CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

New Home

Hens on strike. Just what we needed...

quokula

My milkman delivers eggs with the milk, always has. Been no change from usual for us.

FishOnABike

I think egg supplies were hit by an outbreak of bird flu around the beginning of March.

https://www.anglocelt.ie/news/farming/articles/2020/03/11/4187048-farmer-culls-450000-chickens-due-to-bird-flu/

Apart from limited supplies of local free range eggs, eggs have been scarcer than toilet roll or pasta for the last few weeks. I've only started to see them back on the shelves in any numbers in the last week.

Rob A. Bank

WHO-China Joint Mission International Members

Bruce AYLWARD Team Lead WHO-China Joint Mission on COVID-19, Senior Advisor to the Director-General, World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland
Tim ECKMANNS Head of Unit, Healthcare-associated Infections, Surveillance of Antibiotic Resistance and Consumption, Robert Koch Institute, Berlin, Germany
Dale FISHER Professor of Medicine, Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, National University of Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
Chikwe IHEKWEAZU Director General, Nigeria Centre for Disease Control, Nigeria Centre for Disease Control, Abuja, Nigeria
Clifford LANE Clinical Director, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, US National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, United States
Jong-Koo LEE Professor of Family Medicine, Seoul National University College of Medicine, Seoul, Republic of Korea
Natalia PSHENICHNAYA Head of International Department and Consultant, Center of Infectious Diseases, National Medical Research Center of Phthisiopulmonology and Infectious Diseases, Moscow, Russia
Aleksandr SEMENOV Deputy Director, Saint Petersburg Pasteur Institute, Saint Petersburg, Russia
Hitoshi TAKAHASHI Senior Research Scientist, Influenza Virus Research Center, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, Tokyo, Japan
Maria VAN KERKHOVE Head of Unit, Emerging Diseases & Zoonoses, Global Infectious Hazard Preparedness, World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland
Jun XING Head of Unit, Country Capacity for International Health Regulations, Health Security Preparedness, World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland
Weigong ZHOU Medical Officer, Influenza Division, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, United States

Above are the international members of the WHO team which went to China to investigate the Covid-19 Pandemic. They were allowed to go wherever they wanted to go in China during their investigation. The team began in Beijing and then split into two groups that, all told, traveled to Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Chengdu, and the hardest hit city, Wuhan. They visited hospitals, laboratories, companies, wet markets selling live animals, train stations, and local government offices.

Their report was unequivocal. “China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic,” it says. “This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real.”

To suggest that the wool was pulled over the eyes of the world's best infection experts is quite frankly ridiculous. The epidemic in China followed the normal expected infection curve, as can be seen when Dr Bruce Aylward presented their findings.



The shutdown was real too, as can be seen from air pollution on the satellite images.



The Chinese draconian measures delayed the spread of this nasty virus for about a month. If all the infected Chinese had spread out all over the world at the end of their Lunar New Year... we would have had Italy on steroids everywhere, without the time to prepare, about a month ago.

The evidence suggests China has been truthful about this new virus, even though they have been economical with the truth about other issues.

So enough of this Sinophobic sh*t which appears on practically every page on this board... "you can't believe a word they say" etc. etc.

the.red.baron

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There wasn’t an egg to be got in Loughrea or Athenry yesterday.thats fact.

What was the flour situation?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Wibbs wrote: »

G, I would be in full agreement if the HSE were saying this kinda thing in January, but that video was from March, when far more was known and every health authority was saying this is no flu. Yet the HSE expert in this couldn't even get the basic Covid19 symptoms right. Watch the video. He says symptoms like runny nose and sore throat, two symptoms that only present in tiny percentages and that has been specifically known and published widely since early January. Indeed in general the advice elsewhere was that if you did have a snotty nose it probably wasn't covid19. You'd swear he was talking about a head cold.

No, based on a UK study, it's been observed that runny nose was present in nearly 40% of cases in the cohort and sore throat in over 40%. This study is from the end of March but doctors may have anecdotally known about it way before it was made public.

In fact, a whole litany of symptoms have now been observed and many of them are not only there in tiny percentages at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQynSSQJUnw

Here's a screengrab of the noted symptoms. Note the percentages:

Hamsterchops

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Hi guys. Sorry if this is a stupid question. I just keep hearing different things. But an increase / surge of covid is expected soon right?

Well it was expected, but I'm not so sure now?
We've possibly plateaued already?

bekker

crossman47 wrote: »

Opposition was in fact led by the medical consultants who got the church on board

The medical profession's economic self-interest was cloaked in opposition to 'creeping socialism', which they milked for all it was worth, but they were stoking real fears amongst the wider conservative population.

