CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

CIARAN_BOYLE

owlbethere wrote: »

There's now 50 nursing home clusters.

How is this happening?

I do feel that a culture of contract care assistants and nurses working in different nursing homes would have a massive effect on the spread.

I understand this has stopped now but it takes a long time to feed through to the numbers.

There is suggestion that the smoking gun symptom (ie fever) happens less in older people as fever is often an immune response.

Phoebas

owlbethere wrote: »

There's now 50 nursing home clusters.

How is this happening?

Because in nursing homes people live in close proximity and have close contact with staff who themselves are coming and going from the nursing homes.
Add to that that residents of nursing homes are a a high risk group and up to a week or so ago would have being having family members visit and it's almost inevitable that we would be seeing clusters.

Naggdefy

is_that_so wrote: »

But it is fair to say that the rate of increase has fallen quite a bit for them.

Deaths or cases?

Italy maxed out in cases 2 weeks ago at around 6,100 and 880 deaths.

It went down to 4,100 cases but is staying stubbornly at 4,500-4,600 now. Deaths fell to below 700 yesterday.

I think France and Spain are a little soon to say. Just the come down from peak is terribly slow, with a lot of deaths. And as Kermit said that's with a lid on things.

Worztron

When's the lock-down due to end? Fri 10-Apr?

bekker

cameramonkey wrote: »

50 percent of the documented COVID-19 cases are asymptomatic cases,

https://promarket.org/why-mass-testing-is-crucial-the-us-should-study-the-veneto-model-to-fight-covid-19/

Thanks for links, think I'll stick with the ~50%. AFAIR both of those were swab based with the usual shedding volume related error rates, same with Icelandic but it it's based on a far larger sample, 5x ROK tests.

GM228

Critical care occupancy, have a look at Fergal's other Tweets at the data posted, no doubt will be released to the public at some stage.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1246784052784435202?s=19

laurah591

Phoebas wrote: »

Because in nursing homes people live in close proximity and have close contact with staff who themselves are coming and going from the nursing homes.
Add to that that residents of nursing homes are a a high risk group and up to a week or so ago would have being having family members visit and it's almost inevitable that we would be seeing clusters.

Must be a month since most homes stopped family visits, clusters must be coming in with staff, external medics and or people been released from hospitals

GM228

Worztron wrote: »

When's the lock-down due to end? Fri 10-Apr?

12th (at the moment).

caveat emptor

Thanks for heavily editing my post which requires significant error to put back in context.

I've highlighted something that you said 10 days ago see below. If you knew they needed this, didn't have it and would most likely need training. How did they not?

• How did you know that we didn't have required PPE?
• How are you now saying "How were they to know that training required?

Doesn't add up.

khalessi wrote: »

In the past the traditional ppe was used for the likes of MRSA cases and consisted of plastic gloves, the blue pleated masks and a white plastic apron and sometimes a plastic eyemask. In theatre they wore full gowns. These would have been ordered frequently and the hospitals would have lots in stock.

But the full hazmat gear required for Covid19 would not have been in huge supply. From what I've seen they need goggles, and the masks(which have to be changed frequently and are different to the blue pleated ones) stronger gloves which are also changes frequently so these stocks have to be built up.

Considering there is a run on these globally that would take time.

podgeandrodge

Wolf359f wrote: »

Let's hope it works on both apple and Android. Have visions of the UK government with their settled status app for EU citizens not working on either apple or Android!

An apple is likely to be much better for you right now than a lollipop, kitkat or pie etc.

bekker

Phoebas wrote: »

Because in nursing homes people live in close proximity and have close contact with staff who themselves are coming and going from the nursing homes.
Add to that that residents of nursing homes are a a high risk group and up to a week or so ago would have being having family members visit and it's almost inevitable that we would be seeing clusters.

Don't understand how Dept of Health overlooked or missed the cross-contamination problem of staff working concurrently in a number of nursing homes (and in some cases hospitals).

Anyone who visited residents in such establishments quickly became aware of it the practice.

kingbhome

GM228 wrote: »

12th (at the moment).

