night and not worry that you might want to stay for 6 hours. Pubs will need a reservation system now that their capacity is massively limited and that means time limits. It will also help them staff appropriately as they'll have a better idea of how busy they will be which is super important as margins are going to be very thin especially with table service, the extra cleaning, and having to have someone on the floor at all times monitoring social distancing.

stephenjmcd

ShooterSF wrote: »

Have you never been to a restaurant? You realise in most busy ones you have an implied or often explicit time limit so that they can book out the table multiple times a night and not worry that you might want to stay for 6 hours. Pubs will need a reservation system now that their capacity is massively limited and that means time limits. It will also help them staff appropriately as they'll have a better idea of how busy they will be which is super important as margins are going to be very thin especially with table service, the extra cleaning, and having to have someone on the floor at all times monitoring social distancing.

While they operate as restaunts bookings and time limits yes, after 20th July the time limit stuff gets a bit difficult. No pub is going to tell a local after 105 minutes sorry you've to leave. That's just not going to happen realistically.
It'll just lead to organised pub crawls among groups.

gauchesnell

stephenjmcd wrote: »

While they operate as restaunts bookings and time limits yes, after 20th July the time limit stuff gets a bit difficult. No pub is going to tell a local after 105 minutes sorry you've to leave. That's just not going to happen realistically.
It'll just lead to organised pub crawls among groups.

failte ireland came out and said the 105 thing is only for the 3 weeks. Its daft but no you couldnt do it normally.

everything else is grand - seats, social distancing and contact tracing

I will assume the same for normal pubs

Doctors room ghost

Fcukin nonsense the fcukin lot of it.
Just shows the gombeenism that gets entertained in this country.
I’ll be staying home away from it.

opinionated3

If, after the 20th July I can't sit up to the bar in my local, order my pint, have the chat with the regulars and stay as long as I like, I don't think I'll bother anymore. The fun and craic will be gone. Getting kinda sick of these restrictions now. I've toed the line the same as everyone else and definitely lives have been saved but everything else is suffering. Cancer screening and other health priorities, the economy, our relationships with family and friends etc. I don't want a new normal. I want my old life back, as do all of my family and friends. That includes going out with my wife for one night after a week at work to the pub to meet said friends........ Don't take that away from us FFS

stephenjmcd

gauchesnell wrote: »

failte ireland came out and said the 105 thing is only for the 3 weeks. Its daft but no you couldnt do it normally.

everything else is grand - seats, social distancing and contact tracing

I will assume the same for normal pubs

To be fair I've no issue with the 105 for 3 weeks, makes sense, in restaurants its how they work anyway always was, you got your time table returned by x time. Its purely to stop lads arriving to a pub and having chicken wings when they arrive up and 2 hours later having a pizza, all to stay on the pints for the day.

Its when you open up fully on the 20th that it would have caused issues. Good to see its been clarified though, do you have a link for that ? Would be interested in reading it.

The rest is grand, no issue with table service , 1m between tables and any pub I'm in can have my contact details no problem in the event of contact tracing.

opinionated3

gauchesnell wrote: »

failte ireland came out and said the 105 thing is only for the 3 weeks. Its daft but no you couldnt do it normally.

everything else is grand - seats, social distancing and contact tracing

I will assume the same for normal pubs

Except that for an awful lot of pub's, especially rural ones, don't have the required square footage to take into account social distancing , table seats only, etc. So what do you suggest they do? Close for good? The pub I go to is very small. Seven stools at the bar, a couple of small round tables that maybe three persons could sit at. But it's regarded as the nicest pub in the village. Super pint, great craic and just a nice all round atmosphere. With these restrictions your possibly looking at allowing maybe six people in at one time.

gauchesnell

stephenjmcd wrote: »

To be fair I've no issue with the 105 for 3 weeks, makes sense, in restaurants its how they work anyway always was, you got your time table returned by x time. Its purely to stop lads arriving to a pub and having chicken wings when they arrive up and 2 hours later having a pizza, all to stay on the pints for the day.

Its when you open up fully on the 20th that it would have caused issues. Good to see its been clarified though, do you have a link for that ? Would be interested in reading it.

The rest is grand, no issue with table service , 1m between tables and any pub I'm in can have my contact details no problem in the event of contact tracing.

Just read it in the journal https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-time-limit-5126716-Jun2020/

to be honest she sounds like an eejit


There had been confusion however over whether this time limit would continue into Phase 4 on 20 July, when other pubs can reopen without selling food.

Speaking this morning on RTɒs Today with Sarah McInerney, Failte Ireland’s Tara Kerry said this is not currently what is expected.

“Once July comes and we’re into Phase Four of the reopening, bars will be allowed unless something changes in the government roadmap between now and then, bars will be allowed to reopen then and they won’t have to serve food. So people will be able to spend a longer period in the bars,” she said.

