CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

Hego Damask

Italy rising again, don't know wtf is going on over there, but lockdown clearly not working, Spain seems ****ed too ... densely populated apt. blocks ?

RogerThis

County|Population|Pop Percent|Cases Percent|Cases
Carlow|56,932|1.2%|0.2%|16
Cavan|76,176|1.6%|2.0%|132
Clare|118,817|2.5%|1.1%|68
Cork|542,868|11.4%|7.3%|472
Donegal|159,192|3.3%|1.9%|125
Dublin|1,347,359|28.3%|55.2%|3557
Galway|258,058|5.4%|2.1%|134
Kerry|147,707|3.1%|1.9%|125
Kildare|222,504|4.7%|3.9%|253
Kilkenny|99,232|2.1%|1.4%|90
Laois|84,697|1.8%|0.6%|37
Leitrim|32,044|0.7%|0.4%|23
Limerick|194,899|4.1%|2.7%|173
Longford|40,873|0.9%|0.6%|36
Louth|128,884|2.7%|1.6%|106
Mayo|130,507|2.7%|2.1%|134
Meath|195,044|4.1%|3.1%|198
Monaghan|61,386|1.3%|1.0%|63
Offaly|77,961|1.6%|1.3%|81
Roscommon|64,544|1.4%|0.3%|22
Sligo|65,535|1.4%|0.4%|28
Tipperary|159,553|3.4%|2.2%|140
Waterford|116,176|2.4%|0.9%|56
Westmeath|88,770|1.9%|2.2%|142
Wexford|149,722|3.1%|0.4%|26
Wicklow|142,425|3.0%|3.0%|207
|4,761,865|||6444

spookwoman

Hego Damask wrote: »

Italy rising again, don't know wtf is going on over there, but lockdown clearly not working, Spain seems ****ed too ... densely populated apt. blocks ?

Were they not worried about the south taking off due it being poorer?

Strazdas

sabat wrote: »

I'd give it a 90% probability of going ahead; people are being a touch over pessimistic.

Too many different variables : the flights mightn't be allowed, the Lanzarote hotels mightn't be allowed open, travel between Ireland and Spain might be restricted etc.

You're not just depending on one factor but loads of different things.

is_that_so

Strumms wrote: »

Foresight is what was lacking. Considering the nature of the situation I’d rather the political people went overkill and prevent disease kill. Plan for worst case, bonus if it doesn’t happen. I’d rather the business groups in the aftermath rage from their high stools about what the economy lost, over families and loved ones in despair over family and friends who they WILL loose. I’d rather we were all for a time poor and alive over a significant number dead.

Practising our post-COVID posts already?

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

Life expectancy in Ireland and Scotland are not that different

Irish men 79 yr
Irish women 84 yr

https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ireland-life-expectancy

Scottish men 77 yr
Scottish women 81 yr

Some parts of glasgow life expectancy is mid 50's.

Wibbs

fr336 wrote: »

Re supermarkets it's all ancedotal but have you guys seen how many London bus drivers have died from this? Think it was around 10 at last check. I'm wondering if even being at the front of the bus as they are but in such a compact environment greatly increases their exposure compared to supermarket staff?

Could be. There were a few studied in China with thsi virus and SARS before it that showed travelling in buses and taxis really increased risks, for both passengers and drivers.

What I've noticed with the British reports into younger deaths there seems to be an awful lot of Black and South Asian folks dying, not just bus drivers, but medical staff. White faces seem to be rare enough in the reports by comparison. That and a lot, if not most seem to be heavy set people. To the degree that if I see a UK report about youngish person X has died, I expect to see a non White face and/or being overweight. Now in the US Black folks are being hit very badly, but they're more likely to be poorer and working jobs that put them in the public space, but is there more to it I wonder?

screamer

Hego Damask wrote: »

Italy rising again, don't know wtf is going on over there, but lockdown clearly not working, Spain seems ****ed too ... densely populated apt. blocks ?

Yep and also they still go out for groceries and medicine, so this gives the chance for spread of the virus too, as I’m sure there are plenty of asymptomatic people going to buy their food too.

bekker

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Honestly, this should be stickied information in the forum.

When the median is corrected to 84.5 why not.

