CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

SweetCaliber

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

Have any of the airlines noticed illness amoung their cabin crew or pilots. Ryanair, aerlingus Alitalia amoung plenty of other should be seeing some trends of sickness seeing a crews are in closed environments with recirculated air.

Same would go for retail workers such as dunnes lidl Aldi and Tesco, have they noticed an increase in exposed staff members facing the public every day?

Perfect test samples

Nobody in my Tesco has been out with symptoms yet. Which is strange considering we are in touch with the public all day but we are sticking to the regulations like a bible.

speckle

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

No differ not to if you were at a petrol station within 2kmts from your home. If people are careful in one area they’ll be careful in another.

agreed you could pick it up locally but instead of keeping it local you may just possibly bring it to a rural area where the local hospital will be overwhemed. rural county hospitals dont have as many icu beds or resperators or specialists. So you might not get a chance to get the care you or anyone else should?

caveat emptor

Seamai wrote: »

With a few exceptions tesing figures are a much lower in eastern Europe so I think the Croatia test rate is about a quarter of ours so it highly probable cases are not being picked up and deaths are being reported as something else.

Oh yeah Eastern Europe , more commies. The latent xenophobia is hilarious given that every country has fudged/ fiddled numbers.

• we did more tests -> just didn't process them = fiddle
• do we even do post mortem tests on people who die from ARD
• from what I've read nursing home testing is not a priority yet the number of deaths much higher from these clusters

That makes us better?

auspicious

Martina1991 wrote: »

We don't need home testing kits. They are unreliable and a money spinner.
Diagnostic testing, especially during a pandemic should not be shop bought and put in the hands of the public.

More support needs to be provided for our diagnostic laboratories. It is a hidden area of healthcare that is always asked to do more with less.

And now the finger of blame is pointed squarely at them being called "a disaster, pathetic, shambles, incompetent, etc" when they weren't properly supported before the crisis.

If it always remains a threat and a reliable vaccine doesn't materialise, how possible is it for a home test to be developed with almost instant results?

facehugger99

There should be no issue with people going to second homes and taking reasonable precautions.

This is a lot of envy on display. Most of us have worked hard for a holiday home and are entitled to enjoy it.

speckle

auspicious wrote: »

I haven't been out running or walking since reading about the transmission amongst the Washington choir.
I know they were inside so the air was still. Even so when you're running a route that has ten runners ahead of you and you're passing out many walkers their exhalations don't follow the 2 meter rule.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak

get you ...we stopped rehearsing feb and giging for that reason.

is_that_so

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Nobody in my Tesco has been out with symptoms yet. Which is strange considering we are in touch with the public all day but we are sticking to the regulations like a bible.

Or maybe it is the case that high levels of social mixing is a far bigger risk, as in pubs and parties? That's good to hear, BTW, for all the nervous shoppers!

NeonCookies

zerosugarbuzz wrote:

No differ not to if you were at a petrol station within 2kmts from your home. If people are careful in one area they’ll be careful in another.

It is different. 2 examples of many possible scenarios:

1. There is no COVID-19 cluster in your permanent home's area. You stop off at a petrol station somewhere down the country on the way to your holiday home. There is an unknown cluster of community transmission in the petrol station's area. You pick up the virus on the handle of the petrol pump, or on your sleeve as you use it to push the door open, or on the bottle of water you decide to grab. You then transmit this to the inside of your car, and to family members. When you return to your permanent home a few days later, you and your family members start a new cluster in your community.

2. Vice Versa - there is a cluster of COVID-19 in your permanent home area (unknown to you). You or your family members have picked this up while grocery shopping etc. You head off to your holiday home. You then spread this to the petrol station you stop at on your way, or the local shop in the nearby village, or the gate of your holiday home which a local child touches while out on a walk within 2km of their home. You have created a brand new cluster in a new area of the country.

It's that easy and I do not get how people don't understand this. I would also argue that people who are truly being careful won't be going to other areas anyway.

Ficheall

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0408/1129382-young-woman-with-cf-in-plea-to-follow-covid-19-rules/



Given that she and her mother are isolating themselves and that any person with whom they would need to have close contact (doctors, nurses, paramedics) would wear a mask in the event of close contact being necessary and would also take cleanliness especially seriously, how exactly would the issue of whether or not other people are adhering to the rules affect her?

Presumably she wants to be able to leave the house sometime within the next couple of years.

is_that_so

facehugger99 wrote: »

There should be no issue with people going to second homes and taking reasonable precautions.

This is a lot of envy on display. Most of us have worked hard for a holiday home and are entitled to enjoy it.

They can enjoy it in the weeks and years to come as it'll still be there. The current restrictions are about getting the disease under control and it's a very short-term sacrifice on that score for all of us.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Oh yeah Eastern Europe , more commies. The latent xenophobia is hilarious given that every country has fudged/ fiddled numbers.

• we did more tests -> just didn't process them = fiddle
• do we even do post mortem tests on people who die from ARD
  
• from what I've read nursing home testing is not a priority yet the number of deaths much higher from these clusters

That makes us better?

Liveline discussing this now.

Naggdefy

facehugger99 wrote: »

There should be no issue with people going to second homes and taking reasonable precautions.