This all took place in the context of virtual nationalisation of health in the creation of the NHS in the UK, the hangover from the Spanish Civil War, and the spread of Communism on the Continent. All of which were red flags for FG's base, it was O'Higgins of FG who led the fight in the Dáil.

The RC church's actual official position was limited to the issue of birth control, but individual politicians and bishops fed off each other.

Just outlining the wider context.

Doctors room ghost

the.red.baron wrote: »

What was the flour situation?

Plain only.no self raiser to be got.

Fallschirmjager

Bobtheman wrote: »

First wave ? Please clarify?

the 1918 pandemic came in 3 waves (i had always heard it was worse in 1919, judging by this graph it was worse in late 1918). the first rise on the left is where we are now (if you were to match with covid) -- the middle giant rise is when the rumoured to be mutated version appeared (ie. flu season in September). the 1918 virus struck people between the rough ages of 16 to 35 (thats from memory). its one of the reasons some thought the 1918 pandemic was so deadly, it largely left young and old with a flu and killed people in their productive stage. SO when you hear this is just a boomer killer and there is no need to be worried....well think again, its not guaranteed to stay that way. Oh any by the way it only really started to disappear in 1920, so to the people who think its a nothingburger....well history says otherwise.



edit: there was also a following issue called the great sleepy sickness (some think related others not). a lot of people went into a coma (again from memory) and then came out of it, other didnt...ever . there was a famous book on people who were 'revived' in the 1960's due to medical advances. most woke up not realising it is 40 years later....

mandrake04

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no way the current restrictions can last until September. The admissions to ICU are stable indicating we are gaining control of the situation. If the current restrictions last until September the damage done will out weigh the cure. For one, 75% of elective procedures have been postponed, once we hit 6 months a lot of these will become critical and we will have a new health emergency. This is before we even talk about the psychological and economic damage

You definitely need to break eggs to make an omelette, not burying your head in sand hoping it’s all going go away.

The longer you soft cock around the longer it’s going go on for, and you drag it out. This Pandemic hasn’t even started yet, it’s only up 1.3m, at least about 60% of the world population is estimated to get it so there’s a bit left in the tank yet.

the.red.baron

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Plain only.no self raiser to be got.

feckin 5g at it again

self raising is just lazy

polesheep

New Home wrote: »

Hens on strike. Just what we needed...

Send a hen to every household in the country and let them work from home.

tobefrank321

Wibbs wrote: »

G, I would be in full agreement if the HSE were saying this kinda thing in January, but that video was from March, when far more was known and every health authority was saying this is no flu. Yet the HSE expert in this couldn't even get the basic Covid19 symptoms right. Watch the video. He says symptoms like runny nose and sore throat, two symptoms that only present in tiny percentages and that has been specifically known and published widely since early January. Indeed in general the advice elsewhere was that if you did have a snotty nose it probably wasn't covid19. You'd swear he was talking about a head cold.

Never mind the asymptomatic spread which was already known too. The first British "superspreader" was in late January, by mid February German authorities had found one of their superspreaders who was asymptomatic. In Korea they found more again before that. Yet in early March our HSE was advising that if you lived with a potential Covid contact, that unless they had symptoms like a runny nose and sore throat[facepalm] you should live your life as normally as possible.

Plus the HSE were only doing contact tracing from the day symptoms first appeared. They only changed this last week to two days before symptoms first appeared. More basic mistakes from them.

I will never understand how they completely ignored the issue of asymptomatic spreaders when it was a widely broadcast in coverage of the earliest outbreaks in Asia.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

No, based on a UK study, it's been observed that runny nose was present in nearly 40% of cases in the cohort and sore throat in over 40%. This study is from the end of March but doctors may have anecdotally known about it way before it was made public.

In fact, a whole litany of symptoms have now been observed and many of them are not only there in tiny percentages at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQynSSQJUnw

Here's a screengrab of the noted symptoms. Note the percentages:

That's the problem though, it runs the gamut of every bodily response to harm. It started off as stay one meter apart, then it's two. Then you have to have two symptoms, cough and fever. now they've thrown in Chills as well as fever in the latest warning sheets. Then they had secured a substantial load of PPE NOW the substantial is actually sub standard in 20% of the cases. they knew many European countries had been returning PPE to China and yet they roll out Paul Reid to say "we don't want faulty PPE" as though he's addressing China over our airwaves...****ing bizarre pantomime of a shambles so it is.

quokula

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

the 1918 pandemic came in 3 waves (i had always heard it was worse in 1919, judging by this graph it was worse in late 1918). the first rise on the left is where we are now (if you were to match with covid) -- the middle giant rise is when the rumoured to be mutated version appeared (ie. flu season in September). the 1918 virus struck people between the rough ages of 16 to 35 (thats from memory). its one of the reasons some thought the 1918 pandemic was so deadly, it largely left young and old with a flu and killed people in their productive stage. SO when you hear this is just a boomer killer and there is no need to be worried....well think again, its not guaranteed to stay that way. Oh any by the way it only really started to disappear in 1920, so to the people who think its a nothingburger....well history says otherwise.

