How much do you miss the pub?

Utopia Parkway

Cona wrote: »

Once pubs open, will there still be the restrictions of having to book a table and will a time limit (2 hours or so) still be in place? I presume the counter seats will still be closed too?

Hard to keep track but I thought the time limit and the need to make a food order would be removed. Everything else remains as is for now.

jt69er

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

Are the Service Reps even employed by Heineken or is it outsourced like Guinness?

Yes they're employed directly.

PTH2009

gastropubs and hotel bars should be ok as they would have taps/stock sorted already

never_mind

Just booked Street 66/front lounge for next week for a friends 40th! They seem to think they’re opening anyway

HBC08

ShooterSF wrote: »

Owners of bars I've worked in are under the assumption that there is a meeting Wednesday and a final decision to be announced on Friday on whether they can reopen next Monday. This is understandably really frustrating as stock needs to be got, lines and bars need to be cleaned before reopening. Staff also have no idea if they are going back to work. A few are moving back reopening to the 26th which gives them next week to sort stuff out IF the date stays but doesn't commit them if it moves.

This limbo is leaving the pubs and staff in a bad situation.I don't see many being open on Monday, I'd say most will have to leave it till later in the week to get things in order.

Dickie10

just go to quiet pubs and im sure you can move around if theres only 6 or 7 on premises

ShyMets

Cona wrote: »

Once pubs open, will there still be the restrictions of having to book a table and will a time limit (2 hours or so) still be in place? I presume the counter seats will still be closed too?

There will be no requirement to order food. I suspect the time limit may be relaxed somewhat.

But beyond that I don't think there will be any other changes.

Benimar

ShyMets wrote: »

There will be no requirement to order food. I suspect the time limit may be relaxed somewhat.

But beyond that I don't think there will be any other changes.

I don’t think the time limit will be dropped. It’s a mitigating factor to allow tables to be only 1m apart. The 2 hours is actually in the definition of a close contact.

seamie78

The time limit is in place in my opinion so people have time to eat their meal but not stay on an all day session, if you apply a time limit to wet bars it would encourage pub crawls which from a public health perspective would be much riskier than people spending longer in one pub. Surely any time limit in Bars after the reopening would be madness

mountgomery burns

Enforcement of the time limit is already difficult for both pubs to manage and for authorities to inspect. A lot of pubs won't implement it even if it remains a guideline, and as mentioned it's counterintuitive on public health grounds also as it would encourage pub crawls.

Be very surprised if it remains.

spurshero

What I’m hearing is pubs will be closing earlier for the foreseeable . That there will be an announcement before Friday . The way most pubs are cleared by 10 and 11 pm now after food finishes is what they want to keep for a while . They don’t want thousands on tv streets at 2 am all drunk . Supposedly similar kind of 2 hour recommendations for non food pubs as well . Whether that will happen or not remains to be seen .

murpho999

I can't see the pubs opening as normal next week, it's just too early and not right.

seanl77

Barrels being delivered in my town this morning, can't understand how publicans can be expected to open with a couple of days notice.
Obviously orders have had to be processed, bar staff given rotas, pub cleaned and restocked, lines cleaned, covid signage and hand sanitiser stations installed. Silence is deafingly from our lame duck taoiseach, decision needs to be made. I know a lot of people have no sympathy for vintners in this country, but its simply not fair to order thousands of euros worth of stock mostly on a couple of weeks credit and have no idea if you are even allowed to sell them! Absolutely ridiculous

weldoninhio

spurshero wrote: »

What I’m hearing is pubs will be closing earlier for the foreseeable . That there will be an announcement before Friday . The way most pubs are cleared by 10 and 11 pm now after food finishes is what they want to keep for a while . They don’t want thousands on tv streets at 2 am all drunk . Supposedly similar kind of 2 hour recommendations for non food pubs as well . Whether that will happen or not remains to be seen .

What you’re hearing is nonsense. There is nothing making pubs close at 10/11 at the moment. My locals all stay open to closing.

