How much do you miss the pub?

Benimar

tylercheribini wrote: »

"There is an element in society (we can argue what % all day) who go to the pub to get p1ssed. "

Morality police in the house.

Morality police? For stating the fact that some people like to get p1ssed?

Do you not at least admit that people who are drunk are less likely to adhere to guidelines in general?

weldoninhio

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You’ll all be helping spread a virus so it’s not the same thing. The heroes who don’t give a **** are the ones who’ll keep this around in a big way.

Where did you get your crystal ball??

bucketybuck

joeguevara wrote: »

His best was near the beginning, he said more people die in swimming pools than Covid so why not ban swimming pools.

On Boards you would have a stream of people coming in to tell you that they don't swim and so swimming pools should be closed.

Benimar wrote: »

Morality police? For stating the fact that some people like to get p1ssed?

Do you not at least admit that people who are drunk are less likely to adhere to guidelines in general?

Would you admit that some people have had their social lives taken away from them wholesale and that it could be an issue?

Not everybody has a large family and group of friends to have house parties with, just as not everybody is a raging alcoholic desperate for a drink. There are other circumstances out there.

Benimar

bucketybuck wrote: »

On Boards you would have a stream of people coming in to tell you that they don't swim and so swimming pools should be closed.



Would you admit that some people have had their social lives taken away from them wholesale and that it could be an issue?

Not everybody has a large family and group of friends to have house parties with, just as not everybody is a raging alcoholic desperate for a drink. There are other circumstances out there.

Yes, and for those I do feel sorry and see an issue. However, the dominant view on here is that people don't want food as it impacts on their drinking...now those are the ones who you should be looking at when wondering why pubs can't open.

bucketybuck

Benimar wrote: »

Yes, and for those I do feel sorry and see an issue. However, the dominant view on here is that people don't want food as it impacts on their drinking...now those are the ones who you should be looking at when wondering why pubs can't open.

I think that is misplaced. Of course there are some losers who see nothing but the pint but lets be honest, most people wanting pubs open are more interested in the social aspect than the drink itself. And that social aspect has little to do with food, so they rightly say that they are not interested in the restaurant angle.

The hardcore winos are drinking anyway. And there will of course be some blowhards desperate to get out and sink 10 pints for whatever reason, but the vast majority just want to have a few drinks and meet people.

mountgomery burns

Benimar wrote: »

Yes, and for those I do feel sorry and see an issue. However, the dominant view on here is that people don't want food as it impacts on their drinking...now those are the ones who you should be looking at when wondering why pubs can't open.

I'd rather go to a pub and have 4 pints and come home. If I wanted food I'd go to a restaraunt. It's not dissimilar to being told you need to buy a large combo meal if you want to go to the cinema!

giveitholly

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I'd rather go to a pub and have 4 pints and come home. If I wanted food I'd go to a restaraunt. It's not dissimilar to being told you need to buy a large combo meal if you want to go to the cinema!

I would be the same as you,can't drink and eat a meal at the same time,all I would want is a couple of quiet pints in the local and then go home

Cork Boy 53

giveitholly wrote: »

I would be the same as you,can't drink and eat a meal at the same time,all I would want is a couple of quiet pints in the local and then go home

In that case you will have to wait until 20th July.

Cork Boy 53

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where did you get your crystal ball??

No crystal ball needed. Just basic common sense.

giveitholly

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In that case you will have to wait until 20th July.

No I won't,live in the country and a good few pubs opening up next week,on a busy night there would be hardly 20-30 people in them so will be easy control,most of the clientele would only be going out for a few pints anyway so no one will be getting mad drunk

fleet_admiral

giveitholly wrote: »

No I won't,live in the country and a good few pubs opening up next week,on a busy night there would be hardly 20-30 people in them so will be easy control,most of the clientele would only be going out for a few pints anyway so no one will be getting mad drunk

Doesn't matter. Unless they are serving food then they can't serve alcohol

jt69er

Sleety_Rain wrote:

Really confused at your attitude!

