How much do you miss the pub?

Acosta

freak scence wrote: »

you can have 100 people indoors on the 20th of july and 1m sd

The irish aviation industry should get the vitners association to lobby for them.

freak scence

Acosta wrote: »

The irish aviation industry should get the vitners association to lobby for them.

ain't vinters its general guidelines maybe have a read up on what was published yesterday

joeguevara

freak scence wrote: »

ain't vinters its general guidelines maybe have a read up on what was published yesterday

The fact that pubs had a chance of being deemed as restaurants in contravention of planning law and food safety standards was down to the lobbying of the VFA and the LVFA. The fact that they have gone nuts at the guidelines for doing so is besides the point.

freak scence

joeguevara wrote: »

The fact that pubs had a chance of being deemed as restaurants in contravention of planning law and food safety standards was down to the lobbying of the VFA and the LVFA. The fact that they have gone nuts at the guidelines for doing so is besides the point.

i am taking about 100 people indoors from july 20th which is not down to the vfi or lva lobbying

joeguevara

freak scence wrote: »

i am taking about 100 people indoors from july 20th which is not down to the vfi or lva lobbying

The fact that pubs are able to open at all in July is down to the vintners lobbying. No point having general guidelines if you are not open. Just over a month ago, no pubs would be able to open before mid August. Government were in talks with Vitners and hey presto, you can open in June if you serve food and July if not. That was the reason for the poster saying that the Aviation industry should get the vintners to represent them. Nothing to do with the guidelines.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/government-has-not-decided-yet-if-pubs-can-reopen-as-restaurants-1.4259303?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fgovernment-has-not-decided-yet-if-pubs-can-reopen-as-restaurants-1.4259303

freak scence

joeguevara wrote: »

The fact that pubs are able to open at all in July is down to the vintners lobbying. No point having general guidelines if you are not open. Just over a month ago, no pubs would be able to open before mid August. Government were in talks with Vitners and hey presto, you can open in June if you serve food and July if not. That was the reason for the poster saying that the Aviation industry should get the vintners to represent them. Nothing to do with the guidelines.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/government-has-not-decided-yet-if-pubs-can-reopen-as-restaurants-1.4259303?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fgovernment-has-not-decided-yet-if-pubs-can-reopen-as-restaurants-1.4259303

I am well aware of that

Redo91

joeguevara wrote: »

It’s anyone’s guess what is going to happen. If the guidelines are to be followed then a meal has to be served to get a table. How many people want to go to a pub at 9.30 and have a microwave lasagne put in front of them when all they wanted was a few drinks. If food runs out does that mean pub closes. Will there be a chef or someone who can cook and prepare food til 11. Will there be enough waiting staff to take orders, serve, clean etc til 11.

Until it begins and see how something that has never been done before works, no one has a clue.

It’s madness that they need to serve food. I’m hoping to go the local during the week for a few when they first open and hopefully they’d be ok with a group of 3/4 of just getting two soup of the days between us to hit the €9 mark rather than €9 per head. Can’t see them implementing the €9 pp anyhow.

MonkstownHoop

I see Oscars in Smithfield are openly defying the 105 minutes

PTH2009

Soup and a sandwich be grand and light enough to enjoy a few pints. Same for finger good

Could be different for others but find having burgers, onion rings or steak are killers if you want to enjoy a few pints after. You're just so full

Benimar

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

I see Oscars in Smithfield are openly defying the 105 minutes

And we have a winner in the first premises in Dublin to be ‘randomly’ inspected sweepstakes🤣

jt69er

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

The stuff they use now is even more toxic and these lads arent exactly the most thorough. Just a heads up as with so much cleaning occurring there'll surely be some residual cleaning fluid left in a few taps

Are you actually serious. You obviously know nothing about the line cleaning process so don't spout rubbish based on old wives tales.

joeguevara

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

I see Oscars in Smithfield are openly defying the 105 minutes

It is a great way of generating publicity. The amount of news sites, social media, fillers on current affairs shows that will mention this is very worthwhile. Reminds me of Fibbers in Ayre Square in Galway who were the only pub that publicly flouted the smoking ban. They had RTE filming every day for every news bulletins national and international exposure. People doing pilgrimages there in support and all they got was a 3k fine.

But, it’s another ridiculous guideline for a place like Oscars. The menu is pretty much fine dining in a pub setting. Starters from 8 -12.50 and mains from 15-25. Your not going to want to be under time pressure and rush a nice dinner. It’s secondary to the alcohol.