El Weirdo

spurshero wrote: »

What I’m hearing is pubs will be closing earlier for the foreseeable . That there will be an announcement before Friday . The way most pubs are cleared by 10 and 11 pm now after food finishes is what they want to keep for a while . They don’t want thousands on tv streets at 2 am all drunk . Supposedly similar kind of 2 hour recommendations for non food pubs as well . Whether that will happen or not remains to be seen .

So they'll be on the streets 2 hours earlier instead?

Tenzor07

I think pubs will and should open, many have, those with Restaurant licenses, and the €9 plate of sausage and chips doesn't offer you more protection against covid than having none...

This isn't Spring Break in Florida, this isn't Magaluf either, Irish people are quite responsible..

Keep the pubs closed and watch house parties with dozens and dozens of people mingling in houses increase....

murpho999

weldoninhio wrote: »

What you’re hearing is nonsense. There is nothing making pubs close at 10/11 at the moment. My locals all stay open to closing.

Well they shouldn't be as the should only be open as restaurant and serving food so when kitchen closes then bar should close shortly after.

They'll eventually be caught and reprimanded if pubs don't open up as normal next week.

stephenjmcd

murpho999 wrote: »

Well they shouldn't be as the should only be open as restaurant and serving food so when kitchen closes then bar should close shortly after.

They'll eventually be caught and reprimanded if pubs don't open up as normal next week.

And ?? One of the places I go has full menu all day before 10pm. From 10 till 12 its chicken wings and stuff chicken dippers, chips, wedges that sort of stuff. Priced at guess what €9

So long as the kitchen is open for orders they stay open. Last orders around 12-12.30 out by 1 as usual.

MOH

Tenzor07 wrote: »

This isn't Spring Break in Florida, this isn't Magaluf either, Irish people are quite responsible..

Not from what I've seen over the past few months

stephenjmcd

spurshero wrote: »

What I’m hearing is pubs will be closing earlier for the foreseeable . That there will be an announcement before Friday . The way most pubs are cleared by 10 and 11 pm now after food finishes is what they want to keep for a while . They don’t want thousands on tv streets at 2 am all drunk . Supposedly similar kind of 2 hour recommendations for non food pubs as well . Whether that will happen or not remains to be seen .

sounds like non sense, not heard that from the publicans I know invovled in LVA.

Whats the difference between getting drunk people out at 11pm compared to 2am. Drunk is drunk

Tenzor07

MOH wrote: »

Not from what I've seen over the past few months

The "Dame Lane scandal" was all I saw...

I think it's highly unfair to treat Citizens like children and keep pubs closed, many rural areas it's the lifeline for many of the more elderly locals...

stephenjmcd

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The "Dame Lane scandal" was all I saw...

I think it's highly unfair to treat Citizens like children and keep pubs closed, many rural areas it's the lifeline for many of the more elderly locals...

And most of Dame Lane wasn't even the pubs fault. What can they do about bags of cans in the street

castletownman

And why is it too soon to move to the next phase, when its the same time period as it was between the other phases, and there was a more sustained "rush" when the likes of Penney's and other popular retail places re-opened?

Or is it because pubs are the big bad wolf.

Tenzor07

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And most of Dame Lane wasn't even the pubs fault. What can they do about bags of cans in the street

Exactly...

Either open the pubs and allow bar staff/security, the Gardai to regulate it... or keep them closed, increase home keg sales, house parties, public drinking in parks, illegal music parties....The arms of a lot of young people I see coming out of Off-licenses at times must be stretched from the weight of all the trays of Bud or Cider I see them haul out at the weekends...
Try calling the Gards to a lot of housing estates around Dublin and you'll have a very very long wait... Gards don't have the resources to break up house parties with dozens and dozens of drunk/drugged up party goers.

stephenjmcd

castletownman wrote: »

And why is it too soon to move to the next phase, when its the same time period as it was between the other phases, and there was a more sustained "rush" when the likes of Penney's and other popular retail places re-opened?

Or is it because pubs are the big bad wolf.

There was an initial busy first weekend for everything, woodies, pennys, McDonalds, everything was busy for the first weekend and then calmed down.