This virus is not a flu, initial evidence is that it doesn't mutate very much, and there's little evidence so far to say if it is seasonal either. So not many of the same factors are in play for there to be "waves" like the Spanish Flu - more likely we'll see the curve going up and down in relation to easing and tightening of restrictions.

Toffeeboy

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-stake-company-hydroxychloroquine-112913777.html

Gynoid

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Plain only.no self raiser to be got.

All flour is difficult to get as far as I noticed. Self raising somewhat less difficult, you are correct. I guess those Kazakhstani chicks were on the money when they said their country, one of the biggest exporters of flour in the world, had stopped the export of flour and wheat.

Wibbs

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

No, based on a UK study, it's been observed that runny nose was present in nearly 40% of cases in the cohort and sore throat in over 40%. This study is from the end of March but doctors may have anecdotally known about it way before it was made public.

Sorry O, I don't buy it. When you're talking about symptoms of any disease you run with the major ones first, especially those that are much more prevalent in a particular disease, not the ones that are present in lower percentages and common in other illnesses especially in cold and flu season. And for this illness the major ones are fever, cough, difficulty breathing(in later stages) and latterly it's been found that loss of taste and smell is very common. A symptom that isn't even on that list. When they made that statement the "big three" were the ones. I mean if this was bubonic plague you'd run with the lymph swelling and fever, not the lesser symptoms.

the.red.baron

rusty cole wrote: »

That's the problem though, it runs the gamut of every bodily response to harm. It started off as stay one meter apart, then it's two. Then you have to have two symptoms, cough and fever. now they've thrown in Chills as well as fever in the latest warning sheets. Then they had secured a substantial load of PPE NOW the substantial is actually sub standard in 20% of the cases. they knew many European countries had been returning PPE to China and yet they roll out Paul Reid to say "we don't want faulty PPE" as though he's addressing China over our airwaves...****ing bizarre pantomime of a shambles so it is.

advice changes over time as the situation develops


they don't want faulty PPE


China is the only player they could get it off


what do you want them to do

tobefrank321

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

No, based on a UK study, it's been observed that runny nose was present in nearly 40% of cases in the cohort and sore throat in over 40%. This study is from the end of March but doctors may have anecdotally known about it way before it was made public.

In fact, a whole litany of symptoms have now been observed and many of them are not only there in tiny percentages at all.

Runny nose is generally one of the final stages of a flu, when you are coming out of it, and after your body has successfully fought it off. Not sure at what stage it applied to covid19, but if you were at the runny nose stage, you were probably near the end of it or had a mild version of it. Sore throat, persistent cough and high temperature seems to be the more common early signs of covid19.

And if you had covid 19 with a runny nose and were scheduled for a test, you might even turn out negative given the test delays.

Wibbs

quokula wrote: »

This virus is not a flu, initial evidence is that it doesn't mutate very much, and there's little evidence so far to say if it is seasonal either. So not many of the same factors are in play for there to be "waves" like the Spanish Flu - more likely we'll see the curve going up and down in relation to easing and tightening of restrictions.

Plus we're a lot farther ahead in medical knowledge, technology and treatments than back then. If that had hit today it would still be a killer, but the opportunistic secondary bacterial infections would have been mostly taken off the list of causes of death. Plus we also have antivirals for influenza.

Pretzill

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-more-striking-evidence-bcg-vaccine-might-protect-against-covid-19-1.4222110


This has probably been posted before - the thread moves so fast - very interesting research into the BCG programme and it's protection against the virus.

Rob A. Bank

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

the 1918 pandemic came in 3 waves (i had always heard it was worse in 1919, judging by this graph it was worse in late 1918). the first rise on the left is where we are now (if you were to match with covid) -- the middle giant rise is when the rumoured to be mutated version appeared (ie. flu season in September). the 1918 virus struck people between the rough ages of 16 to 35 (thats from memory). its one of the reasons some thought the 1918 pandemic was so deadly, it largely left young and old with a flu and killed people in their productive stage. SO when you hear this is just a boomer killer and there is no need to be worried....well think again, its not guaranteed to stay that way. Oh any by the way it only really started to disappear in 1920, so to the people who think its a nothingburger....well history says otherwise.



edit: there was also a following issue called the great sleepy sickness (some think related others not). a lot of people went into a coma (again from memory) and then came out of it, other didnt...ever . there was a famous book on people who were 'revived' in the 1960's due to medical advances. most woke up not realising it is 40 years later....