This is a lot of envy on display. Most of us have worked hard for a holiday home and are entitled to enjoy it.

I heard your holiday home is in a halting site.

Alf Veedersane

caveat emptor wrote: »

Liveline discussing this now.

I expect a good, well-reasoned discussion will happen because Bridie from Ballybrack is a strong moderator.

Shn99

Huge loss for cities across the country, debenhams closing.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0409/1129586-debenhams-pulling-out-of-ireland/

auspicious

lawred2 wrote: »

They were in confined space for a long time in close proximity..

How is that in any way comparable to being outside occasionally having since pass by you?

Was transmission through airborne particles even confirmed as the likely way of transmission in that case or was it just supposition?

Singers breath deeply and exhale. Runners probably more so. Weather is fine today, no wind.
Why are people required to stay 2 meters apart if they are not sneezing or coughing at you?
The study of the choir cluster concluded airborne transmission. It's a risk I'm unwilling to take.
I've taken up skipping .

rm212

Shn99 wrote: »

Huge loss for cities across the country, debenhams closing.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0409/1129586-debenhams-pulling-out-of-ireland/

Debenhams haven't exactly been the model of a successful business recently, to be fair...

Phoebas

facehugger99 wrote: »

There should be no issue with people going to second homes and taking reasonable precautions.

This is a lot of envy on display. Most of us have worked hard for a holiday home and are entitled to enjoy it.

Clearly you do not have that entitlement right now.
You're mixing up your wants with your entitlements.

petes

facehugger99 wrote: »

There should be no issue with people going to second homes and taking reasonable precautions.

This is a lot of envy on display. Most of us have worked hard for a holiday home and are entitled to enjoy it.

2/10

BanditLuke

facehugger99 wrote: »

There should be no issue with people going to second homes and taking reasonable precautions.

This is a lot of envy on display. Most of us have worked hard for a holiday home and are entitled to enjoy it.

Entitled. Says it all really.

Tacitus Kilgore

rm212 wrote: »

Debenhams haven't exactly been the model of a successful business recently, to be fair...

Lots of jobs gone though, not the fault of the workers

wadacrack

Good Interview. Gives a glimpse of what the future might hold

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/08/coronavirus-is-big-one-harvard-epidemiologist/2975019001/

Martina1991

auspicious wrote:

If it always remains a threat and a reliable vaccine doesn't materialise, how possible is it for a home test to be developed with almost instant results?

Companies will be churning out home tests to beat the band. They promise instant accurate results. They're sales people.

They will never be as accurate or reliable as tests that are carried out in a diagnostic laboratory.

is_that_so

caveat emptor wrote: »

Liveline discussing this now.

Just for reference here's a link to the amended act itself and a key section.

16A
(b) the death of a person which occurred, or may have occurred, either directly or indirectly, from any cause other than natural illness or disease for which the person had been seen and treated by a registered medical practitioner within one month before his or her death;

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/act/29/section/9/enacted/en/index.html

rm212

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Lots of jobs gone though, not the fault of the workers

Of course not, unfortunate for the workers, but I have my doubts that they had a secure future at Debenhams, coronavirus or not.

Tokyo

facehugger99 wrote: »

There should be no issue with people going to second homes and taking reasonable precautions.

This is a lot of envy on display. Most of us have worked hard for a holiday home and are entitled to enjoy it.

Mod:

@facehugger99 - we get it. You should be able to wander the countryside. You won't be wearing a mask. You should be able to have a pint and shop where you want, when you want. You won't be respecting lockdown conditions, and you won't make allowances for others that do. Much of that is your personal choice.

However, your latest posts don't add to the conversation, but rather, are injected contradictory soundbites trying to get a response. From here on in, you are welcome to add to the running conversation. But anymore soundbites like the past ones, and I'm going to assume you're trolling and work from there.

~Mike

Yakult

Shn99 wrote: »

Huge loss for cities across the country, debenhams closing.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0409/1129586-debenhams-pulling-out-of-ireland/

Been in the works for months now. This was the shove unfortunately.

Tacitus Kilgore

petes wrote: »

2/10

I'd say that lads idea of a holiday home is moving upstairs to a back bedroom for a change of scenery from the basement for a week or two.

wakka12

Goes to show how hard it is to contain, Singapore had it's highest daily total today of almost 300 new cases. Previous highest daily total was only around 50 cases

zerosugarbuzz

facehugger99 wrote: »

There should be no issue with people going to second homes and taking reasonable precautions.

This is a lot of envy on display. Most of us have worked hard for a holiday home and are entitled to enjoy it.

I personally don't have one, one house is enough for me to maintain. I agree though between people resenting people, walking, running, visiting their holiday homes there really is a huge amount of begrudgery going around, sad to see. People need to mind their own business, unless of course someone is holding a rave in the house next door. Report that obviously.

polesheep

Martina1991 wrote: »

Companies will be churning out home tests to beat the band. They promise instant accurate results. They're sales people.

They will never be as accurate or reliable as tests that are carried out in a diagnostic laboratory.

But they may be sufficiently accurate for the intended purpose. Pregnancy tests come to mind as well as blood sugar tests for diabetics.