Logan Roy

Hego Damask wrote: »

Italy rising again, don't know wtf is going on over there, but lockdown clearly not working, Spain seems ****ed too ... densely populated apt. blocks ?

Italy has been pretty consistent this week. As long as it's no longer growing day over day things are going OK.

polesheep

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I don’t understand why people throw out this ‘normally die’ argument, as if it’s supposed to make everything ok. If 1400 normally die every day, it mean 2400 died yesterday. 1400 normally in total from a range of varying ailments.

It still leaves nearly 1000 for this one thing. This quarantine is really bringing out the stupid in some people.

Eh, no. Some of the people who died from Covid19 would have died anyway and been part of the 1,400. But you are correct regarding the last part of your post.

JP Liz V1

lbj666 wrote: »

Have we actually confirmed despite Micheal Martins dinfo of how many people are actually waiting for tests.
At 15% positive rate you could estimate the no. of unconfirmed symptomatic cases from that.

The referrals/day would almost be a better metric that the confirmed cases at this point.

From looking at the test threads on here, they is many waiting on results and also tests

is_that_so

Hego Damask wrote: »

Italy rising again, don't know wtf is going on over there, but lockdown clearly not working, Spain seems ****ed too ... densely populated apt. blocks ?

Spain think they've hit peak. You can expect a good number of deaths for a while, but the overall level of increase in new cases is declining for both.

owlbethere

smelly sock wrote: »

Hoping against the odds things pick up and holidays go ahead in July. Have 11 nights in Lanzarote booked. Any thoughts?

It depends what your circumstances are. I have a holiday booked late in the autumn and I probably won't be going now. I'm doing my best not to get this virus and hopefully it will stay like this. The risk of picking it up going away abroad is to much for me and then spending time abroad sick doesn't appeal to me. Or I don't want to bring the virus home. Its all too much risk for me.

ironingbored

I would give the government and health officials a solid 7/10 thus far especially in light of the unmitigated disasters unfolding in the US, UK and the Netherlands.

Having said that, the three areas where we underestimated the problem were:

1) Not cancelling flights with people travelling from Northern Italy for the rugby (and temperature screening in general at airports a la South Korea/China
2) Not ordering people likely returning from Cheltenham to self-isolate (using mobile data if necessary)
3) Not locking down every single nursing home in the country at the end of February.

mirrorwall14

glasso wrote: »

What is this and what is your source?

podgeandrodge

sabat wrote: »

I'd give it a 90% probability of going ahead; people are being a touch over pessimistic.

I'd go 10% going ahead 90% not.

gabeeg

glasso wrote: »

Where did you get these?

FixdePitchmark

Deleted User wrote: »

Some parts of glasgow life expectancy is mid 50's.

can't be true.

Hego Damask

Hego Damask wrote: »

Italy rising again, don't know wtf is going on over there, but lockdown clearly not working, Spain seems ****ed too ... densely populated apt. blocks ?

Look at the trend for the last 2 weeks not 2 days.

fr336

A week feels like a month at the moment. How long ago did Italy start getting really bad? Was it this time last month or longer? It feels like years ago...

Wibbs

Hego Damask wrote: »

Italy rising again, don't know wtf is going on over there, but lockdown clearly not working, Spain seems ****ed too ... densely populated apt. blocks ?

IMHO I've long reckoned that's a huge part of it alright H. If you decide to go to the shops and you live in the average Irish gaff, the only place you share space, air and surfaces is inside the shop. If you just go for a walk or run around your neighbourhood you're effectively sharing bugger all. If one of your neighbours is infected you can avoid them without even thinking about it. Now imagine you live on the fifth floor of an apartment block in Madrid or Milan or Paris and a neighbour has it, it's damn near impossible to avoid shared surfaces, spaces and air they've been around, before you even leave the front door. Just think how many people would be touching that front door every single day.

Stheno

glasso wrote: »

Where is this from? Is it clusters in Dublin?

Happy4all

is the biggest cluster between sallynoggin and glasthule?

