CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

Tell me how

YFlyer wrote: »

Just got a text from a friend that the hospitals are empty and many people said that to him. Typical conspiracy nut.

Tell him I got a text from a family member who spent the day working at a hospital in Dublin and said there were ambulances calling to the Covid entrance all day?

Wolf359f

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I think the antigen (pcr) testing will be more important when we come out of this phase and need testing as a spotlight on emerging cases.

We really need these serology tests to become highly accurate so that immunity passports can be provided with confidence. That will get us off this phase, hopefully.

At least we have the test centers and process setup already. Obviously needs to be fine tuned, but the system is in place.

We just need to get over this curve, slowly get back to a new normal, maintaining social distancing, cough etiquette. When case numbers rise, and they will, it should be at a much slower pace. Testing should be improved and rapid, with contract tracing, to help suppress it more. Which should mean people can still work and get paid, shop, go for a longer walk, but that's it I think. See how that goes and then come September, obviously the schools will have to open.

Danzy

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Maybe New Zealanders took it seriously. We could learn a lot from that, couldn't we?

First thing would be to stretch the by 600 miles length, good bit wider and half the population density.

Also move it off major transit hubs and away from others.

AtomicHorror

bekker wrote: »

And maybe they don't have a government speaking out of both sides of it's mouth.

They do, and it is admirable. They've done a genuinely brilliant job in NZ. I'm just reminding weldoninho that he lives in a glass house.

easypazz

YFlyer wrote: »

Just got a text from a friend that the hospitals are empty and many people said that to him. Typical conspiracy nut.

The hospitals are empty, nobody going near them, all elective procedures cancelled.

Very few car crashes, sports injuries etc.

Wolf359f

bekker wrote: »

Can anyone fill in the ???



Taken form HSE table 'Hospital statistics'

Is it 416?

gabeeg

fritzelly wrote: »

The other half was on the phone to the sister earlier this evening - the sister told her there is now an alcohol ban in place til next Wednesday (she would be one for a bottle or crate of wine and apparently the store she went to had none left and they told her this news)
Wouldn't believe me when I said its rubbish

Is this the latest whatscrap stuff going round?

Try to sell her a bottle of prosecco for 80 quid

Ficheall

Wolf359f wrote: »

We just need to get over this curve, slowly get back to a new normal, maintaining social distancing, cough etiquette. When case numbers rise, and they will, it should be at a much slower pace. Testing should be improved and rapid, with contract tracing, to help suppress it more.

They couldn't contact trace completely when hardly anyone had it, what makes you think they're going to be able to do it better when many, many more people do?

AtomicHorror

Danzy wrote: »

First thing would be to stretch the by 600 miles length, good bit wider and half the population density.

Also move it off major transit hubs and away from others.

Very true, direct comparisons are difficult.

The NZ numbers are very compelling, but I think it'll be years before meaningful analyses can pick apart the different outcomes across the globe.

old_aussie

YFlyer wrote: »

Just got a text from a friend that the hospitals are empty and many people said that to him. Typical conspiracy nut.

Be careful, I think that text may have given you alzheimer's

Wolf359f

Ficheall wrote: »

They couldn't contact trace completely when hardly anyone had it, what makes you think they're going to be able to do it better when many, many more people do?

This is all new to everyone of us. Of course mistakes were made and people/powers to be were slow to act. Once restrictions will be lifted, it won't be our first time. Kinda like Asia and their experience with SARS.

YFlyer

Tell me how wrote: »

Tell him I got a text from a family member who spent the day working at a hospital in Dublin and said there were ambulances calling to the Covid entrance all day?

That would fall on deaf ears.

igCorcaigh

Wolf359f wrote: »

At least we have the test centers and process setup already. Obviously needs to be fine tuned, but the system is in place.

We just need to get over this curve, slowly get back to a new normal, maintaining social distancing, cough etiquette. When case numbers rise, and they will, it should be at a much slower pace. Testing should be improved and rapid, with contract tracing, to help suppress it more. Which should mean people can still work and get paid, shop, go for a longer walk, but that's it I think. See how that goes and then come September, obviously the schools will have to open.

Yes, I think we will be very well prepared for a second wave, if it comes.

We won't have the supply bottlenecks I hope, and populations have been well rehearsed on what to do.

Hopefully we will come to the decline phase of this wave soon.

YFlyer

easypazz wrote: »

The hospitals are empty, nobody going near them, all elective procedures cancelled.

Very few car crashes, sports injuries etc.

I said that to him.

YFlyer

old_aussie wrote: »

Be careful, I think that text may have given you alzheimer's

Any means to forget.

AtomicHorror

Ficheall wrote: »

They couldn't contact trace completely when hardly anyone had it, what makes you think they're going to be able to do it better when many, many more people do?

Well for starters, they've been reassigning the public sector to contact tracing and COVID-related work. Health department, but also people from completely unrelated offices- arts, libraries, immigration.

bekker

Wolf359f wrote: »

Is it 416?

On the basis of that table 27 have died in hospital without being admitted to ICU, and 6 have died without being admitted to hospital.

Wolf359f

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Well for starters, they've been reassigning the public sector to contact tracing and COVID-related work. Health department, but also people from completely unrelated offices- arts, libraries, immigration.