Yet pubs seem to take all of the flack and they aren't even open yet

stephenjmcd

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Exactly...

Either open the pubs and allow bar staff/security, the Gardai to regulate it... or keep them closed, increase home keg sales, house parties, public drinking in parks, illegal music parties....
Try calling the Gards to a lot of housing estates around Dublin and you'll have a very very long wait... Gards don't have the resources to break up house parties with dozens and dozens of drunk/drugged up party goers.

Yeah I dont understand this. To be honest im still in the age group where there's plenty of house parties on that I've been asked to, but I'd feel much more comfortable in a pub, its what would be classed as a "controlled environment", measures in place, distancing, hygiene and most importantly details for contact tracing.

Whereas house parties aren't controlled environments, if theres people there who I don't know, contact tracing isn't exactly easy with no contact logs there.

The Gardaí simply don't have the resources, you either open the pubs or house parties become bigger in numbers, which is worse.

murpho999

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And ?? One of the places I go has full menu all day before 10pm. From 10 till 12 its chicken wings and stuff chicken dippers, chips, wedges that sort of stuff. Priced at guess what €9

So long as the kitchen is open for orders they stay open. Last orders around 12-12.30 out by 1 as usual.

Ok, but be honest and do you think that's right?

People are only supposed to stay 105 minutes.

I was in a pub last week for lunch in Dun Laoghaire.

Whist food was available it was not being enforced and people were clearly there just for pints and the pub that is normally quiet felt like Christmas Eve.

I just felt it was wrong and asking for trouble. Social distancing just goes out the window when alcohol is consumed and that's the problem.

People have to take responsibility themselves and do the right things.

Packed pubs with drunken people next week is just not the way to go.

murpho999

castletownman wrote: »

And why is it too soon to move to the next phase, when its the same time period as it was between the other phases, and there was a more sustained "rush" when the likes of Penney's and other popular retail places re-opened?

Or is it because pubs are the big bad wolf.

People are not spending prolonged periods of time in Penneys or consuming alcohol and socialising like they would in pubs. It's a huge difference.

stephenjmcd

murpho999 wrote: »

Ok, but be honest and do you think that's right?

People are only supposed to stay 105 minutes.

I was in a pub last week for lunch in Dun Laoghaire.

Whist food was available it was not being enforced and people were clearly there just for pints and the pub that is normally quiet felt like Christmas Eve.

I just felt it was wrong and asking for trouble. Social distancing just goes out the window when alcohol is consumed and that's the problem.

People have to take responsibility themselves and do the right things.

Packed pubs with drunken people next week is just not the way to go.

Whats wrong with it ? If the kitchen is open then what's the problem. The 105 minute thing is pointless. Would you rather someone visit 3 pubs and if they're a postive case then you have 3 pubs to contact trace, if they stay in 1 place surely thats easier no ?? Does covid know the difference between 105 & 106, minutes and a €9 meal or not.

I've not been anywhere that has strictly enforced 105. If its busy and you've been in for a while you'll be asked to settle up the bill. If the table isn't booked then your fine.

I've not seen social distancing go out the window anywhere I've been, was out until 12.30 last Saturday night, everyone was at their own tables, only movement was to the toilets, table service, card payments, everything was quite comfortable. The pubs security staff were regularly walking around and anyone who was out of their seat was politely asked to return, didn't see any hassle. Gardai walked in at 11.30, walked around and left a few minutes later and they seemed happy.

There's not going to be "packed pubs" as you describe, anywhere that's open will have its limits. Anywhere not following the guidelines with distancing gets shut down as we've already seen happen.

You can't leave things shut down indefinitely, you need to give every industry a chance to operate safely

Tenzor07

murpho999 wrote: »

People are only supposed to stay 105 minutes.
I was in a pub last week for lunch in Dun Laoghaire.
Whist food was available it was not being enforced and people were clearly there just for pints and the pub that is normally quiet felt like Christmas Eve.
I just felt it was wrong and asking for trouble. Social distancing just goes out the window when alcohol is consumed and that's the problem.
People have to take responsibility themselves and do the right things.
Packed pubs with drunken people next week is just not the way to go.