JP Liz V1

No matter how grim and negative, I think all parties tasked over Covid19 here in ROI like HSE, CMO and DOH should be honest in their briefings, it is hard to know what is true when medical professionals, media and politicians are contradicting one another

GM228

Ireland Coronavirus Statistics - Day 41 - Thursday 09/04/2020

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29/02/2020

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01/03/2020

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02/03/2020

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03/03/2020

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04/03/2020

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05/03/2020

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116.67%

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75.00%

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13

| 69.44% | N/A | N/A | 138.89% | 62.50% | N/A | N/A | 125.00%

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18

| 65.02% | N/A | 65.02% | 118.38% | 49.49% | N/A | 49.49% | 115.48%

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07/03/2020

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| 57.59% | N/A | 65.81% | 53.56% | 33.30% | N/A | 38.06% | -11.19%

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08/03/2020

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21

| 52.36% | N/A | 67.32% | 18.18% | 40.71% | N/A | 52.35% | -2.86%

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09/03/2020

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24

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14.29%

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24

| 48.55% | 48.55% | 69.36% | 10.12% | 41.64% | 41.64% | 59.49% | 23.33%

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10/03/2020

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34

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41.67%

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233.33%

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34

| 47.92% | 52.72% | 61.02% | 22.16% | 59.07% | 64.98% | 92.82% | 127.78%

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9

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43

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26.47%

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2.33%

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| 46.14% | 55.36% | 36.23% | 27.47% | 53.31% | 63.98% | 48.54% | 91.11%

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12/03/2020

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70

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62.79%

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200.00%

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1.43%

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| 47.42% | 61.64% | 28.54% | 43.64% | 64.60% | 83.98% | 66.39% | 141.11%