But it’s clear that they have determined that the guidelines are not enforceable and even if they are there is no fine for breaching it. This is the pub who has gone viral at least 3 times in the last couple of years firstly for an allegedly sexist competition where if a girl can explain the offside rule they get a free drink, exposed Lovin Dublin for trying to mooch a free night out for its staff if they got a post on Instagram and finally the snowflake application form which didn’t go down well.

ShyMets

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

I see Oscars in Smithfield are openly defying the 105 minutes

I hope they get closed down.

Sorry, just wanted to be first one in with that comment:)

Mister Vain

The future of bar fights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3juaQvrlsZw

Santy2015

Just 30 more days :-)

saabsaab

jt69er wrote: »

Are you actually serious. You obviously know nothing about the line cleaning process so don't spout rubbish based on old wives tales.

I know nothing about line cleaning process. What are they using now? Don't say beer line cleaning solution.

jt69er

saabsaab wrote: »

I know nothing about line cleaning process. What are they using now?

Breweries use a variety of Draftline or Pipeline Beer line cleaner, most of these contain a dye which changes colour as the line is cleansed.This is then rinsed through with water. Diageo use a "surge" system which recirculates the detergent through the lines for 20 min and then rinses the lines automatically.

saabsaab

jt69er wrote: »

Breweries use a variety of Draftline or Pipeline Beer line cleaner, most of these contain a dye which changes colour as the line is cleansed.This is then rinsed through with water. Diageo use a "surge" system which recirculates the detergent through the lines for 20 min and then rinses the lines automatically.

Thanks for that but what chemical(s) are used in that line cleaner. Bleach? acid?

ShooterSF

Redo91 wrote: »

It’s madness that they need to serve food. I’m hoping to go the local during the week for a few when they first open and hopefully they’d be ok with a group of 3/4 of just getting two soup of the days between us to hit the €9 mark rather than €9 per head. Can’t see them implementing the €9 pp anyhow.

Again it really isn't madness. They were set to open in the last phase. They asked the govt if they served food and did a load of other restaurant stuff like table service and such, if they could open at the same time and they were told yes. So it isn't that they NEED to serve food, it was their proposal. You can still wait until the last phase as planned and go have pints.

Redo91

ShooterSF wrote: »

Again it really isn't madness. They were set to open in the last phase. They asked the govt if they served food and did a load of other restaurant stuff like table service and such, if they could open at the same time and they were told yes. So it isn't that they NEED to serve food, it was their proposal. You can still wait until the last phase as planned and go have pints.

But if they are doing table service then why the need to serve drink? I realise they suggested it so they could open sooner but surely if they agreed to table service that should have been sufficient. I don’t understand why they have to differentiate between serving food and drink v just drink. Last time I checked there is no immunity from Covid-19 if you’re eating a “substantial meal”.

jt69er

saabsaab wrote:

Thanks for that but what chemical(s) are used in that line cleaner. Bleach? acid?

Sodium Hydroxide 30%, a strong alkaline.

Benimar

Redo91 wrote: »

But if they are doing table service then why the need to serve drink? I realise they suggested it so they could open sooner but surely if they agreed to table service that should have been sufficient. I don’t understand why they have to differentiate between serving food and drink v just drink. Last time I checked there is no immunity from Covid-19 if you’re eating a “substantial meal”.

You have to understand NPHET don’t want pubs to open yet, rightly in my opinion.

When it was clear that Restaurants would open earlier, the Vintners lobbied to allow pubs who served food to open as Restaurants (not as pubs)

Now that they can open as Restaurants, people are complaining that the have to operate as Restaurants

If they want to operate as a pub, wait until July 20th like the rest of the ‘pure’ pubs.

saabsaab

jt69er wrote: »

Sodium Hydroxide 30%, a strong alkaline.

Caustic soda, powerful stuff.

jt69er

saabsaab wrote:

Caustic soda, powerful stuff.

Diluted obviously!

mountgomery burns

Benimar wrote: »

You have to understand NPHET don’t want pubs to open yet, rightly in my opinion.

When it was clear that Restaurants would open earlier, the Vintners lobbied to allow pubs who served food to open as Restaurants (not as pubs)

Now that they can open as Restaurants, people are complaining that the have to operate as Restaurants

If they want to operate as a pub, wait until July 20th like the rest of the ‘pure’ pubs.