Sorry but how is 105 mins protecting you from the virus, we are told by the WHO that it's 15 mins in close contact with an infected person which gives you the possibility of also being infected. It's a completely arbitrary unscientific guideline that some civil servant in Merrion st. came up with. While I get the reason NPHET introduced it, at the same time it has no basis in science.

Ok, so I went to the local pub/restaurant when it opened on the 29th and dutifully ordered my substantial meal and a pint... When I'd finished my food and ordered another pint the server cleared the table, should I then be paranoid that people may think I was flouting the rules!?

People are well aware of the situation and will act responsibility I believe, they don't need the rules rammed down their throats.
There will be close attention paid to any flouting of the guidelines from Bar staff and the Gardai, and I'm sure people will be asked to move on.

You'd swear that we were trying to return to the days of Caligula or something!

murpho999

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Sorry but how is 105 mins protecting you from the virus, we are told by the WHO that it's 15 mins in close contact with an infected person which gives you the possibility of also being infected. It's a completely arbitrary unscientific guideline that some civil servant in Merrion st. came up with. While I get the reason NPHET introduced it, at the same time it has no basis in science.

Ok, so I went to the local pub/restaurant when it opened on the 29th and dutifully ordered my substantial meal and a pint... When I'd finished my food and ordered another pint the server cleared the table, should I then be paranoid that people may think I was flouting the rules!?

People are well aware of the situation and will act responsibility I believe, they don't need the rules rammed down their throats.
There will be close attention paid to any flouting of the guidelines from Bar staff and the Gardai, and I'm sure people will be asked to move on.

You'd swear that we were trying to return to the days of Caligula or something!

You know WHO don't have to decide everything.

The 105 minutes is a simple time limit to restrict the time that people spend together in public places and exposure to other people whilst having a meal.

Remember it's restaurants that opened up in early July not pubs.

murpho999

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Whats wrong with it ? If the kitchen is open then what's the problem. The 105 minute thing is pointless. Would you rather someone visit 3 pubs and if they're a postive case then you have 3 pubs to contact trace, if they stay in 1 place surely thats easier no ?? Does covid know the difference between 105 & 106, minutes and a €9 meal or not.

I've not been anywhere that has strictly enforced 105. If its busy and you've been in for a while you'll be asked to settle up the bill. If the table isn't booked then your fine.

I've not seen social distancing go out the window anywhere I've been, was out until 12.30 last Saturday night, everyone was at their own tables, only movement was to the toilets, table service, card payments, everything was quite comfortable. The pubs security staff were regularly walking around and anyone who was out of their seat was politely asked to return, didn't see any hassle. Gardai walked in at 11.30, walked around and left a few minutes later and they seemed happy.

There's not going to be "packed pubs" as you describe, anywhere that's open will have its limits. Anywhere not following the guidelines with distancing gets shut down as we've already seen happen.

You can't leave things shut down indefinitely, you need to give every industry a chance to operate safely

The kitchen being open in a pub after 9 would be unusual and any one that is and just serving chicken dippers is clearly not a restaurant and just playing the game.

I have been in 3 pubs in the last 10 days. One in Dun Laoghaire, and it was bedlam on a Monday afternoon, people just skulling pints.

Another in Bray, more of a food orientated place. Temperature checked on entry, questions asked about symptoms and travels in previous 14 days. Table clearly distanced. Staff wearing shields.. Arrived at 8 and left at 10.30 as kitchen had closed. Bar served till 10 as kitchen closed at 9.30.

Then on Saturday in Sallins, in at 8 and we were asked to leave at 9.45. Gardai visited as well.

So have no problem with the last 2 but I do have a problem with the Dun Laoghaire one and I'd be sure the Gardai have clampled down on it by now, as it was just crazy and packed.