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13/03/2020

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20

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90

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28.57%

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-25.93%

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1.11%

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89

| 46.07% | 54.50% | 27.12% | 39.28% | 58.13% | 81.38% | 66.77% | 54.69%

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14/03/2020

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39

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129

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43.33%

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95.00%

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2

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1.55%

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127

| 45.89% | 38.83% | 32.52% | 44.90% | 60.59% | 60.88% | 91.77% | 89.69%

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15/03/2020

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40

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169

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31.01%

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2.56%

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2

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1.18%

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167

| 44.96% | 30.27% | 35.45% | 34.30% | 56.96% | 53.64% | 77.85% | 23.88%

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16/03/2020

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169

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54

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223

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31.95%

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35.00%

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2

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0.90%

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84

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37.67%

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6

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2.69%

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2.24%

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0.005%

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216

| 44.19% | 29.62% | 37.97% | 35.43% | 55.67% | 60.00% | 75.71% | 44.19%

18

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17/03/2020

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223

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69

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292

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30.94%

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27.78%

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2

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0.68%

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108

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36.99%

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2.40%

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5

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285

| 43.46% | 32.15% | 36.44% | 31.30% | 54.12% | 70.77% | 46.35% | 21.78%

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18/03/2020

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292

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74

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366

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25.34%

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7.25%

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2

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0.55%

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140

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38.25%

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12

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3.28%

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5

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1.37%

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0.007%

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359

| 42.50% | 33.64% | 36.28% | 29.41% | 51.65% | 61.50% | 48.81% | 23.34%

20

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19/03/2020

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366

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191

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557

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52.19%

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158.11%

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3

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0.54%

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173

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31.06%

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13

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2.33%

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5

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0.011%

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549

| 42.99% | 37.43% | 34.76% | 36.16% | 56.98% | 72.31% | 42.82% | 64.38%

21

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20/03/2020

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557

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126

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683

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22.62%

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-34.03%

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3

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0.44%

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211

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30.89%

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17

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2.49%

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5

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0.73%

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0.014%

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675

| 42.02% | 35.52% | 33.91% | 33.38% | 52.64% | 45.57% | 41.67% | 43.77%

22

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21/03/2020

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683

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102

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785

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14.93%

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-19.05%

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3

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0.38%

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239

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30.45%

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25

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3.18%

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5

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0.64%

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0.016%

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777

| 40.79% | 34.37% | 29.86% | 29.91% | 49.38% | 44.67% | 25.37% | 35.01%

23

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22/03/2020

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785

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121

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906

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15.41%

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18.63%

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4

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0.44%

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277

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30.57%

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36

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3.97%

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5

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0.55%

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0.018%

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897

| 39.68% | 29.63% | 27.63% | 17.66% | 48.05% | 26.53% | 27.67% | -11.48%

24

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23/03/2020

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906

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219

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1125

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24.17%

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80.99%

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6

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0.53%

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305

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27.11%

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39

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3.47%

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5

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0.44%

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0.023%

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1114

| 39.04% | 29.19% | 26.52% | 18.17% | 49.42% | 37.22% | 34.24% | 26.86%

25

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24/03/2020

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1125

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204

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1329

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18.13%

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-6.85%

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7

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0.53%

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340

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25.58%

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47

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3.54%

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5

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0.38%

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0.027%

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1317

| 38.20% | 26.67% | 24.69% | 19.24% | 47.17% | 27.04% | 29.29% | 30.92%

26

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25/03/2020

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1329

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235

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1564

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17.68%

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15.20%

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9

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0.58%

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419

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26.79%

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59

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3.77%

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5

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0.32%

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0.032%

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1550

| 37.41% | 25.34% | 23.59% | 20.00% | 45.94% | 28.30% | 30.43% | 29.78%

27

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26/03/2020

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1564