I wonder if there's an element of making the Country less appealing for "that kind" of tourist also for as long as the travel restrictions remain.

I can see the logic of keeping them closed longer alright but at this stage I think if they opened them in a sensible manner and let those that have premises that can still operate in a restricted fashion do so. And it would ease the burden on the level of financial support the government would need to provide to the industry as a whole as no doubt there will be plenty of pubs that aren't viable operations for the foreseeable, as we have seen from an analogy of a Kilkenny pub owner above.

Maybe I'm naive and a free for all is what awaits us on July 20th, but personally I feel like a middle ground and sensible approach could have been adopted to enable a more widespread earlier opening.

joeguevara

jt69er wrote: »

Diluted obviously!

I never took much notice when our lines were being cleaned and what they did in Ireland. But in London (when I was much younger and in a completely different career) we used to clean the lines ourselves both the ale lines and the keg lines. If you got a dozy barman to do it, one time out of 10 they would forget to flush the lines with water after the line cleaner. Literally they would hook the line from the wall back on the keg and pull the beer through. Few close calls with that. With the ale cellar, which I absolutely loved taking care of and did the CAMRA exams, half the time even after flushing the lines, I’d wonder if I had because majority of ale tastes like chemicals to me.

But, of course it’s diluted. But still very toxic and poisonous. It is a concentrated solution of Sodium Hydroxide and Sodium Hypochlorite. If allowed to come into contact with the skin or other soft tissues it could cause severe burns and it is highly poisonous. If ingested, burns may appear around the lips and blood may be vomited.

But back to the original post, the guys from Diageo and Heineken who clean the lines are utmost professionals in my experience. To say that they are less than thorough, I would have to disagree.

Dickie10

NPHET said the other day that nightclubs wouldnt open until at least July10th. now where did that date come from? so nightclubs could open around 12 july and pubs not til 20th?

i would imagine pubs will be allowed open from around 5 th july a week or 10 days after restauraunts . cant see them leaving til 20th. if Nepht are on about july 10th for nightclubs

PTH2009

Going all summer tonight only a month too go (long long month)

Oscar Bravo

Dickie10 wrote: »

NPHET said the other day that nightclubs wouldnt open until at least July10th. now where did that date come from? so nightclubs could open around 12 july and pubs not til 20th?

i would imagine pubs will be allowed open from around 5 th july a week or 10 days after restauraunts . cant see them leaving til 20th. if Nepht are on about july 10th for nightclubs

Spot on, pubs July 6th. Ive noticed here in Castlebar in the past week there is nearly a painting and decorating van outside every pub (not before time in more cases

Dickie10

has anyone hear stayed off alchol completly since lockdown? i havent drank siince i was out on saturday 7th march. havent touched a drop since. in many ways the lockdown may well have changed my drinking habits for good. i would always go out for pints on a saturday night religously, i would start around 9 pm have about 5 or 6 pints then go to a late bar til 2:30, id usually have 4 pints there too from say 12-2:30. you would be prob not out of the late bar til near 3 really, and by the time you grab a burger or pizza and taxi home its hitting 4:;30 . hard aul going no matter how fun it is. i would usually do this most weekends bar spring when im busy 2 or 3 and cant go out. the real craic starts when you head down to the hotel around 3 am and have a few nightcaps in rezzie bar . i only do this maybe twice a year any more, some lads and lasses do it once a month! now thats a killer.

overall though i miss the fun and antics i socalise in a very big nightlife town and miss the buzz, but have to say i will find it much easier to say no to some of these nights more often. before the virus i was really trying to keep my saturday nights to every second weekend. you would literaaly save half your money and cut in half drink consumption. have to say i am very proud of being dry since march 7th. it wouldnt ever occur to me to drink at home ever. absolulty hate it. love pub atmospheres even quite one.

joeguevara

Late decision at 9.30 pm to stay up to watch the UFC. Walked around the corner to Tescos to get some cans. Closed, which was strange as usually open til 10 on a Saturday. Was going to go to O’Brien’s but luckily two lads had just come from there and closed also. Then remembered the Lighthouse bar did takeout. Very pleasantly surprised with 24 bottles of Brahma for 25 euro.

gauchesnell

Dickie10 wrote: »

NPHET said the other day that nightclubs wouldnt open until at least July10th. now where did that date come from? so nightclubs could open around 12 july and pubs not til 20th?

i would imagine pubs will be allowed open from around 5 th july a week or 10 days after restauraunts . cant see them leaving til 20th. if Nepht are on about july 10th for nightclubs

I thought it was the 20th July

Phase 4 of Ireland's Roadmap for reopening society and business is due to commence on 20 July, subject to government approval.

