CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

Gael23

Any ideas on how restrictions will be relaxed? Would like to see the severe restrictions on older people eased also

Hrududu

macmahon wrote: »

Hayfever season babe...please don't worry so much but just check with your doc if your symptoms persist!...Im in similar circumstances so much love to ya...

Yup I’ve had hay fever a couple of times in the past week, ‘it’s the season.

gabeeg

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

If we closed our borders and done a lockdown 8 weeks ago people would have said its too early as we had practically no cases.

Then people would venture out saying it was a waste of time.

And the chance to contain the virus would have passed.

we didn't even have to close the borders

We could've simply issued a travel advisory stating that there should be no non-essential travel between Ireland and Italy, and that anyone entering from there would have to self-quarantine for two weeks.
And we should have applied the same to other countries as it became blatantly obvious that travellers from those countries also posed a serious risk to our collective health.

Wolf359f

Wombatman wrote: »

Your man Nolan went on at length, about our admirable infection rate of 1, in the news conference today. Why bother when the underlying data is crap?

Any chance you can share the underlying data? I'd be really interested in how you're coming to that assumption.
We get new case figures each day, we don't know when those tests were done, when the symptoms first occured, if that test was a result of contract tracing etc...

For all we know of the 500 cases today, some could be from someone with symptoms a week ago and infected a week before that, some may be health care workers, nursing homes etc... And as such the number of the public out there spreading it could be alot less than we (us so called specialists) are aware of

Point is, there's so much more details/data those making the decisions see that we are privy to.
The fact hospitalization and ICU admissions are growing at a much smaller % than new case numbers shows the spread out in the public is a lot less than new cases shows.

JP Liz V1

Are nebulisers used in treatment?

Wombatman

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

100,000 possibly cases without knowing the actual number like every other country.

Seems pretty straightforward.

Sweden a doing very little. Their population is twice ours.

Do think they are going to have 200,000 cases a day anytime soon.

Not a chance. They haven't even had 1000 cases a day yet.

100,000 is a rubbish number to use in tabloid headlines to turn heads and distract. Nolan actually said during the 6pm press conference "I'm not here to blind people with science...". That is exactly what he is trying to do.

Showing the absolute fantastical worst to lull people into thinking we are doing well.

Dead rates and ICU admissions are not dependent on testing rates. Let's see if those curves starts to flatten.

Hobgoblin11

best case scenario for a vaccine now anyone? it was 12-18 months a month ago, is that sill the case?

beolight

beolight wrote: »

It’s pure madness not to be addressing this now get the process in place now whilst numbers are low and before restrictions are eased

the biggest need in the absence of a vaccine and / or effective treatments is for

- a test that can be performed on-site (without going to a lab) in a short timeframe

- effective contact tracing measures (preferably technology assisted)


these 2 items are crucial for shutting down new clusters after the lockdown relaxation is being started

largely dependent on the international resources for these things to happen / be assisted with

Seamai

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

The Great Danes and Austrians had better keep their borders shut or their neighbours will be complaining

With Austria bordering northern Italy I'm guessing they're planning on keeping the border shut?

Reading some of the posts about threatening damage to holiday homes, calling the guards on neighbours, some otherwise rational posters here beginning to sound very stressed and angry towards people from different counties, I was suddenly reminded of a time not 100 years ago that us Irish have tried to erase from the collective memory.
We won't see centenary commemorations for the bitter atrocities committed during our civil war. When our people murdered each other in such ways as would make us ashamed to read about. There's a great historian on twitter recounting them day by day as they happened. A couple of men tied to a mine and it detonated, executions a daily event.
As our society begins to break down, as it is in the early stages of now, it's easy to see we can revert to exactly the same divided views in a very short time.
It won't go that far, but be aware that so called civilised society is held together by very delicate threads.

Reading some of the posts about threatening damage to holiday homes, calling the guards on neighbours, some otherwise rational posters here beginning to sound very stressed and angry towards people from different counties, I was suddenly reminded of a time not 100 years ago that us Irish have tried to erase from the collective memory.
We won't see centenary commemorations for the bitter atrocities committed during our civil war. When our people murdered each other in such ways as would make us ashamed to read about. There's a great historian on twitter recounting them day by day as they happened. A couple of men tied to a mine and it detonated, executions a daily event.
As our society begins to break down, as it is in the early stages of now, it's easy to see we can revert to exactly the same divided views in a very short time.
It won't go that far, but be aware that so called civilised society is held together by very delicate threads.

Funsterdelux

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

best case scenario for a vaccine now anyone? it was 12-18 months a month ago, is that sill the case?

Id say maybe 11-17 months

Lundstram

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

best case scenario for a vaccine now anyone? it was 12-18 months a month ago, is that sill the case?

No. It'd be 11-17 months now.

gabeeg

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

best case scenario for a vaccine now anyone? it was 12-18 months a month ago, is that sill the case?

Well seeing as how we're now at least five decades into this now, I think we can expect Boots stocked with vaccines by tomorrow

Funsterdelux

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading some of the posts about threatening damage to holiday homes, calling the guards on neighbours, some otherwise rational posters here beginning to sound very stressed and angry towards people from different counties, I was suddenly reminded of a time not 100 years ago that us Irish have tried to erase from the collective memory.
We won't see centenary commemorations for the bitter atrocities committed during our civil war. When our people murdered each other in such ways as would make us ashamed to read about. There's a great historian on twitter recounting them day by day as they happened. A couple of men tied to a mine and it detonated, executions a daily event.
As our society begins to break down, as it is in the early stages of now, it's easy to see we can revert to exactly the same divided views in a very short time.
It won't go that far, but be aware that so called civilised society is held together by very delicate threads.