Can't see it going back to normal on the 12th

wakka12

Is there a proper lockdown in Turkey right now like in Europe or what? Cases there have grown by 2000% over the last fortnight. First confirmed cases was 3 weeks ago and now 24k cases, 9th most in the world, along with the US it is by far the fastest growth in the world

Cork Boy 53

Worztron wrote: »

When's the lock-down due to end? Fri 10-Apr?

The current lockdown period comes to an end next Sunday but it`s almost certain that it will be extended for at least another 2 weeks beyond then.

Funsterdelux

Worztron wrote: »

When's the lock-down due to end? Fri 10-Apr?

I heard it mentioned before, July 19th.

For anyone wondering how the next 12-18 months might look like

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khalessi

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks for heavily editing my post which requires significant error to put back in context.

I've highlighted something that you said 10 days ago see below. If you knew they needed this, didn't have it and would most likely need training. How did they not?

• How did you know that we didn't have required PPE?
• How are you now saying "How were they to know that training required?

Doesn't add up.

I didnt edit your post \i added my answers

khalessi

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks for heavily editing my post which requires significant error to put back in context.

I've highlighted something that you said 10 days ago see below. If you knew they needed this, didn't have it and would most likely need training. How did they not?

• How did you know that we didn't have required PPE?
• How are you now saying "How were they to know that training required?

Doesn't add up.

THe gowns I was referring to in my post were not those that were sent. These jumpsuit coverall are more complicated to put on then what they expected to arrive





oh and how did I know is becuase I spent 20 years nursing and I know the gear they had and am also in contact with my fellow nurses

Cork Boy 53

kingbhome wrote: »

Can't see it going back to normal on the 12th

No chance that things will be getting back to what was considered normal for a long time to come.

Naggdefy

kingbhome wrote: »

Can't see it going back to normal on the 12th

Exactly. A week from today our cases won't be low enough.

I don't know what an acceptable new number of daily cases is?

10? 20? How our perspective changes. They would have been huge numbers up to 10th March or so.

Ficheall

ZX7R wrote: »

The issue regards supermarket started by an English professor ,then it was picked up by some health organization that I never heard of.
The world health organization is of the opinion on the matter is that spread in supermarkets is inconclusive at the present time and more investigation is needed.

And the WHO would never be tardy in getting their act together and acknowledging that something was a problem..

Corkgirl20

GM228 wrote: »

Critical care occupancy, have a look at Fergal's other Tweets at the data posted, no doubt will be released to the public at some stage.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1246784052784435202?s=19

When it says the Mater does that means all Mater hospitals ? I don’t see a separate for Mater Cork or Mater Dublin.

Others wise between the bons and cuh Cork only has 7 people in ICU is this correct ?

Gynoid

Levity Interlude...

https://twitter.com/JonathanPieNews/status/1246790561123753984?s=19

An Ciarraioch

Slight improvement in the UK - 621 deaths today, compared to 708 yesterday:

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1246791324231176193

Jim_Hodge

Worztron wrote: »

When's the lock-down due to end? Fri 10-Apr?

Not a hope.

Cork Boy 53

Naggdefy wrote: »

Exactly. A week from today our cases won't be low enough.

I don't know what an acceptable new number of daily cases is?

10? 20? How our perspective changes. They would have been huge numbers up to 10th March or so.

You might want to read the last post in this thread.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219

Some eye opening comments there and in the whole thread in general.

Tootsie_1

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1246782953176338432

Naggdefy

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Slight improvement in the UK - 621 deaths today, compared to 708 yesterday:

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1246791324231176193

Cases up by 2,000 though.

Gynoid

Apologies for the Levity Interlude posting just before the UK deaths. Looks bad, but one never knows what happens next these days...

easypazz

Worztron wrote: »

When's the lock-down due to end? Fri 10-Apr?

It will be extended to April 19th at 3pm.

Then thats it. Done and dusted.

Cork Boy 53

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Slight improvement in the UK - 621 deaths today, compared to 708 yesterday:

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1246791324231176193

So approaching 5000 dead in the UK as of 9am this morning and the surge hasn`t really begun there yet.:(