Our understanding is that there won’t be any limit on it. The reason there’s a limit on it at the moment is because of the food element. Bars would not be able to open as bars just serving alcohol because the government roadmap reopening is only allowing bars to reopen as actual physical bars on the 20 July.
Asked why this is the case, Kerry said it is part of a “phased reopening” and that is this is the public health advice they’ve been given by the Department of Health.

ShooterSF

stephenjmcd wrote: »

While they operate as restaunts bookings and time limits yes, after 20th July the time limit stuff gets a bit difficult. No pub is going to tell a local after 105 minutes sorry you've to leave. That's just not going to happen realistically.
It'll just lead to organised pub crawls among groups.

It will but what is the alternative? If you don't have time limits you either can't reserve tables or you can only reserve it once. If you don't do reservations people are going to come down to the pub only to be refused. Maybe in built up urban areas where there's a dozen pubs in walking distance that'll be okay (ish) but not in areas where people won't get ready to go to the pub and walk or taxi down and have to worry they won't get in.

gauchesnell

opinionated3 wrote: »

Except that for an awful lot of pub's, especially rural ones, don't have the required square footage to take into account social distancing , table seats only, etc. So what do you suggest they do? Close for good? The pub I go to is very small. Seven stools at the bar, a couple of small round tables that maybe three persons could sit at. But it's regarded as the nicest pub in the village. Super pint, great craic and just a nice all round atmosphere. With these restrictions your possibly looking at allowing maybe six people in at one time.

well my parents pub is closed and wont reopen until maybe the new year so I understand what you are saying.

I suppose everyone is waiting for clarity as to what the rules are...the published ones are just for those opening on 29th June.

Personally I cant see a way around social distancing at present

stephenjmcd

ShooterSF wrote: »

It will but what is the alternative? If you don't have time limits you either can't reserve tables or you can only reserve it once. If you don't do reservations people are going to come down to the pub only to be refused. Maybe in built up urban areas where there's a dozen pubs in walking distance that'll be okay (ish) but not in areas where people won't get ready to go to the pub and walk or taxi down and have to worry they won't get in.

As another poster just posted the time limit isn't expected to be in play come 20th July.

I'd expect most places to set aside x amount of tables for bookings and x amount for walk in come 20th July.

There's going to be issues but like I've said your not going to get a publican saying to a long time local saying off you go after 105 minutes but looks like that won't be an issue now with no time limit

ShooterSF

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As another poster just posted the time limit isn't expected to be in play come 20th July.

I'd expect most places to set aside x amount of tables for bookings and x amount for walk in come 20th July.

There's going to be issues but like I've said your not going to get a publican saying to a long time local saying off you go after 105 minutes but looks like that won't be an issue now with no time limit

Oh I know there won't be any enforced time limit on pubs and no where wants to kick out someone (local or not) that wants to spend more money in your establishment apart from upsetting them. I just think it is still going to be a tough balancing act when you only have tables and they have to be 1/2 metres apart and no standing room or bar seating. Lots of tough decisions like you said. Is a publican going to refuse to reserve a table to keep it open for locals to walk in. What if you have 6 tables and all are occupied by walk ins by locals at 5 oclock but you have 3 reservations at 8pm and all 6 are still there. Do the more regulars stay is it last in first out etc...

gauchesnell

the whole thing is confusng at present

Very difficult to turn away anyone I would say but at the moment we are only assumng no seating at the bar. Does make sense though if you need to make space for staff etc

Kinda takes the spontaneity out of things for a whle

but its only temporary

The whole taking peoples names and storing them might be a bit painful for a while - for staff I mean

rubadub

PTH2009 wrote: »

If they don't like the look of ya than 'not tonight bud we're full

There is nothing new there, that "problem" is always there.

Those who think the meal thing is ridiculous, I wonder what they would put in law to differentiate between restaurants and pubs.

I have said before a large amount of restaurants would not have been permitted to open in some areas, if they had tried to open a pub.

The reasons should be obvious and this feigning of ignorance is tiresome, maybe some really are that thick though. If a pub was to open next to me I would be a lot more concerned than if a restaurant did, it would be rare enough to see people falling out of restaurants arm in arm pissing & puking in gardens. esp. if they were only there for a couple of hours.

It is restaurants that are being allowed to open, and pubs are lucky enough to be allowed to oeprate as one. I wonder if this has happened in other countries and you simply did not hear about it much, might have happened in some countries where getting rip roaring pissed and having a "eating is cheating" attitude is not common. (I am a big pisshead myself and do not like eating & drinking, not that it should matter).

It would be something like pedicure places being allowed open, since there is typically a reasonable face to face distance kept from the pedicure person and the customer. And so they might allow regular beauticians and maybe hair dressers & massage places to open, IF they only do pedicures.

Benimar

For those not watching the press conference, the guidance given is for businesses serving food only (restaurants, pubs operating solely as a restaurant).

There has been no advice given in relation to the opening of pubs. Tony Holohan pretty much said that Failte Ireland aren’t part of NPHET!

gauchesnell

Benimar wrote: »

For those not watching the press conference, the guidance given is for businesses serving food only (restaurants, pubs operating solely as a restaurant).