Sleety_Rain wrote:

I watched the 2nd Guinness line being cleaned , a lot of watery liquid went into bucket followed by very small amount if Guinness and then it was ready.

I don't have an attitude, I know what I'm talking about, you're making assumptions and casting aspersions on the technician not doing his job properly. The watery liquid you witnessed was exactly that, water, that is what the line cleaner is flushed out with, not Guinness as you seem to think! You say you seen a lot of water going into a bucket, that suggests the technician was doing his job properly.

Stormyteacup

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In that case you will have to wait until 20th July.

Yes, officially. But it’s another nonsense restriction.

Why can’t that poster phone his local, book a seat, stick to the time limit and distance restrictions, and enjoy a few pints without buying food?

Don’t see that pubs are less likely to abide by regulations than restaurants in this climate. There will always be the exceptions of course but that’s across the board in every industry.

When they decided to let pubs open from 29th, they should have just let them operate as pubs. Instead, they’ve tied themselves up in knots trying to regulate dozens of very different industries and can’t see the woods for the trees in trying to disentangle themselves.

When the vintners were lobbying to be allowed to open because restaurants were opening they should have just been told no, or yes but adhere to same restrictions as restaurants - the minimum food spend is an arbitrary nonsense.

Redo91

Benimar wrote: »

It's actually very simple. Most people go to a restaurant for a meal, and maybe a couple of drinks.

There is an element in society (we can argue what % all day) who go to the pub to get p1ssed. Having a number of drunk people with lower inhibitions in a confined space is way harder to 'police' in the sense of people staying seated, getting too close to others etc. Could you imagine trying to get them to leave after 105 minutes?! Or keeping track of who they have been in contact with?

As for your last comment, I'm sorry, but from next week pretty much is open except pubs, and if people need access to a pub to 'get on with our lives' then they have bigger issues to be dealing with.

Regarding policing the table service has it not occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, pubs will hire more staff to police it. For one they will need more bar staff serving drink since it will have to be brought to the table. They will also have to have more security or just general staff that will monitor the place and make sure people are obeying the restrictions. I thought it was fairly obvious extra staff would be needed but obviously that fact hasn’t occurred to everyone.

As for your last comment will come down from your high horse FFS! Did I say anything about wanting to go to the pub on my own for a few drinks? Then that would be an issue. The idea of going to the pub isn’t just about being able to drink. Fact of the matter is for the last few weeks/months we have only been able to see friends and family in people back gardens or houses. It would be nice to be able to see people in other social settings.

In terms of meeting up with a group after 6/7pm your options are fairly limited. Cafes will be closed so you only really have restaurants, pubs and cinemas. I’ve never really been a fan of going to the cinema with friends as it’s only really suitable for small groups and you can’t talk to each other during the film. As for going for a meal that can be quiet expensive. That leaves the pub. There is a big pub culture in this country and while I agree that has come negatives attached the positives largely outweigh the negatives.

So when I say some of us want to get on with ours lives being able to meet friends in a pub again is a massive part of that and does not implying someone has issues as you suggest. Like I said already it’s fair enough that some people like you are concerned and would rather stay at home but the majority of us at this stage want to get on with things and start meeting up with people again outside of our homes, and invariably that means going to the pub in some instances. We shouldn’t be held back by a minority.

Benimar

Redo91 wrote: »

Regarding policing the table service has it not occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, pubs will hire more staff to police it. For one they will need more bar staff serving drink since it will have to be brought to the table. They will also have to have more security or just general staff that will monitor the place and make sure people are obeying the restrictions. I thought it was fairly obvious extra staff would be needed but obviously that fact hasn’t occurred to everyone.

As for your last comment will come down from your high horse FFS! Did I say anything about wanting to go to the pub on my own for a few drinks? Then that would be an issue. The idea of going to the pub isn’t just about being able to drink. Fact of the matter is for the last few weeks/months we have only been able to see friends and family in people back gardens or houses. It would be nice to be able to see people in other social settings.

