CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

Inquitus

Discodog wrote: »

Bad news for the much hoped for antibody test.

UK government admits Covid-19 antibody tests don’t work

https://www.ft.com/content/f28e26a0-bf64-4fac-acfb-b3a618ca659d

Aye sadly this is a case of too many suppliers skipping proper testing in a rush to market. I guess the company that develops an accurate test stands to profit in the many billions.

niallo27

the.red.baron wrote: »

What are the chances of that happening this is running riot through the population when we are able to do a bang up job of protecting all those in nursing homes as it is

Where do we cocoon them in space?

What's the alternative, lockdown the country for 2 years. I think we social distancing and light restrictions we can prevent this from running riot as you say.

patnor1011

Naggdefy wrote: »

Many people of 30 plus have a health condition. At first it may be asthma, depression, obesity. Diabetes, heart trouble and others come later.

I don't know what age you are but you will very likely develop a condition. You post as if there are the great unwashed and then you and a chosen cohort of the super healthy, 'better' people.

You should realise that people with a condition are all around you, work colleagues, neighbours, friends, family. By your bitter, boorish posting it's quite probable you have a condition.

And then quite a lot of these great unwashed with some other conditions simply cant stop working as they are one paycheck from eviction, hunger or cold. They simply cant quit their jobs as at 350 per week they are not going to make it and they cant even hope of getting full pay while out sick.
These are the people who cant be called "frontline workers" but rather cannon fodder people. All delivery workers, food production workers, shop assistants, cleaners....

duffman13

patnor1011 wrote: »

Then you do not understand it at all. Nobody and me included is saying "virus is not bad". Every virus is bad for you even cold or flu, convid19 included.
It is bad and pretty much close to death sentence for old people mainly if they already suffer from some other ailments.
Some younger people do suffer too while infected with it but majority of the people will be over it quite fast.
What we are doing while engaging in this fear p0rn is that many more people will suffer from this crazines around it that from virus itself.
Damage is already done and the longer this go on the deeper we fall.

Would you speculate why, even Donald Trump who has consistently prioritised the economy has endorsed a near economic shut down in the states? I am not going to argue with you on the mortality and danger of the virus as I, like most on here, are not educated to that degree. From working in supply of critical meds, the increase in palliative care meds being produced and distributed is huge which would lead me to believe that its quite a serious problem we face and not something I would describe as "fear porn"

patnor1011

the.red.baron wrote: »

What are the chances of that happening this is running riot through the population when we are able to do a bang up job of protecting all those in nursing homes as it is

Where do we cocoon them in space?

If you think that people in nursing homes are "cocooned" even now you are mistaken.

PokeHerKing

patnor1011 wrote: »

According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both.

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

Over 100 Italian front line medical staff gave died from Covid19. I doubt more than half were anywhere near 70.

Achasanai

niallo27 wrote: »

What's the alternative, lockdown the country for 2 years. I think we social distancing and light restrictions we can prevent this from running riot as you say.

Let's see how we fare with the restrictions with the good weather and extra long bank holiday coming up.

the.red.baron

niallo27 wrote: »

What's the alternative, lockdown the country for 2 years. I think we social distancing and light restrictions we can prevent this from running riot as you say.

They have locked it down so they can return it to normal in a controlled way

You don't go half arsed and then try to correct it after it doesn't work

GM228

Discodog wrote: »

These are single incidents relying on a test that, according to reports can be misinterpreted. Given the huge, worldwide, pet ownership I don't think the reports are valid & only cause panic. The Dogs Trust had lots of dogs handed in as the owners "read" that animals can transfer the virus.

They are valid and confirmed!

Most people I would guess are unaware that there is an animal version of the WHO known as the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE).

They confirmed the case and followed the subsequent further testing, 4 further tests also confirmed the virus, the dog was subsequently cleared of SARS-CoV-2 after a few weeks and released from quarantine and testing, but died two days later, it is not known however if the death was directly related to COVID-19.

https://www.oie.int/wahis_2/public/wahid.php/Reviewreport/Review?reportid=33762

The OIE were informed of a cat infection in Belgium also:-

https://www.oie.int/fileadmin/Home/eng/Our_scientific_expertise/docs/pdf/COV-19/Belgium_28.03.20.pdf

There is a question of cross contamination with the cat sample, and further testing is required.

patnor1011

duffman13 wrote: »

Would you speculate why, even Donald Trump who has consistently prioritised the economy has endorsed a near economic shut down in the states? I am not going to argue with you on the mortality and danger of the virus as I, like most on here, are not educated to that degree. From working in supply of critical meds, the increase in palliative care meds being produced and distributed is huge which would lead me to believe that its quite a serious problem we face and not something I would describe as "fear porn"

I do not care what Trump does. He is not the one who can really decide what is going to happen as there are always people behind the faces which are stuck out. He simply had to do it as pressure was bigger than he could handle.
Same is happening with Sweden right now. They are being pretty much bullied to follow the suit.
Your own experience with increased demand and distribution (if I can speculate) can be down to simple fact that this country ran for a long time in day to day style and perhaps now they simply try to increase stock to prepare for what may come? Just a thought.

the.red.baron

patnor1011 wrote: »

If you think that people in nursing homes are "cocooned" even now you are mistaken.

They are locked away from family and look at all the good it has done them

This is people solution this is where the number of people infected is low and it still managed to ravage it

Imagine if the whole country got it

It would overload the hospital's even without any old people

GM228

[Deleted User] wrote: »

mean is average

Mean and average are not quite the same, this is a common mistake made, they produce different results.

Edit: Yeap I made a **** up of that!

smelly sock

Achasanai wrote: »

Let's see how we fare with the restrictions with the good weather and extra long bank holiday coming up.