I would assume for a second wave, all those departments reassigned would be ready to hit the ground running, same for all departments, everyone really. This was something nobody outside of Asia has experienced before.

Logan Roy

tails_naf wrote: »

True, but insnt it curious that I caught something being isolated for nearly 4 weeks. So while I don't think I have covid19, I can't fathom how I'm sick, even mildly with that amount of time passed

Im the same, sore throat and slight chill the last few days. It’s hay fever almost certainly. Between the fine calm weather and being more exposed to it due to not being in an air conditioned office all day it is a bit more severe.

AtomicHorror

Wolf359f wrote: »

I would assume for a second wave, all those departments reassigned would be ready to hit the ground running, same for all departments, everyone really. This was something nobody outside of Asia has experienced before.

I can't speak to their competence, I just know the numbers reassigned are significant enough that I've heard about it from a few different friends in different parts of the the public sector. Government departments and county councils.

Most of them are pretty unhappy about it, but then I've never met a public sector worker who was happy in their job.

JP100

The UK has 959 cases per 1 million population. While Ireland has 1,331 cases per 1 million population. I'd imagine the ratio is higher in Ireland because there's more case testing happening in Ireland per head of population. While in terms of the mortality rate the UK has 118 deaths per 1 million population. While Ireland has 53 deaths per 1 million population.

AtomicHorror

Logan Roy wrote: »

Im the same, sore throat and slight chill the last few days. It’s hay fever almost certainly. Between the fine calm weather and being more exposed to it due to not being in an air conditioned office all day it is a bit more severe.

Eh, tails probably has hay fever. But ironically, that's not normally accompanied by chills, which are a sign of actual fever. Keep an eye on that Logan. Don't let it go on too long.

Wolf359f

bekker wrote: »

On the basis of that table 27 have died in hospital without being admitted to ICU, and 6 have died without being admitted to hospital.

I don't know, just going by stats and of 1765 Healthcare workers, 27% should be hospitalized.... which yes, you would expect some deaths. Maybe they are younger, more fit/healthy so it's less.

It's certainly a good question for a journalist to ask. Hearing some are hospitalized and some in ICU would certainly be a shock for people to hear.

fin12

I haven’t heard our Taoiseach address anything about mental health in relation to this virus but Trump did tonight.

Logan Roy

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Eh, tails probably has hay fever. But ironically, that's not normally accompanied by chills, which are a sign of actual fever. Keep an eye on that Logan. Don't let it go on too long.

Ah no I’m grand! The chills are probably nothing more than tiredness, too much time on boards!

Wolf359f

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I can't speak to their competence, I just know the numbers reassigned are significant enough that I've heard about it from a few different friends in different parts of the the public sector. Government departments and county councils.

Most of them are pretty unhappy about it, but then I've never met a public sector worker who was happy in their job.

Of course, I'm sure the unions must have been in uproar, but absolutely zero public support, so they kept silent.
We will hear when it's all over, they should deserve a pay rise though, while over half a million of us, willing and able to work were not allowed to.

babybuilder

jobeenfitz wrote: »

I recently listened to a podcast documentary about TB patients in Ireland. And they were brought out, beds n all. I think it was from the "Documentary on one" RTRadio collection of podcasts.

Read somewhere that in the emergency field hospitals during the 1918 pandemic there were lower fatalities than in the brick and mortar hospitals. The movement of air presumably.

BanditLuke

Logan Roy wrote: »

Im the same, sore throat and slight chill the last few days. It’s hay fever almost certainly. Between the fine calm weather and being more exposed to it due to not being in an air conditioned office all day it is a bit more severe.

It sounds like hayfever as this is tree pollen season grass pollen isn't until mid May. I've had this also and have gotten it every year for last few years at same time.

AtomicHorror

fin12 wrote: »

I haven’t heard our Taoiseach address anything about mental health in relation to this virus but Trump did tonight.

We should totally commend Trump every time he doesn't actively cause harm by speaking. I feel that would be constructive.

Rob A. Bank

Dr. Trump recommended hydroxychloroquine again today, before chickening out of the press conference. He is becoming the world’s most prominent peddler of medical misinformation.

An article from The Atlantic explained the background to 'Why Does the President Keep Pushing a Malaria Drug?'

In six patients with COVID-19, the doctors combined hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin (known to many as “Z-Pak,” an antibiotic that kills bacteria, not viruses) and reported that after six days of this regimen, all six people tested negative for the virus.

The report caught the eye of the celebrity doctor Mehmet Oz, who has since appeared on Fox News to talk about hydroxychloroquine 21 times. As Oz put it to Sean Hannity, “This French doctor, [Didier] Raoult, a very famous infectious-disease specialist, had done some interesting work at a pilot study showing that he could get rid of the virus in six days in 100 percent of the patients he treated.”...

Oz’s “100 percent” interpretation involves conspicuous omissions.

According to the study itself, three other patients who received hydroxychloroquine were too sick to be tested for the virus by day six (they were intubated in the ICU). Another had a bad reaction to the drug and stopped taking it. Another was not tested because, by day six, he had died.