In terms of meeting up with a group after 6/7pm your options are fairly limited. Cafes will be closed so you only really have restaurants, pubs and cinemas. I’ve never really been a fan of going to the cinema with friends as it’s only really suitable for small groups and you can’t talk to each other during the film. As for going for a meal that can be quiet expensive. That leaves the pub. There is a big pub culture in this country and while I agree that has come negatives attached the positives largely outweigh the negatives.

So when I say some of us want to get on with ours lives being able to meet friends in a pub again is a massive part of that and does not implying someone has issues as you suggest. Like I said already it’s fair enough that some people like you are concerned and would rather stay at home but the majority of us at this stage want to get on with things and start meeting up with people again outside of our homes, and invariably that means going to the pub in some instances. We shouldn’t be held back by a minority.

Just to clarify, I don’t want to stay at home and I will be going to restaurants, cinemas, coffee shops etc from when they are open.

I’m merely pointing out why NPHET have concerns about opening pubs, concerns I share.

So maybe you need to get off your own high horse and not assume everyone who thinks opening pubs is a bad idea wants to ‘stay home’

Looking at the R number from a more disciplined place like Germany today, they might not be open again very long.

Santy2015

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Looking at the R number from a more disciplined place like Germany today, they might not be open again very long.

The reason the R number went up is because of a few meat factories were overwhelmed with the virus.
Strange that it seems to be those settings in a lot of countries causing the spikes in infection.
But again what Germany are doing is restricting the area not the country.

jt69er

ReginaldSmythV wrote:

Looking at the R number from a more disciplined place like Germany today, they might not be open again very long.

Not sure if you've read the full article but isn't as alarming as the headlines suggest.

stephenjmcd

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Looking at the R number from a more disciplined place like Germany today, they might not be open again very long.

Read the full article.

In general R in Germany is below or close to 1. Outbreaks in meat factories skewing the figures, thats mentioned by the Germans tonight.

completedit

Not it all. Irish people embracing outdoor culture and not having pubs influence our socialising. Long may it continue. Dublin was alive yesterday, the people have taken over the streets and suddenly the place has an energy and a culture to it which we've never had. I was drinking just out on the streets and nobody batted an eyelid. Brilliant. Enjoyed a coffee before moving onto some beers and mojitos, outrageous scenes.

joeguevara

completedit wrote: »

Not it all. Irish people embracing outdoor culture and not having pubs influence our socialising. Long may it continue. Dublin was alive yesterday, the people have taken over the streets and suddenly the place has an energy and a culture to it which we've never had. I was drinking just out on the streets and nobody batted an eyelid. Brilliant. Enjoyed a coffee before moving onto some beers and mojitos, outrageous scenes.

So on the one hand you are saying that puns don’t have an influence on socialising but immediately say you had beers and mojitos. Seems the influence is still there. Also, what culture was there. Effectively a load of people on the street bush drinking. People would be chastising vagrants for doing the same.

Apologies if the entirety of your post was sarcasm.

Cork Boy 53

completedit wrote: »

Not it all. Irish people embracing outdoor culture and not having pubs influence our socialising. Long may it continue. Dublin was alive yesterday, the people have taken over the streets and suddenly the place has an energy and a culture to it which we've never had. I was drinking just out on the streets and nobody batted an eyelid. Brilliant. Enjoyed a coffee before moving onto some beers and mojitos, outrageous scenes.

Sure you were doing all or indeed any of that.:rolleyes:

Cork Boy 53

joeguevara wrote: »

So on the one hand you are saying that puns don’t have an influence on socialising but immediately say you had beers and mojitos. Seems the influence is still there. Also, what culture was there. Effectively a load of people on the street bush drinking. People would be chastising vagrants for doing the same.

Apologies if the entirety of your post was sarcasm.

Clearly it was.

saabsaab

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

You are the one reacting.