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255

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1819

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16.30%

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8.51%

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19

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1.04%

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489

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26.88%

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67

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3.68%

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5

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0.27%

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0.037%

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1795

| 36.63% | 23.77% | 18.47% | 17.37% | 44.55% | 25.65% | 9.06% | 5.62%

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27/03/2020

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1819

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302

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2121

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16.60%

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18.43%

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22

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1.04%

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564

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26.59%

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77

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3.63%

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5

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0.24%

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0.043%

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2094

| 35.92% | 22.34% | 17.61% | 16.86% | 43.62% | 24.72% | 16.55% | 14.05%

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28/03/2020

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2121

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294

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2415

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13.86%

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-2.65%

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36

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1.49%

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645

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26.71%

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84

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3.48%

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5

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0.21%

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0.049%

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2374

| 35.15% | 21.19% | 17.45% | 15.59% | 42.02% | 23.73% | 18.89% | 8.10%

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29/03/2020

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2415

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200

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2615

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8.28%

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-31.97%

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46

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1.76%

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703

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26.88%

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113

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4.32%

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5

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0.19%

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0.053%

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2564

| 34.26% | 16.80% | 16.43% | 12.92% | 39.56% | 4.72% | 11.67% | -5.40%

31

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30/03/2020

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2615

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295

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2910

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11.28%

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47.50%

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54

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1.86%

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834

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28.66%

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126

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4.33%

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5

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0.17%

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0.059%

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2851

| 33.52% | 15.67% | 14.59% | 11.14% | 39.81% | 12.87% | 6.88% | 4.29%

32

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31/03/2020

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2910

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325

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3235

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11.17%

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10.17%

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71

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2.19%

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932

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28.81%

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134

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4.14%

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25

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0.77%

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0.066%

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3139

| 32.82% | 15.29% | 13.60% | 10.24% | 38.89% | 15.80% | 9.31% | 8.57%

33

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01/04/2020

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3235

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212

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3447

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6.55%

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-34.77%

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85

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2.47%

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1039

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30.14%

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148

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4.29%

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25

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0.73%

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0.070%

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3337

| 32.02% | 14.40% | 12.01% | 9.67% | 36.66% | 10.46% | 2.17% | 7.63%

34

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02/04/2020

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3447

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402

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3849

|

11.66%

|

89.62%

|

98

|

2.55%

|

1118

|

29.05%

|

158

|

4.10%

|

25

|

0.65%

|

0.078%

|

3726

| 31.42% | 13.15% | 11.34% | 9.79% | 38.21% | 11.32% | 13.76% | 21.67%

35

|

03/04/2020

|

3849

|

424

|

4273

|

11.02%

|

5.47%

|

120

|

2.81%

|

1203

|

28.15%

|

165

|

3.86%

|

25

|

0.59%

|

0.087%

|

4128

| 30.84% | 12.44% | 10.55% | 9.74% | 37.28% | 12.55% | 11.91% | 20.11%

36

|

04/04/2020

|

4273

|

331

|

4604

|

7.75%

|

-21.93%

|

137

|

2.98%

|

1265

|

27.48%

|

169

|

3.67%

|

25

|

0.54%

|

0.094%

|

4442

| 30.20% | 11.45% | 9.67% | 10.14% | 35.63% | 8.84% | 9.16% | 24.39%

37

|

05/04/2020

|

4604

|

390

|

4994

|

8.47%

|

17.82%

|

158

|

3.16%

|

1345

|

26.93%

|

194

|

3.88%

|

25

|

0.50%

|

0.101%

|

4811

| 29.61% | 10.66% | 9.70% | 9.08% | 35.15% | 9.77% | 16.27% | 0.45%

38

|

06/04/2020

|

4994

|

370

|

5364

|

7.41%

|

-5.13%

|

174

|

3.24%

|

1472

|

27.44%

|

224

|

4.18%

|

25

|

0.47%

|

0.109%

|

5165

| 29.03% | 9.75% | 9.15% | 7.88% | 34.09% | 7.41% | 8.75% | -3.08%

39

|

07/04/2020

|

5364

|

345

|

5709

|

6.43%

|

-6.76%

|

210

|

3.68%

|

1521

|

26.64%

|

230

|

4.03%

|

25

|

0.44%

|

0.116%

|

5474

| 28.45% | 9.00% | 8.47% | 7.44% | 33.04% | 7.00% | 6.33% | 1.98%

40

|

08/04/2020

|

5709

|

365

|

6074

|

6.39%

|

5.80%

|

235

|

3.87%

|

NR

|

NR

|

230

|

3.79%

|

25

|

0.41%

|

0.123%

|

5814

| 27.90% | 8.81% | 8.45% | 6.74% | 32.36% | 10.78% | 12.13% | -2.03%

41

|

09/04/2020

|

6074

|

500

|

6574

|

8.23%

|

36.99%

|

263

|

4.00%

|

NR

|

NR

|

230

|

3.50%

|

25

|

0.38%

|

0.134%

|

6286

| 27.42% | 8.51% | 7.96% | 7.02% | 32.48% | 9.73% | 4.61% | 12.01%


Data is cumulative

NR = Not Reported

▲ = Daily case increase averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1

■ = Daily case reporting change averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1

Source: Department of Health and the Health Protection Surveillaence Centre.

*"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting. Recovered statistics can only be published as "recovered" following two successful tests of being clear of the virus under the WHO reporting guidelines, as a result it is likely the recovered data is skewed.

** Due to the above issue with reporting of revovered cases the number of active cases is also likely skewed.

Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20 Stats
Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20 Stats
Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20 Stats
Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20 Stats
Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/20 Stats
Day 27 - Thursday 26/03/20 Stats
Day 28 - Friday 27/03/20 Stats
Day 29 - Saturday 28/03/20 Stats
Day 30 - Sunday 29/03/20 Stats
Day 31 - Monday 30/03/20 Stats
Day 32 - Tuesday 31/03/20 Stats
Day 33 - Wednesday 01/04/20 Stats
Day 34 - Thursday 02/04/20 Stats
Day 35 - Friday 03/04/20 Stats
Day 36 - Saturday 04/04/20 Stats
Day 37 - Sunday 05/04/20 Stats
Day 38 - Monday 06/04/20 Stats
Day 39 - Tueaday 07/04/20 Stats
Day 40 - Wednesday 08/04/20 Stats

wakka12

polesheep wrote: »

Eh, no. Some of the people who died from Covid19 would have died anyway and been part of the 1,400. But you are correct regarding the last part of your post.

Some are believed to. Its nothing but a theory, and a pointless argument until the annual mortality rates for each nation are published. Nobody will know until then.

Having said that I was sceptical of the theory until recently when I read about the 2003 heatwave in Europe last night and how 17,000 people died in France in June and July but the annual mortality rate was the exact same as othe years, obviously it killed the most vulnerable people who would have died anyway that year. Thats the theory of some posters I saw going around and obviously its not completely bs then

is_that_so

fr336 wrote: »

A week feels like a month at the moment. How long ago did Italy start getting really bad? Was it this time last month or longer? It feels like years ago...

Italy's first cases were about Feb 15 so yeah two decades ago!

fr336

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

can't be true.

Poster is right. About 53 for a male apparently. Frankie Boyle used to joke about it in his usual dark humour way.