The main changes are:

pubs, bars, hotel bars and casinos may reopen
gatherings of up to 100 people indoors and 500 outdoors will be permissible

No idea if 100 people indoors mean 100 people standing or sitting. Who knows at the moment

Oh and some nightclubs that have reopened in Europe have banned dancing!!!

MonkstownHoop

joeguevara wrote: »

Late decision at 9.30 pm to stay up to watch the UFC. Walked around the corner to Tescos to get some cans. Closed, which was strange as usually open til 10 on a Saturday. Was going to go to O’Brien’s but luckily two lads had just come from there and closed also. Then remembered the Lighthouse bar did takeout. Very pleasantly surprised with 24 bottles of Brahma for 25 euro.

Bizarre, Dunnes have extended opening until 11, i know O'Briens have reduced hours but Tesco shouldn't

joeguevara

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

Bizarre, Dunnes have extended opening until 11, i know O'Briens have reduced hours but Tesco shouldn't

Dunnes opening to 11 wouldn’t help as off licence closes at 10. Never seen Tesco close at 10. Thought I missed an hour going forward or something.

watlantic

Heretically-speaking pubs, clubs and live music are ESSENTIAL SERVICES, providing a much sought-after cure for many ailments...:P
Want a low risk life ? Stay at home and risk it there. Most people die in a bed, so beds should be abolished as they pose a high-risk environment ?
Joking, of course, or maybe I should risk it and go to bed now :eek:...

joeguevara

watlantic wrote: »

Heretically-speaking pubs, clubs and live music are ESSENTIAL SERVICES, providing a much sought-after cure for many ailments...:P
Want a low risk life ? Stay at home and risk it there. Most people die in a bed, so beds should be abolished as they pose a high-risk environment ?
Joking, of course, or maybe I should risk it and go to bed now :eek:...

I have a distant family member who posts every day on social media how it’s all a hoax, set up by bill gates, no one dying. He gets very nasty and quotes bs. If anyone challenges him and shows how moronic his arguments are, he replies it’s good to look at both sides, even though he doesn’t. His best was near the beginning, he said more people die in swimming pools than Covid so why not ban swimming pools.

watlantic

joeguevara wrote: »

I have a distant family member who posts every day on social media how it’s all a hoax, set up by bill gates, no one dying. He gets very nasty and quotes bs. If anyone challenges him and shows how moronic his arguments are, he replies it’s good to look at both sides, even though he doesn’t. His best was near the beginning, he said more people die in swimming pools than Covid so why not ban swimming pools.

Who's that man in your family who let Bill through the Gates ? My friend Old Seadog says that Stockton's Wing sang 'Let all the doors swing open'
but that they never mentioned Bill, nor the bills to be paid...:D
Put your tinfoil hat back on to be safe:p

joeguevara

watlantic wrote: »

Who's that man in your family who let Bill through the Gates ? My friend Old Seadog says that Stockton's Wing sang 'Let all the doors swing open'
but that they never mentioned Bill, nor the bills to be paid...:D
Put your tinfoil hat back on to be safe:p

Ridiculous some of the sh1te he spouts but it’s not just him. Getting more common. People saying they won’t have a vaccine for Covid because they will implant a chip. And as for the whole 5g debacle.

PTH2009

Bill Gates has enough money to cry on to get through it all

Does he have a secret irish disguise and getting the covid payment ???

ShooterSF

joeguevara wrote: »

I have a distant family member who posts every day on social media how it’s all a hoax, set up by bill gates, no one dying. He gets very nasty and quotes bs. If anyone challenges him and shows how moronic his arguments are, he replies it’s good to look at both sides, even though he doesn’t. His best was near the beginning, he said more people die in swimming pools than Covid so why not ban swimming pools.