Dont understand what I posted that's 'spouting rubbish'

All I was saying was that at the start of this year I was in a well known place in Dublin. Ordered pint of guinness, brought pint to my nose and smelled bleach , took a small sup and tasted dodge. I grew suspicious then looked towards the bar and noticed tap cleaning was in progress.

I'm simply warning people to be careful when next in the pub.

People have been killed or badly injured through poor controls when tap cleaning. The bar should be closed the day of it anyway and taps properly rinsed. A good bar man will always taste the beer coming out after a cleaning to ensure it is up to standard

Apologies for upsetting you

Are you saying that they were line leaning with the pub serving pints? Are they allowed do this I wonder.

freak scence

saabsaab wrote: »

Are you saying that they were line leaning with the pub serving pints? Are they allowed do this I wonder.

they are yep , diageo normally spilt lines into say yellow and blue , 50/50 so it doesn't impact business , and the lines can be blown by business before they do them the following day. So on a monday they do the blue lines, then back on tues for yellow.

jt69er

saabsaab wrote: »

Are you saying that they were line leaning with the pub serving pints? Are they allowed do this I wonder.

Yes they are. Where possible lines are cleaned outside trading hours however this is not always possible for various reasons.

completedit

joeguevara wrote: »

So on the one hand you are saying that puns don’t have an influence on socialising but immediately say you had beers and mojitos. Seems the influence is still there. Also, what culture was there. Effectively a load of people on the street bush drinking. People would be chastising vagrants for doing the same.

Apologies if the entirety of your post was sarcasm.

Pubs don't have a monopoly on drinking. Beers and drinks are great craic. And my point is it is great to see that mindset shift away from people having a few beers outside as being delinquents. In Czechia, I've seen families on Sunday strolls having a few beers while they walk around. We need to normalise alcohol in this country and stop seeing it through this puritanical lens where it has this taboo about it.

ShooterSF

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Why can’t that poster phone his local, book a seat, stick to the time limit and distance restrictions, and enjoy a few pints without buying food?

Honestly I can't see many people even doing that. If the government turned around tomorrow and said, ok forget the food part, the same people moaning would jump straight onto the "I'd like to see my local try and make me leave after 105 minutes" and actually (and I know it's just a meme) but I have seen enough of the public who know they are friends with barstaff on social media sharing that wolf of wall street meme of basically refusing to leave. Heck try and clear a pub at the end of a night and there's always a few that throw a tantrum.

saabsaab

freak scence wrote: »

they are yep , diageo normally spilt lines into say yellow and blue , 50/50 so it doesn't impact business , and the lines can be blown by business before they do them the following day. So on a monday they do the blue lines, then back on tues for yellow.

Could they make a mistake and serve from the wrong line?

jt69er

saabsaab wrote: »

Could they make a mistake and serve from the wrong line?

No.

ninebeanrows

jt69er wrote: »

No.

Why not? What is in place to stop it?

What if somebody just arrives on shift, takes an order and serves the pint to a table?

jt69er

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Why not? What is in place to stop it?

What if somebody just arrives on shift, takes an order and serves the pint to a table?

As I explained before when Diageo are cleaning lines they circulate detergent through the lines for 20 mins meaning all their taps are interconnected and cannot be poured.

mountgomery burns

bucketybuck wrote: »

I think that is misplaced. Of course there are some losers who see nothing but the pint but lets be honest, most people wanting pubs open are more interested in the social aspect than the drink itself. And that social aspect has little to do with food, so they rightly say that they are not interested in the restaurant angle.

The hardcore winos are drinking anyway. And there will of course be some blowhards desperate to get out and sink 10 pints for whatever reason, but the vast majority just want to have a few drinks and meet people.

Nail on the head, well said

freak scence

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Why not? What is in place to stop it?

What if somebody just arrives on shift, takes an order and serves the pint to a table?

interconnected with big **** off covers on them physically impossible to pull a pint

Redo91

Benimar wrote: »

Just to clarify, I don’t want to stay at home and I will be going to restaurants, cinemas, coffee shops etc from when they are open.