PaybackPayroll

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Sorry but how is 105 mins protecting you from the virus, we are told by the WHO that it's 15 mins in close contact with an infected person which gives you the possibility of also being infected. It's a completely arbitrary unscientific guideline that some civil servant in Merrion st. came up with. While I get the reason NPHET introduced it, at the same time it has no basis in science.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was based on something like a bivariate poisson distribution, with time and distance as parameters.

Coillte_Bhoy

spurshero wrote: »

What I’m hearing is pubs will be closing earlier for the foreseeable . That there will be an announcement before Friday . The way most pubs are cleared by 10 and 11 pm now after food finishes is what they want to keep for a while . They don’t want thousands on tv streets at 2 am all drunk . Supposedly similar kind of 2 hour recommendations for non food pubs as well . Whether that will happen or not remains to be seen .

Closing early makes no sense, its only going to be more likely to lead to house parties or crowds congregating on the streets drinking etc

Tenzor07

murpho999 wrote: »

You know WHO don't have to decide everything.
The 105 minutes is a simple time limit to restrict the time that people spend together in public places and exposure to other people whilst having a meal.
Remember it's restaurants that opened up in early July not pubs.

NPHET are supposed to take their guidance from the WHO, I mean Nphet is not full of medical staff at the cutting edge of their field, they are Govt. medical employees etc.. The WHO are the world authority on health, no matter what Trump says..

A lot of pubs have restaurant licenses these days.. Especially in Dublin city center...

I still haven't seen any articles showing the science behind the 105 mins?

Tenzor07

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Closing early makes no sense, its only going to be more likely to lead to house parties or crowds congregating on the streets drinking etc

Before Covid there was calls for increased opening hours, to allow Bars to stay open until say 5am... And Dublin Bus was going to bring in a 24 hour service on some routes, to avoid all the crowds outside pubs and everyone drinking too much before the place closed.

murpho999

Tenzor07 wrote: »

NPHET are supposed to take their guidance from the WHO, I mean Nphet is not full of medical staff at the cutting edge of their field, they are Govt. medical employees etc.. The WHO are the world authority on health, no matter what Trump says..

A lot of pubs have restaurant licenses these days.. Especially in Dublin city center...

I still haven't seen any articles showing the science behind the 105 mins?

The WHO offer advice not edicts. NPHET can follow, adapt or ignore anything they say.

Also, I don't think they have a specific policy about pubs in Ireland.

There's no science behind the 105 minutes , it's just a limit to restrict exposure and allow time for a meal.

I know about the licensing situation that's why some pubs are open now and it's fine if done right.

I just think it's too early for other pubs to be open unrestricted and people wandering from one to the other like they did before lockdown. Simple as that.

stephenjmcd

murpho999 wrote: »

The kitchen being open in a pub after 9 would be unusual and any one that is and just serving chicken dippers is clearly not a restaurant and just playing the game.

I have been in 3 pubs in the last 10 days. One in Dun Laoghaire, and it was bedlam on a Monday afternoon, people just skulling pints.

Another in Bray, more of a food orientated place. Temperature checked on entry, questions asked about symptoms and travels in previous 14 days. Table clearly distanced. Staff wearing shields.. Arrived at 8 and left at 10.30 as kitchen had closed. Bar served till 10 as kitchen closed at 9.30.

Then on Saturday in Sallins, in at 8 and we were asked to leave at 9.45. Gardai visited as well.

So have no problem with the last 2 but I do have a problem with the Dun Laoghaire one and I'd be sure the Gardai have clampled down on it by now, as it was just crazy and packed.

I'm from Bray and know of nowhere doing what you've described. Where were you in just out of a matter of interest ?

A kitchen being open after 9 is far from unusual, seeing as you were in Bray 90% of places have kitchens open until 10.

You call it playing the game, but are any rules being broken ?? They've always served food and continue to serve an offering after 10pm, no rules broken there so.

As for your people skulling pints down in Dun Laoghaire, had they had food before you came in ? Quite possibly.

So your on the same page with a bit of enforcement of distancing with regards to any establishment breaching the distancing, pubs can open yes?

