CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

Jim_Hodge

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

And judging by the haunted look of him, he well knows it.

You'd have a haunted look too if you dealt with all the stressful issues he does every day and worked those hours. Indeed, you probably wouldn't be fit to sit at your keyboard, even without the personal health issues he has.

tobefrank321

Danzy wrote: »

I agree, bit of a cometh the hour cometh the man vibe about him.

I'd fundamentally disagree with him on many issues but I now have a lot of respect for him.

We wouldn't be in half this mess if he'd grounded flights from cv hotspots over a month ago. That bad decision has guaranteed a long term lockdown. The testing has been all over the place. And we left ordering PPE far too late. Thats not too mention hospital trolleys, NCH and cervical check scandals.

I have a lot of praise for the Irish people and frontline workers. Politicians as usual have been incompetent.

AllGunsBlazing

walshb wrote: »

Define success?

You can never ever please everyone if you are a politician..

No matter what politician is in whatever portfolio, he/she can be slated and criticise...

Fair enough. Allow me to rephrase it.

What would you say were his accomplishments as minister for health?

omerin

I wish politicians would stop saying that the restrictions are tough, difficult.... it's creating a negative mindset in people and planting seeds in people's heads and a future excuse if they decide to go against the rules …. "Simon Harris and Leo are saying this is tough Guard and I just needed to get out".

They shouldn't be communicating in a negative manner, the emphasis should be that the positive response from the kids to the parents to stay in are saving lives.

The restrictions are not tough, with one exception, I seem to be eating more

kilkenny31

walshb wrote: »

Define success?

You can never ever please everyone if you are a politician..

No matter what politician is in whatever portfolio, he/she can be slated and criticise...

Ah come on. You cannot seriously say he done a good job has health minister. If you can you obviously never had to wait a year to see a specialist for crippling hip pain. Or never seen one of your loved ones wait on a hospital trolley. Or dont have a loved one who comes home from work regularly in tears because they dont have time to care for patients because they are stretched beyond belief.

Simon harris has had a good performance over the past few weeks but he could have put half the energy into the past 5 years to give us something of a health service.

Naggdefy

Simon Harris is doing well. He's obviously sick but giving his all.

Now being responsible for building the most expensive hospital on the planet will be in his legacy. But it's something for another day. He's doing a lot to redeem himself.

walshb

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We wouldn't be in half this mess if he'd grounded flights from cv hotspots over a month ago. That bad decision has guaranteed a long term lockdown. The testing has been all over the place. And we left ordering PPE far too kate. Thats not too mention hospital trolleys, NCH and cervical check scandals.

I have a lot of praise for the Irish people and frontline workers. Politicians as usual have been incompetent.

Such a prophet with hindsight..

This fight is being fought by far more than the frontline health workers.

Yes, huge credit to them, but you know, they, like many others, including our leaders, are simply doing their jobs..

This fight is being driven by the people we elect..it trickles down to everyone else.

cameramonkey

Naggdefy wrote: »

I mentioned the possible demise of the EU on here a few weeks ago and was met with derision.

Since 2016 we've seen nationalism raise its head in many forms around the world. From Brexit, Trump, our own vote for Peter Casey in the presidential election.

How did Casey do in the general election, he didn't even get his deposits back

walshb

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Ah come on. You cannot seriously say he done a good job has health minister. If you can you obviously never had to wait a year to see a specialist for crippling hip pain. Or never seen one of your loved ones wait on a hospital trolley. Or dont have a loved one who comes home from work regularly in tears because they dont have time to care for patients because they are stretched beyond belief.

Simon harris has had a good performance over the past few weeks but he could have put half the energy into the past 5 years to give us something of a health service.

The health service cries are as old as the fooking hills..

Long before he took up the role.

Sober Crappy Chemis

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Simon harris has had a good performance over the past few weeks but he could have put half the energy into the past 5 years to give us something of a health service.

We have a pretty good health service. I’d rather be living here in Ireland than ANYWHERE else in the world right now.

Logan Roy

What time are figures being released today ?

tobefrank321

walshb wrote: »

Such a prophet with hindsight..

This fight is being fought by far more than the frontline health workers.

Yes, huge credit to them, but you know, they, like many others, including our leaders, are simply doing their jobs..

This fight is being driven by the people we elect..it trickles down to everyone else.

Ah the old hindsight nonsense. Half the country as well as numerous doctors and experts called for flights to be grounded at the time.

cameramonkey

From another thread a few people seem to be getting long awaited test results. Maybe they have been catching up on some of the back log. If so today's numbers of positive tests could rise significantly.

owlbethere

cj maxx wrote: »

You misspelled dose

That's so funny. No I didn't.

facehugger99

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We wouldn't be in half this mess if he'd grounded flights from cv hotspots over a month ago.

Jayus, do you not get bored typing the same sh;te over and over again?

AllGunsBlazing

cameramonkey wrote: »

From another thread a few people seem to be getting long awaited test results. Maybe they have been catching up on some of the back log. If so today's numbers of positive tests could rise significantly.