Well the swimming pool line likely comes from "Doctor" Phil

360,000 victims a year :D Jeeeesus Phil :pac::pac:

joeguevara

ShooterSF wrote: »

Well the swimming pool line likely comes from "Doctor" Phil

360,000 victims a year :D Jeeeesus Phil :pac::pac:

I thought he was supposed to be reasonable. I’ve given up listening to my relations moronic postings and theories. Wouldn’t be surprised if he told me tomorrow that there is more of a chance of winning the lottery than catching Covid. Lol. Learned today that you are 4000 times more likely to win an Oscar than winning the lottery. Given up buying tickets and working on an acceptance spech,

Back to Dr Phil, cash me outside how bow da


https://youtu.be/P9K59-f7-LQ

ninebeanrows

jt69er wrote: »

Are you actually serious. You obviously know nothing about the line cleaning process so don't spout rubbish based on old wives tales.

You are the one reacting.

Dont understand what I posted that's 'spouting rubbish'

All I was saying was that at the start of this year I was in a well known place in Dublin. Ordered pint of guinness, brought pint to my nose and smelled bleach , took a small sup and tasted dodge. I grew suspicious then looked towards the bar and noticed tap cleaning was in progress.

I'm simply warning people to be careful when next in the pub.

People have been killed or badly injured through poor controls when tap cleaning. The bar should be closed the day of it anyway and taps properly rinsed. A good bar man will always taste the beer coming out after a cleaning to ensure it is up to standard

Apologies for upsetting you

joeguevara

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

You are the one reacting.

Dont understand what I posted that's 'spouting rubbish'

All I was saying was that at the start of this year I was in a well known place in Dublin. Ordered pint of guinness, brought pint to my nose and smelled bleach , took a small sup and tasted dodge. I grew suspicious then looked towards the bar and noticed tap cleaning was in progress.

I'm simply warning people to be careful when next in the pub.

People have been killed or badly injured through poor controls when tap cleaning. The bar should be closed the day of it anyway and taps properly rinsed. A good bar man will always taste the beer coming out after a cleaning to ensure it is up to standard

Apologies for upsetting you

You are right about it being toxic. You are right about it being dangerous, you are right to warn people to be vigilant. And surprisingly you are right about a recent bad injury in Leeds after a bar served someone a glass of caustic soda mistakenly as beer. Shocking injuries.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mcdonalds-irish-farmers-ifa-5054719-Mar2020/

But saying that the beer technicians who come to clean the lines are often less than thorough is not true. A pub prides itself on its draft, and especially Guinness. If a less than thorough person was allowed near a line, they wouldn’t be long being far away from the line. Also publicans build a good relationship with them and see them regularly. You would get free merchandise, glasses and when a promotion is going to be on and how to improve. I think that was where you were questioned.

jt69er

Sleety_Rain wrote:

All I was saying was that at the start of this year I was in a well known place in Dublin. Ordered pint of guinness, brought pint to my nose and smelled bleach , took a small sup and tasted dodge. I grew suspicious then looked towards the bar and noticed tap cleaning was in progress.

If line cleaning was in progress you couldn't have been served Guinness, more rubbish.

watlantic

joeguevara wrote: »

Ridiculous some of the sh1te he spouts but it’s not just him. Getting more common. People saying they won’t have a vaccine for Covid because they will implant a chip. And as for the whole 5g debacle.

Seriously ?
I'm badly in need of 5gs of that vaccine against hangover now... and got to 'implant' a bag of chips. PLEASE:eek:
BTW, did you ever try 'common' laughter ?

freak scence

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

You are the one reacting.

Dont understand what I posted that's 'spouting rubbish'

All I was saying was that at the start of this year I was in a well known place in Dublin. Ordered pint of guinness, brought pint to my nose and smelled bleach , took a small sup and tasted dodge. I grew suspicious then looked towards the bar and noticed tap cleaning was in progress.

I'm simply warning people to be careful when next in the pub.

People have been killed or badly injured through poor controls when tap cleaning. The bar should be closed the day of it anyway and taps properly rinsed. A good bar man will always taste the beer coming out after a cleaning to ensure it is up to standard

Apologies for upsetting you

was more likely detergent in the washing machine , and the new system diageo uses can't leave crap in the line

Redo91

Benimar wrote: »

You have to understand NPHET don’t want pubs to open yet, rightly in my opinion.

When it was clear that Restaurants would open earlier, the Vintners lobbied to allow pubs who served food to open as Restaurants (not as pubs)

Now that they can open as Restaurants, people are complaining that the have to operate as Restaurants

If they want to operate as a pub, wait until July 20th like the rest of the ‘pure’ pubs.