I'm not trying to have a go but you've given 1 instance as to why an entire industry can't open. Need to give everywhere a chance to make a go of their business

Tenzor07

murpho999 wrote: »

The WHO offer advice not edicts. NPHET can follow, adapt or ignore anything they say.
Also, I don't think they have a specific policy about pubs in Ireland.
There's no science behind the 105 minutes , it's just a limit to restrict exposure and allow time for a meal.
I know about the licensing situation that's why some pubs are open now and it's fine if done right.
I just think it's too early for other pubs to be open unrestricted and people wandering from one to the other like they did before lockdown. Simple as that.

Now you're just splitting hairs, NPHET don't have any experience in the pub/restaurant industry either, so they take the medical advice from the WHO and other agencies.

People can book 4 tables in 4 separate Pub's with restaurant licences and wander around semi-freely, and isn't it better than people don't congregate in the same pub, and be allowed to move freely onto another Pub as the previous one may have become too crowded making social distancing impossible? Shouldn't they be allowed to go somewhere quieter without booking a table and paying for food?

stephenjmcd

At the end of the day covid doesn't know the difference between 15, 20, 105, 120 minutes in a pub nor the difference between a €9 meal or not.

The 105 was originally 90 and then changed a day later. Its plucked out of thin air

spurshero

El Weirdo wrote: »

So they'll be on the streets 2 hours earlier instead?

I don’t think same amount of people are going out at the moment as there would be if they can stay on bars till 2 am . Let’s wait and see .

murpho999

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm from Bray and know of nowhere doing what you've described. Where were you in just out of a matter of interest ?

A kitchen being open after 9 is far from unusual, seeing as you were in Bray 90% of places have kitchens open until 10.

You call it playing the game, but are any rules being broken ?? They've always served food and continue to serve an offering after 10pm, no rules broken there so.

As for your people skulling pints down in Dun Laoghaire, had they had food before you came in ? Quite possibly.

So your on the same page with a bit of enforcement of distancing with regards to any establishment breaching the distancing, pubs can open yes?

I'm not trying to have a go but you've given 1 instance as to why an entire industry can't open. Need to give everywhere a chance to make a go of their business

I was in Butler & Barry in Bray and they were very strict on entrance with modern scanners . I'm not making any of this up.

Their kitchen would generally close around 9.30.

Pubs serving an "offering" after 10, is playing the game just to keep punters in to drink pints and are just operating as a pub and are not within the rules.

The pub in Dun Laoghaire: I was there and people just came in and got pints, nobody was eating and there was no time restrictions mentioned. It was very obvious what was going on.

People were mingling and chatting with each other, distancing was gone out the window and was an indicator of what it could be like if other pubs just open unrestricted and I just think it's asking for trouble if all pubs open and people can just come and go.

spurshero

weldoninhio wrote: »

What you’re hearing is nonsense. There is nothing making pubs close at 10/11 at the moment. My locals all stay open to closing.

What area are u in . I’m galway city and I don’t see or here any after 11 . Basically an hour or so after food finishes . By the way who are you to say it’s nonsense ?? I could be right I could be wrong ... let’s wait till we see what the guidelines are over next couple days .

murpho999

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Now you're just splitting hairs, NPHET don't have any experience in the pub/restaurant industry either, so they take the medical advice from the WHO and other agencies.

People can book 4 tables in 4 separate Pub's with restaurant licences and wander around semi-freely, and isn't it better than people don't congregate in the same pub, and be allowed to move freely onto another Pub as the previous one may have become too crowded making social distancing impossible? Shouldn't they be allowed to go somewhere quieter without booking a table and paying for food?

Well you do know ultimately it's the government who make the decisions. WHO and NPHET simply offer advice.

I've heard scenarios of people doing as you describe, I think it's a small minority and also think it's a stupid thing to do just for the sake of drink.

castletownman

murpho999 wrote: »

People are not spending prolonged periods of time in Penneys or consuming alcohol and socialising like they would in pubs. It's a huge difference.