That was an influenza virus, which is known to mutate very frequently, so the second wave was far more deadly. That frequent mutation is why we need a new vaccine for it each year.

The present Covid-19 virus seems to be fairly stable and without significant mutations which would make it more lethal so far, according to Virologists.

Let us hope it stays that way.

the.red.baron

Wibbs wrote: »

Sorry O, I don't buy it. When you're talking about symptoms of any disease you run with the major ones first, especially those that are much more prevalent in a particular disease, not the ones that are present in lower percentages and common in other illnesses especially in cold and flu season. And for this illness the major ones are fever, cough, difficulty breathing(in later stages) and latterly it's been found that loss of taste and smell is very common. A symptom that isn't even on that list. When they made that statement the "big three" were the ones. I mean if this was bubonic plague you'd run with the lymph swelling and fever, not the lesser symptoms.

can we have access to all the press conferences you have done about the covid-19 in the last 3 months so we can pour over it


he listed some symptoms, he didn't say they were all of them, he just used them as examples


there were plenty of places available to look these up at the time and there still is


someones already said they are symtoms in close to 50% of cases


I don't know what your problem is

tobefrank321

The BCG vaccine story seems to have a few holes in it.

The UK had a similar program to our own, yet they have suffered badly from covid 19.

However even if it showed promise, its still 3-6 months before its rolled out and even then it would be limited.

1641

bekker wrote: »

The medical profession's economic self-interest was cloaked in opposition to 'creeping socialism', which they milked for all it was worth, but they were stoking real fears amongst the wider conservative population.

This all took place in the context of virtual nationalisation of health in the creation of the NHS in the UK, the hangover from the Spanish Civil War, and the spread of Communism on the Continent. All of which were red flags for FG's base, it was O'Higgins of FG who led the fight in the Dáil.

The RC church's actual official position was limited to the issue of birth control, but individual politicians and bishops fed off each other.

Just outlining the wider context.

Yes, the Irish Medical Association were bigger culprits than the Church. They used medics who were members of the Knights of Columbanus to feed the lines of opposition to the Church.


But just to note that the biggest political betrayer of Noel Browne was his own party leader, Sean McBride. And also to note that the Mother and Child scheme was originally introduced to the Dail as part of Fianna Fail's Health Bill in 1947 led by Minister James Ryan. Noel Browne took it up as minister in the new coalition government of 1948.
https://www.theirishstory.com/2013/06/19/the-controversy-of-womens-health-the-mother-and-child-scheme-the-role-of-church-and-state/

eagle eye

polesheep wrote:

By that stage you would more likely be a victim of the riots than of Covid-19.

No, the intelligent people will stay indoors while the idiots riot and pick up covid-19. A certain percentage of them die and we end up with a more intelligent race nation. Not a bad outcome.

Arghus

If you want a blast from the past I recommend going back and having a read through the first Coronavirus mega-thread.

It's hillarious and also depressing watching most of our blase attitudes. Just goes to show that the majority of people posting on here - myself included - don't really have a clue what we are spouting on about.

Call Me Jimmy

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

WHO-China Joint Mission International Members


Above are the international members of the WHO team which went to China to investigate the Covid-19 Pandemic. They were allowed to go wherever they wanted to go in China during their investigation. The team began in Beijing and then split into two groups that, all told, traveled to Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Chengdu, and the hardest hit city, Wuhan. They visited hospitals, laboratories, companies, wet markets selling live animals, train stations, and local government offices.

Their report was unequivocal. “China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic,” it says. “This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real.”

To suggest that the wool was pulled over the eyes of the world's best infection experts is quite frankly ridiculous. The epidemic in China followed the normal expected infection curve, as can be seen when Dr Bruce Aylward presented their findings.



The shutdown was real too, as can be seen from air pollution on the satellite images.



The Chinese draconian measures delayed the spread of this nasty virus for about a month. If all the infected Chinese had spread out all over the world at the end of their Lunar New Year... we would have had Italy on steroids everywhere, without the time to prepare, about a month ago.

The evidence suggests China has been truthful about this new virus, even though they have been economical with the truth about other issues.

So enough of this Sinophobic sh*t which appears on practically every page on this board... "you can't believe a word they say" etc. etc.

There is not and will never be anything sinophobic about questioning the Chinese government in its current form.