I’m merely pointing out why NPHET have concerns about opening pubs, concerns I share.

So maybe you need to get off your own high horse and not assume everyone who thinks opening pubs is a bad idea wants to ‘stay home’

Well to be fair you did suggest that people who, god forbid, saw being able to meet friends in a pub as being a part of moving on with their lives as having “issues”. If you thought that was somehow inappropriate as you suggested then that didn’t give the impression you’re the most sociable person. It was hardly a stretch on my part to think that.

I wouldn’t point to NPHET’s point of view to validate your stance. I read shortly after the restrictions were sped up a few weeks ago that LV went against their recommendations in doing. If they had their way we would be a lot slower easing restrictions than we already are. This beggars belief considering we are one of the he slowest (if not the slowest) countries to ease restrictions in Europe despite not being that badly hit compared to others (yes I know the initial restrictions played a significant part in that).

Essentially my point is there is no need to keep these restrictions in place at this stage. The restrictions did their job but shouldn’t be left in place any longer than needs be. People should be able to socialise together again as this has been allowed for weeks at this stage in other countries with no adverse impact.

nacho libre

Redo91 wrote: »

Essentially my point is there is no need to keep these restrictions in place at this stage. The restrictions did their job but shouldn’t be left in place any longer than needs be. People should be able to socialise together again as this has been allowed for weeks at this stage in other countries with no adverse impact.

That last bit is not quite true, is it? In some countries there has been a rise in cases since restrictions on gatherings have been eased.

Redo91

nacho libre wrote: »

That last bit is not quite true, is it? In some countries there has been a rise in cases since restrictions on gatherings have been eased.

Very few countries have seen rises that can be attributed to the easing of restrictions. People were panicking over an increase in the R rate in Germany but that’s been linked to outbreaks in a meat factory (nothing to do with easing of restrictions) and a religious gathering (this does but take away the meat factories and this outbreak has little or no impact on the R rate).

South Korea saw the outbreak in the nightclub in Seoul but I’m completely against nightclubs opening any time soon. I think they shouldn’t be open for a long, long time as I’d only be ok with places opening that can implement table service. Actually NPHET suggest that nightclubs wouldn’t be opening before 10th July which to me seems far too soon and also suggests that maybe pubs will open before the 20th July as surely they would open before nightclubs.

There was a recent outbreak in a market in China that was quickly shut down. I doubt they were adhering to social distancing which should obviously remain. Also, like South Korea, China is far more densely populated than here so not comparable.

So basically in countries that have eased restrictions quicker than us the cases have generally declined (or at worst stabilised) and any increase (only aware of Germany) had nothing to do with the easing of restrictions.

If there are other countries out there that have seen increases after easing restrictions then please point them out and I’ll stand corrected. If you were thinking of the examples I’ve given above then like I said they aren’t applicable or have nothing to do with the easing of restrictions.

ShooterSF

https://meathlive.net/2020/06/21/crowds-flout-health-guidelines-in-the-headfort-arms/

Doesn't seem to be getting much coverage nationally but this is shocking behaviour. Sad part is the hotel probably won't see any repercussions.

nacho libre

Redo91 wrote: »

Very few countries have seen rises that can be attributed to the easing of restrictions. .

But there has been some, which is what i said previously. Also you contradicated yourself slightly, you said there was no rise in cases linked to restrictions, but then mentioned countries where an increase in the r- rate can actually be linked to the easing of restrictions.

Also you forgot to include the state of Victoria in Australia, and of course America has seen cases rise with the easing of restrictions. The easing of restrictions does have some impact, but that impact will be greatly reduced with good Hygiene and with effective track and trace infrastructure.

Dickie10

this day next week the mad hatters tea party will be in full flow. absolute madness the messing thats going on with pubs opening. really should forget about the food thing and say all pubs that can safely do table service and thats that. my bet is that after a week of messing around all pubs will be allowed open on july 4th in line with northern ireland.