Weren't we due some results from a German lab?

walshb

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Ah the old hindsight nonsense. Half the country as well as numerous doctors and experts called for flights to be grounded at the time.

Not hindsight nonsense at all..

You blaming him for not shutting down our airports?

You can bet had he, there would be a group on slating him and others for this

Cannot won with people...

Btw, governments act on expert advice...no matter who is in power, they act on advice...

kilkenny31

walshb wrote: »

The health service cries are as old as the fooking hills..

Long before he took up the role.

I agree. But he had plenty of time to do something about it. You can't say oh it's always been poor so accept it. I will never accept that we have a bad health service and that's that. It's always been due to political inaction and failure to take drastic measures. Perhaps if we had of declared an emergency in the health service years ago we could have fixed things.

gabeeg

walshb wrote: »

Not hindsight nonsense at all..

You blaming him for not shutting down our airports?

You can bet had he, there would be a group on slating him and others for this

Cannot won with people...

Btw, governments act on expert advice...no matter who is in power, they act on advice...

Why would anyone now be slating them for stopping flights to zones that were riddled with virus?

You're right on the expert advice bit. I fully agree with you that Holohan was asleep at the wheel.

An Ciarraioch

Logan Roy wrote: »

What time are figures being released today ?

For the Six-One News, though yesterday they were slightly earlier.

walshb

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I agree. But he had plenty of time to do something about it. You can't say oh it's always been poor so accept it. I will never accept that we have a bad health service and that's that. It's always been due to political inaction and failure to take drastic measures. Perhaps if we had of declared an emergency in the health service years ago we could have fixed things.

Every single portfolio at any time in the past, present or future will have praise and criticisms..simple as that..

And yes, we actually do have to accept it, because that is life...always and forever...we can keep working to tweak and improve and change; but it will never be accepted that all is “perfect.” No such thing.

Harris for me, stands out as good. It’s that simple. I don’t have to dissect every angle and every decision and every result or failure.

john why

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No press conference on weekends. A statement is released to journalists sometime between 5:30 and 6:00.

Thanks for that.

cameramonkey

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Weren't we due some results from a German lab?

It seem difficult for the HSE to explain exactly how many tests are taking place or if the German test results have been returned. Their figures seem more aspirational than anything. Once a week they give the testing figures, I think Tuesday.

weldoninhio

DubInMeath wrote: »

The haunted look might be more to do with the fact he has crohn's disease and is knackered I'd say

Jaysus, no one has ever mentioned his Crohn’s disease. Are you sure he has it??

kilkenny31

walshb wrote: »

Every single portfolio at any time in the past, present or future will have praise and criticisms..simple as that..

And yes, we actually do have to accept it, because that is life...always and forever...we can keep working to tweak and improve and change; but it will never be accepted that all is “perfect.” No such thing.

Harris for me, stands out as good. It’s that simple. I don’t have to dissect every angle and every decision and every result or failure.

In what way did he improve the health service?

10000maniacs

facehugger99 wrote: »

Jayus, do you not get bored typing the same sh;te over and over again?

But its true. Those Cheltenham idiots have blood on their hands and idiots will continue to kill innocent people for the duration of this pandemic. Idiots will idiot. They can't help it.

CIARAN_BOYLE

weldoninhio wrote: »

Jaysus, no one has ever mentioned his Crohn’s disease. Are you sure he has it??

He definitely has.

Here is one article out of 20 that shows up when you type in crohn's Simon harris

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/crohns-sufferer-simon-harris-hails-camera-that-can-be-swallowed-35063049.html

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

walshb wrote: »

Not hindsight nonsense at all..

You blaming him for not shutting down our airports?

You can bet had he, there would be a group on slating him and others for this

Cannot won with people...

Btw, governments act on expert advice...no matter who is in power, they act on advice...

Strong leaders don't really tend to care if they get slated, as long as they're making the right decisions.

Weak leaders tend to either avoid making hard decisions, dither/tiptoe around them... or just hide behind token words like "expert advice".

You know, the sort of "expert advice" that our CMO was giving around nursing homes and whether or not to cancel Paddy's day etc.

Who was giving the expert advice, when they completely shat the bed around the Cheltenham debacle?

Yes, expert advice indeed... :rolleyes:

fin12

omerin wrote: »

I wish politicians would stop saying that the restrictions are tough, difficult.... it's creating a negative mindset in people and planting seeds in people's heads and a future excuse if they decide to go against the rules …. "Simon Harris and Leo are saying this is tough Guard and I just needed to get out".

They shouldn't be communicating in a negative manner, the emphasis should be that the positive response from the kids to the parents to stay in are saving lives.

The restrictions are not tough, with one exception, I seem to be eating more

The restrictions might not be tough for u, tell that to people living in abusive households.

DaveCliftonAP

weldoninhio wrote: »

Jaysus, no one has ever mentioned his Crohn’s disease. Are you sure he has it??

It must be exhausting to always be so negative and cynical.