Ya but the hunters obviously lobbied to be allowed to open as restaurants as a compromise. It goes without saying that all pubs would ideally have liked to open with restaurants and they had to compromise.

My major issue with only allowing pubs open that serve food is that there is no since or logic behind it. We can all see the benefit of social distancing but once pubs only do table service there is no increased danger involved in someone going to pub for a few drinks rather than food. The key protection is the table service. The food has nothing to do with it so I don’t know why they are differentiating between the two.

I just have an issue with restrictions that have no logic. It was the same when people could only travel within their own county. It offered no greater protection to people from Covid-19. Depending on where you live some people could travel much further than others.

I’m genuinely curious why you don’t think pubs should open yet with table service? Have you not seen what’s happened in other countries that are already opened up to the extent that we are due to on the 20th July and have seen no spike in cases. These are countries with more cases than us in the community. It is virtually gone in the community now and new cases are linked to known cases.

I was delighted that we weren’t one of the first countries to open up as it allowed us to see how other countries fared. We now have hard evidence that opening up has no major adverse effects. Why should we keep restrictions in place any longer than is necessary?

Anyone that is concerned about opening up too soon can stay at home until they think it safe to go to pubs etc but the rest of us should be allowed to get on with our lives.

Benimar

Redo91 wrote: »

Ya but the hunters obviously lobbied to be allowed to open as restaurants as a compromise. It goes without saying that all pubs would ideally have liked to open with restaurants and they had to compromise.

My major issue with only allowing pubs open that serve food is that there is no since or logic behind it. We can all see the benefit of social distancing but once pubs only do table service there is no increased danger involved in someone going to pub for a few drinks rather than food. The key protection is the table service. The food has nothing to do with it so I don’t know why they are differentiating between the two.

I just have an issue with restrictions that have no logic. It was the same when people could only travel within their own county. It offered no greater protection to people from Covid-19. Depending on where you live some people could travel much further than others.

I’m genuinely curious why you don’t think pubs should open yet with table service? Have you not seen what’s happened in other countries that are already opened up to the extent that we are due to on the 20th July and have seen no spike in cases. These are countries with more cases than us in the community. It is virtually gone in the community now and new cases are linked to known cases.

I was delighted that we weren’t one of the first countries to open up as it allowed us to see how other countries fared. We now have hard evidence that opening up has no major adverse effects. Why should we keep restrictions in place any longer than is necessary?

Anyone that is concerned about opening up too soon can stay at home until they think it safe to go to pubs etc but the rest of us should be allowed to get on with our lives.

It's actually very simple. Most people go to a restaurant for a meal, and maybe a couple of drinks.

There is an element in society (we can argue what % all day) who go to the pub to get p1ssed. Having a number of drunk people with lower inhibitions in a confined space is way harder to 'police' in the sense of people staying seated, getting too close to others etc. Could you imagine trying to get them to leave after 105 minutes?! Or keeping track of who they have been in contact with?

As for your last comment, I'm sorry, but from next week pretty much is open except pubs, and if people need access to a pub to 'get on with our lives' then they have bigger issues to be dealing with.

tylercheribini

Benimar wrote: »

It's actually very simple. Most people go to a restaurant for a meal, and maybe a couple of drinks.

There is an element in society (we can argue what % all day) who go to the pub to get p1ssed. Having a number of drunk people with lower inhibitions in a confined space is way harder to 'police' in the sense of people staying seated, getting too close to others etc. Could you imagine trying to get them to leave after 105 minutes?! Or keeping track of who they have been in contact with?

As for your last comment, I'm sorry, but from next week pretty much is open except pubs, and if people need access to a pub to 'get on with our lives' then they have bigger issues to be dealing with.

"There is an element in society (we can argue what % all day) who go to the pub to get p1ssed. "

Morality police in the house.

ninebeanrows

jt69er wrote: »

If line cleaning was in progress you couldn't have been served Guinness, more rubbish.

I dont get your issue? I saw them clean about 3 lines after including another Guinness line

I watched the 2nd Guinness line being cleaned , a lot of watery liquid went into bucket followed by very small amount if Guinness and then it was ready.

I'm assuming I got first pint after the other Guinness line had been cleaned and it still had some amount of residual cleaner in it or a bubble of it when they didnt let the guinness run through long enough after the clean

Really confused at your attitude!