There has been no advice given in relation to the opening of pubs. Tony Holohan pretty much said that Failte Ireland aren’t part of NPHET!

lol you would wonder what is taking so long but then again it is the same for loads of industries

Do these guidelines apply to cafes - i.e I would like to sit down and have a cup of tea and a sandwich

Benimar

gauchesnell wrote: »

lol you would wonder what is taking so long but then again it is the same for loads of industries

Do these guidelines apply to cafes - i.e I would like to sit down and have a cup of tea and a sandwich

He didn't say, but I'd imagine cafes come under the heading of outlets serving food, so the guidelines apply.

Pubs haven't been looked at because they won't open for another 32 days and Tony Holohan admitted tonight that pubs are one of the highest risk environments we can open.

gauchesnell

Benimar wrote: »

He didn't say, but I'd imagine cafes come under the heading of outlets serving food, so the guidelines apply.

Pubs haven't been looked at because they won't open for another 32 days and Tony Holohan admitted tonight that pubs are one of the highest risk environments we can open.

well yeah makes sense..

Hopefully things will go ok when things do reopen on 29th...noone wants a setback

stephenjmcd

gauchesnell wrote: »

the whole thing is confusng at present

Very difficult to turn away anyone I would say but at the moment we are only assumng no seating at the bar. Does make sense though if you need to make space for staff etc

Kinda takes the spontaneity out of things for a whle

but its only temporary

The whole taking peoples names and storing them might be a bit painful for a while - for staff I mean

I was actually just about to ask that, does it say in the document no seating at the bar ? I didn't see it referenced but could have missed it

ShooterSF

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I was actually just about to ask that, does it say in the document no seating at the bar ? I didn't see it referenced but could have missed it

Think it mentions table service only if I remember correctly.

PTH2009

July 20th will be d-day and pubs will be manic, People might book the day off work and go on the lash all day etc

With Dr Tony saying pubs will be high risk zones than he might find a way of forcing them to change (and Leo and Harris will fall for it)

gauchesnell

PTH2009 wrote: »

July 20th will be d-day and pubs will be manic, People might book the day off work and go on the lash all day etc

With Dr Tony saying pubs will be high risk zones than he might find a way of forcing them to change (and Leo and Harris will fall for it)

pubs are high risk - anyone can see that

I hope people dont go on the lash tbh as pubs will be closed pronto if people and publicans take the piss.

That may be the worst thing to happen

ShooterSF

gauchesnell wrote: »

pubs are high risk - anyone can see that

I hope people dont go on the lash tbh as pubs will be closed pronto if people and publicans take the piss.

That may be the worst thing to happen

My boss has already got messages from people looking to book a table EVERY day in July only to be told that we weren't opening until at least the 20th. I can see people trying to take the piss.

Monokne

gauchesnell wrote: »

pubs are high risk - anyone can see that

I hope people dont go on the lash tbh as pubs will be closed pronto if people and publicans take the piss.

That may be the worst thing to happen

That is the inevitablity though.

And the other thing is when people are p*ssed, there is not a hope they will social distance.

Totally sympathise with people who's livelihoods depend on it, but pubs to me just fundamentally can't work until there's a vaccine, or if we are prepared to just say 'f*ck it, we want normality' and sacrifice peoples health for the right to socialise.

PTH2009

gauchesnell wrote: »

pubs are high risk - anyone can see that

I hope people dont go on the lash tbh as pubs will be closed pronto if people and publicans take the piss.

That may be the worst thing to happen

sadly its inevitable going by the openings of other places like Woodies, Mcdonalds, Pennys and the likes

gauchesnell

PTH2009 wrote: »

sadly its inevitable going by the openings of other places like Woodies, Mcdonalds, Pennys and the likes

I know its human nature...they will be closed fairly quickley if that happens. Add alcohol to a crowd and social distancing is gone.

Thats the issue.

Hopefully there is a little leeway for a while

gauchesnell

Monokne wrote: »

That is the inevitablity though.

And the other thing is when people are p*ssed, there is not a hope they will social distance.

Totally sympathise with people who's livelihoods depend on it, but pubs to me just fundamentally can't work until there's a vaccine, or if we are prepared to just say 'f*ck it, we want normality' and sacrifice peoples health for the right to socialise.

I agree - I wouldnt personally feel safe in a crowded pub at present but thats me.

I have self isolated twice now - not doing a third if I can help it

gauchesnell

ShooterSF wrote: »

My boss has already got messages from people looking to book a table EVERY day in July only to be told that we weren't opening until at least the 20th. I can see people trying to take the piss.

ah here. I can understand that though. Poor bar staff :eek:

AngryLoner

Pfff... pubs can shove it, baby. I’ll continue to knacker drink at a quarter of the price with far better surroundings and company.

Utopia Parkway

AngryLoner wrote: »

Pfff... pubs can shove it, baby. I’ll continue to knacker drink at a quarter of the price with far better surroundings and company.

Nobody is forced to go to the pub. Although you'd swear they are if you listened to some going on around here.