Are you pro or anti treaty?

Loafing Oaf

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

best case scenario for a vaccine now anyone? it was 12-18 months a month ago, is that sill the case?

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientists-in-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101

Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'
Once the vaccine is developed, it will take at least 90 days to complete the regulatory process and potentially more to enter the marketplace.

UrbanFret

https://www.facebook.com/Garda-Siochana-Wicklow-1277809749087347/?hc_ref=ARS8X0OvdPW-_oi--CLLNn07ZKa1xb4KMUDMUAXEG-Ax1l3HFO4pDQlSBa4WhxZdDnA&fref=nf&__tn__=kC-R

speckle

glasso wrote: »

I'd say you're safe

And so is our one and only resident in the pheonix park

igCorcaigh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Reading some of the posts about threatening damage to holiday homes, calling the guards on neighbours, some otherwise rational posters here beginning to sound very stressed and angry towards people from different counties, I was suddenly reminded of a time not 100 years ago that us Irish have tried to erase from the collective memory.
We won't see centenary commemorations for the bitter atrocities committed during our civil war. When our people murdered each other in such ways as would make us ashamed to read about. There's a great historian on twitter recounting them day by day as they happened. A couple of men tied to a mine and it detonated, executions a daily event.
As our society begins to break down, as it is in the early stages of now, it's easy to see we can revert to exactly the same divided views in a very short time.
It won't go that far, but be aware that so called civilised society is held together by very delicate threads.

Speaking of Threads, the current situation reminds me of the opening lines:

"In an urban society, everything connects. Each person's needs are fed by the skills of many others. Our lives are woven together in a fabric. But the connections that make society strong also make it vulnerable."

Hobgoblin11

Seamai wrote: »

With Austria bordering northern Italy I'm guessing they're planning on keeping the border shut?

and no less than seven other countries not including Italy

delly

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading some of the posts about threatening damage to holiday homes, calling the guards on neighbours, some otherwise rational posters here beginning to sound very stressed and angry towards people from different counties, I was suddenly reminded of a time not 100 years ago that us Irish have tried to erase from the collective memory.
We won't see centenary commemorations for the bitter atrocities committed during our civil war. When our people murdered each other in such ways as would make us ashamed to read about. There's a great historian on twitter recounting them day by day as they happened. A couple of men tied to a mine and it detonated, executions a daily event.
As our society begins to break down, as it is in the early stages of now, it's easy to see we can revert to exactly the same divided views in a very short time.
It won't go that far, but be aware that so called civilised society is held together by very delicate threads.

I consider myself to be a very rational and passive person, but with having a young member of my household with a long term illness, I'll happily go savage for the muppets who don't give a toss about restrictions.

gabeeg

Wolf359f wrote: »

Any chance you can share the underlying data? I'd be really interested in how you're coming to that assumption.
We get new case figures each day, we don't know when those tests were done, when the symptoms first occured, if that test was a result of contract tracing etc...

For all we know of the 500 cases today, some could be from someone with symptoms a week ago and infected a week before that, some may be health care workers, nursing homes etc... And as such the number of the public out there spreading it could be alot less than we (us so called specialists) are aware of

Point is, there's so much more details/data those making the decisions see that we are privy to.
The fact hospitalization and ICU admissions are growing at a much smaller % than new case numbers shows the spread out in the public is a lot less than new cases shows.

I agree with you, they're failing all of us with their lack of transparency

they should make the data public

great point, mate

what a bunch of clowns they are

gmisk

speckle wrote: »

And so is our one and only resident in the pheonix park

A lot more than one person lives in Phoenix park...

Hobgoblin11

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Id say maybe 11-17 months

did I say 1 month, actually it was 6 weeks

Hobgoblin11

Lundstram wrote: »

No. It'd be 11-17 months now.

it was six weeks ago, it just checked

Seamai

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

100,000 possible cases worst case scenario without knowing the actual number like every other country.

Seems pretty straightforward.

That's not going to happen though.

Did he not mean peaking at 100,000 cases rather than 100,000 new cases every day?
The latter sounds ridiculous.

Funsterdelux

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

did I say 1 month, actually it was 6 weeks

10.5 -16.5 months;)

Wombatman

Wolf359f wrote: »

Point is, there's so much more details/data those making the decisions see that we are privy to.
The fact hospitalization and ICU admissions are growing at a much smaller % than new case numbers shows the spread out in the public is a lot less than new cases shows.

No statistics on this should be hidden from the public.

ICU admissions will flatten when capacity is reached.

Over the last 7 days the death rate has grown faster than new case growth.

Our deaths per million is now 53. Denmark is 41. A week ago we were tracking Denmark nicely, a country with similar demographics to us.

Hobgoblin11

Funsterdelux wrote: »

10.5 -16.5 months;)

Ok now I know the exact date, i was 43 days ago Thurs, January 30, 2020

KerryConnor

political analyst wrote: »

You might as well be trying to eradicate hay fever!

If the elderly and those with underlying health problems (e.g. cystic fibrosis) remain in isolation while all other people go back to normal then herd immunity will form among all other people and then the pandemic will be over in a relatively short period of time.

Swedish epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said many people who have the virus are asymptomatic or have only mild symptoms and recover without even knowing they had it - and so the mortality rate could be even less than 1%!

1% would be horrific. That is 4 people in relatively small company of 400 I work in.