People need to cop on. Its called a garden.

Padraig Mor

GM228 wrote: »

Mean and average are not quite the same, this is a common mistake made, they produce different results.

You might want to hit the books mate. Mean is one type of average (you can have mean, median, or mode), and your calculation was completely wrong.

patnor1011

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Over 100 Italian front line medical staff gave died from Covid19. I doubt more than half were anywhere near 70.

Nobody is saying everyone who died is older than 70.
Nobody can also claim that by simply being "medical staff" means you are in perfect health.
Perhaps it is the same as that unfortunate nurse from UK which was being plastered all over media scaring people that even young "healthy" people can die.
Poor girl was seriously overweight which reduced her chance of survival.
Do you claim that none of those 100 you mention had any underlying medical conditions?

smelly sock

Things not looking good for Boris. Hopefully he pulls through.

patnor1011

the.red.baron wrote: »

They are locked away from family and look at all the good it has done them

This is people solution this is where the number of people infected is low and it still managed to ravage it

Imagine if the whole country got it

It would overload the hospital's even without any old people

Hospitals are overloaded with people who are scared and demand test and trewatment as soon as they sneeze. That is a fact reported by many doctors and this fear hype on steroids are making it even worse.
Now they rush to hospital even when they feel like they may sneeze.

GM228

Mingetoad wrote: »

You seem to be making a mistake there. Mean of 1,2,3,4,5 is 3 . (15/5 =3)

Average is 3, mean is 2.

Statisticians usually use mean to dictate the midrange in statiatics.

Edit: Yeap I made a **** up of that!

Doctor Jimbob

GM228 wrote: »

Average is 3, mean is 2.

Statisticians usually use mean to dictate the midrange in statiatics.

Stop digging.

Pencil Neck

GM228 wrote: »

The site however has a flaw, it states the average age is 81 based on the ISS report it cites, but the report is based on a mean age of 82 (women) and 78 (men).

Many make the mistake of thinking mean and averages are the same, they are not, for example 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 gives an average of 3, but a mean of 2.

Making an overall average of 81 for male and female out of a median for men and a separate median for women is complete guesswork.

I guess you did pass maths?

crossman47

GM228 wrote: »

Average is 3, mean is 2.

Statisticians usually use mean to dictate the midrange in statiatics.

What are you on about? The mean is an average and is 3 in this case. The median is another measure, the mid point, and also happens to be 3 in your example.

Achasanai

patnor1011 wrote: »

Hospitals are overloaded with people who are scared and demand test and trewatment as soon as they sneeze. That is a fact reported by many doctors and this fear hype on steroids are making it even worse.
Now they rush to hospital even when they feel like they may sneeze.

Hospitals where? You don't go to the hospital for a test (ring the GP and if applicable, an appointment is made at a test centre). Also, we had the CMO noting his concern that the hospitals were empty for people with normal issues that may require hospital care.

patnor1011

the.red.baron wrote: »

They have locked it down so they can return it to normal in a controlled way

That solely depends on what you perceive as "normal".

If you think that we are going back what it was before lockdown then sorry but that is not going to happen.
If you think 2008 was bad then you will see that that was just a walk in the park compared to what awaits all of us.

Pencil Neck

GM228 wrote: »

Average is 3, mean is 2.

Statisticians usually use mean to dictate the midrange in statiatics.

Seriously stop.

rm212

“ Finland’s government has extended and tightened border controls restricting travel to and from the country until 13 May in order to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus.

Finland had recorded 2,176 confirmed Covid-19 cases and 27 deaths by Tuesday“ (The Guardian)

I hope we can stay proactive like Finland. I think Austria and Denmark are loosening too early and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a wave 2 begin there. Finland are way, way lower than us in deaths but you see them tightening restrictions and extending them further. I’m glad they have more concern for lives than money.

Mingetoad

GM228 wrote: »

Average is 3, mean is 2.

Statisticians usually use mean to dictate the midrange in statiatics.

I think you need to re-read you basic statistics. You are mistaken.

Buddy97mm

GM228 wrote: »

Average is 3, mean is 2.

Statisticians usually use mean to dictate the midrange in statiatics.

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patnor1011

Achasanai wrote: »

Hospitals where? You don't go to the hospital for a test (ring the GP and if applicable, an appointment is made at a test centre). Also, we had the CMO noting his concern that the hospitals were empty for people with normal issues that may require hospital care.

Give it a week or two.
For your information - there is not much of a testing done these days anyway.
Just last week I had to call for ambulance 2 times as I simply could not explain to the people who demanded it that they do not need ambulance. Off they went only to come back couple hours later.

Bob24

rm212 wrote: »

I hope we can stay proactive like Finland. I think Austria and Denmark are loosening too early and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a wave 2 begin there. Finland are way, way lower than us in deaths but you see them tightening restrictions and extending them further. I’m glad they have more concern for lives than money.

You are probably right. Unless at the same time as loosening the in-country restrictions they have plenty of masks, tests, isolation facilities, ICU beds / ventilators, and have tight sanitary border checks in place.

I would doubt they have all of that, but I could be wrong.

patnor1011

rm212 wrote: »

“ Finland’s government has extended and tightened border controls restricting travel to and from the country until 13 May in order to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus.

Finland had recorded 2,176 confirmed Covid-19 cases and 27 deaths by Tuesday“ (The Guardian)

I hope we can stay proactive like Finland. I think Austria and Denmark are loosening too early and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a wave 2 begin there. Finland are way, way lower than us in deaths but you see them tightening restrictions and extending them further. I’m glad they have more concern for lives than money.

Do you think we are not in for second wave?