But pubs, and more importantly, clientele have been very compliant to the rules from what I have seen so far. And no pub is going to jeopardise itself by allowing people to run amok in it so soon after opening. There might be a swell of people you ordinarily wouldn't see on a Monday (myself included hopefully) but the majority of those will more than likely have experienced the current set-up at least once over the last three weeks and behave accordingly.

I have seen borderline alcoholics abide to the new measures, and we underestimate the stubborness of people who will "refuse" to go back to the pub until they are back to what they were. Acting the bollix will be tolerated a lot less now.

I have been dragged to Penneys and TK Maxx's by the woman over the last few weeks, and while there is queuing at the door, social distancing goes out the window in the aisles. Same in Lidl, Aldi or whatever supermarket you choose. I know it isn't the same as a pub setting, but I would feel safer sitting at a designated table in a bar than mingling in an aisle in a shop.

I can guarantee there will be no discernible increase in cases when/if pubs re-open. They aren't the mad houses they are depicted to be.

murpho999

castletownman wrote: »

But pubs, and more importantly, clientele have been very compliant to the rules from what I have seen so far. And no pub is going to jeopardise itself by allowing people to run amok in it so soon after opening. There might be a swell of people you ordinarily wouldn't see on a Monday (myself included hopefully) but the majority of those will more than likely have experienced the current set-up at least once over the last three weeks and behave accordingly.

I have seen borderline alcoholics abide to the new measures, and we underestimate the stubborness of people who will "refuse" to go back to the pub until they are back to what they were. Acting the bollix will be tolerated a lot less now.

I have been dragged to Penneys and TK Maxx's by the woman over the last few weeks, and while there is queuing at the door, social distancing goes out the window in the aisles. Same in Lidl, Aldi or whatever supermarket you choose. I know it isn't the same as a pub setting, but I would feel safer sitting at a designated table in a bar than mingling in an aisle in a shop.

I can guarantee there will be no discernible increase in cases when/if pubs re-open. They aren't the mad houses they are depicted to be.

When you're on a shop you're not spending a prolonged period of time in the company of people like you do in a pub.

There's no comparison.

Then throw alcohol into the equation and you can see it's a lethal mix.

So you're seeing borderline alcholics within the current time restrictions but imagine if those restrictions are not there if the pubs re-open that's where there's a probem.

Benimar

stephenjmcd wrote: »

At the end of the day covid doesn't know the difference between 15, 20, 105, 120 minutes in a pub nor the difference between a €9 meal or not.

The 105 was originally 90 and then changed a day later. Its plucked out of thin air

No its not.

Close contact in a confined space for over 2 hours makes you a close contact whether you know the person or not.

90 minutes was to allow time for one group to leave and tables to be cleaned before next group arrived. It was moved to 105 minutes as it was argued that 15 minutes was enough turn around time.

Fattybojangles

Open them back up to **** loads of places arent even attempting to abide by the 105 minute nonsense never mind all the hotels where 'residents ' are on the gargle all day a total nonsense and waste of garda resources.

MOH

Tenzor07 wrote: »

This isn't Spring Break in Florida, this isn't Magaluf either, Irish people are quite responsible..

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The "Dame Lane scandal" was all I saw...

I think it's highly unfair to treat Citizens like children and keep pubs closed, many rural areas it's the lifeline for many of the more elderly locals...

I never said anything about keeping the pubs closed.

I was in my local the Friday before they all closed, they were requesting card payments instead of cash, had hand sanitisers up at the entrance and beside the toilets, were wiping down tables as soon as anyone left. I was able to sit in peace and have a pint at a safe distance from other people. It was nearly a week later that supermarkets bothered introducing queuing - before then I was regularly getting crowded in them, especially at the tills. I'd felt far safer in the pub.
I'm fine with pubs opening, plus I'll be sticking to ones I know won't be full of idiots.

But the notion that "Irish people are quite responsible" is incredibly naive. There's been widespread flouting of the restrictions throughout the whole pandemic. People just ignore the rules that don't suit them, and try to find ways to justify it to themselves. There's no basis for claiming Irish people are in any way more responsible than anyone else.

PTH2009

I'm actually a bit scared of what farcical rules they could come up with