PTH2009

Love the publin youtube channel but my god its frustrating watching all those lovely places . Be a while before I'll be in the capital sadly

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

Love the publin youtube channel but my god its frustrating watching all those lovely places . Be a while before I'll be in the capital sadly

I'll be in week of 20th July. Looking forward to it before heading down the country for a few days.

Redo91

nacho libre wrote: »

But there has been some, which is what i said previously. Also you contradicated yourself slightly, you said there was no rise in cases linked to restrictions, but then mentioned countries where an increase in the r- rate can actually be linked to the easing of restrictions.

Also you forgot to include the state of Victoria in Australia, and of course America has seen cases rise with the easing of restrictions. The easing of restrictions does have some impact, but that impact will be greatly reduced with good Hygiene and with effective track and trace infrastructure.

Yes but as I pointed out the examples I gave of increases either weren’t caused by the easing of restrictions or the countries involved aren’t comparable to us. I asked you to give other examples of countries other than the ones I mentioned but you haven’t.

Not sure how I contradicted myself. China and South Korea (which like I said aren’t comparable) and then Germany as I said if you take away the meat plants then the increase from the religious gathering is negligible. Of course you might have a very slight increase in cases if you ease restrictions but the case numbers can fluctuate. The general trend in the likes of Spain and Italy that have eased restrictions is downward. Please let me know how I contradicted myself. I said the easing of restrictions wouldn’t have an adverse effect not that there wouldn’t be a very slight increase in cases.

Genuinely didn’t hear what happened in Victoria. Jesus Christ I can’t believe your mention America. They eased restrictions after a few weeks when many states still had new cases in the 1,000s each day. We had 4 today. I wouldn’t be calling for us to ease restrictions quicker if we had higher numbers.

Agree that tracking and tracing and good hygiene is key.

freak scence

Dickie10 wrote: »

this day next week the mad hatters tea party will be in full flow. absolute madness the messing thats going on with pubs opening. really should forget about the food thing and say all pubs that can safely do table service and thats that. my bet is that after a week of messing around all pubs will be allowed open on july 4th in line with northern ireland.

me hole if anything it will be put back

MickeyLeari

freak scence wrote: »

me hole if anything it will be put back

Why? Did something happen?

stephenjmcd

Just been having a look to see where is opening as a "restaurant" in Dublin city centre on the 29th.

Multiple places doing deals for around €30, 1 main or side whatever you want to call it and as much as you want to drink in 2hrs.

May as well just open up all of them

Utopia Parkway

ShooterSF wrote: »

https://meathlive.net/2020/06/21/crowds-flout-health-guidelines-in-the-headfort-arms/

Doesn't seem to be getting much coverage nationally but this is shocking behaviour. Sad part is the hotel probably won't see any repercussions.

Rural pub not far from us was raided 3 times by the Guards during April and May. They were open most Saturday nights for a select bunch of regulars.

nacho libre

Redo91 wrote: »

Yes but as I pointed out the examples I gave of increases either weren’t caused by the easing of restrictions or the countries involved aren’t comparable to us. I asked you to give other examples of countries other than the ones I mentioned but you haven’t.

.

I was not arguing if countries were comparable, rather your assertion that easing restrictions had no adverse impact in other countries.
I gave you examples where this happened South Korea, Australia and Germany(although it does look like the outbreak in Germany was due mainly to the meat plant ignoring guidelines) Something similar happened here

I consider an increase in the r rate to above 1 a potential adverse impact, especially if there is a 2nd wave as travel inwards and outwards starts increasing.


Although, we now hopefully have the infrastructure in place to contain a 2nd wave if it occurs.

El Weirdo

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Rural pub not far from us was raided 3 times by the Guards during April and May. They were open most Saturday nights for a select bunch of regulars.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in September when they go to renew their licence.

Dickie10

once their in the know with the right people they will be grand, shur its ireland. the little pub up the road from me was open a god bit too. never raided though, most people drink and drive home from it too and never gaurds near it. the local cop shop closed down around 7 years ago and its on the far reaches of the next area and they never drive out unless called to something.