CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

declanflynn

Silverbonnet wrote: »

Success? 158 deaths so far. Look at countries of similar population, there's no success here. Compared to the UK we're doing well, that's saying nothing.

stick on the ould green jersey for an hour there mate

Silverbonnet

easypazz wrote: »

Where are they on the curve though?

We may be at peak, we are certainly closer to it than they are.

I don't know but we can all say that Trump has been a joke, he didn't take this thing seriously. Their numbers are better than ours. How has that happened? Is being in a better state than the UK or the US anything to shout about?

easypazz

Silverbonnet wrote: »

Ad hominem. Tell me how we're doing better than the US?

Because things over there are expected to get an awful lot worse, whereas we should be coming out the other side soon.

Silverbonnet

coastwatch wrote: »

True, but only if all countries are counting the same way.

What do you mean? Just look at the total deaths.

Silverbonnet

easypazz wrote: »

Most being elderly people in nursing homes by the sounds of things.

That's ok then. Let them die.

gabeeg

scamalert wrote: »

want a test for what ? theres no treatment u muppet. seems your the one hysteric and would be first to cry with a bit of sniffle on ya

There's no treatment?

Have you been living under a rock?

Silverbonnet

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

That will change very soon.

Great. What about the other hundreds of countries?

Jim_Hodge

Silverbonnet wrote: »

It's on the table, read it. Our numbers per million are awful.

You really don't understand statistics, epidemics, nor timeframes do you?

The US, among others, are only ramping up now and, despite Trump's assertions, will not be at the US peak within the next two weeks.

Away With The Fairies

scamalert wrote: »

want a test for what ? theres no treatment u muppet. seems your the one hysteric and would be first to cry with a bit of sniffle on ya

Why don't you tell all the doctors who's sending people off to get tested that there's no treatment?

CIARAN_BOYLE

gabeeg wrote: »

There's no treatment?

Have you been living under a rock?

There's no treatment.

There's treatment in trials but nothing proven yet.

You can treat the symptoms but that's the same whether you have a bacterial infection or covid 19.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why don't you tell all the doctors who's sending people off to get tested that there's no treatment?

The test isnt for the benefit of the person being tested. It's to inform the public health doctors.

threeball

paddythere wrote: »

In theory, if we all stay in and stop spreading it, eventually everyone who has it will either die or recover and there will be no way for it to spread, IN THEORY...in my opinion this strategy could have worked if we done it 6 weeks ago when the writing was on the wall

It wouldn't as we would get it again once we opened our borders. Plus we have a neighbour to the north operating under different rules.

NH2013

deaglan1 wrote: »

Sobering when you remove microstates - our deaths per 1 M pop are high enough, just below Sweden, the country that has curtailed nothing!!!

Yes but I believe a lot of this comes down to how we record the deaths here, our figures are for any death of someone who has tested positive for Corona, regardless if that was the leading cause of death, a contributing factor, or totally unrelated. As it stands, you could test positive for corona here, be mildly symtomatic, walk out the front door and be hit by a car and you'd still go down in the table of "Death of a person confirmed to be infected with COVID-19"

So our numbers are quite conservative and may skew the graph to make us look worse than other countries on a comparison basis.

Compare this to Germany where if you've an underlying condition then you're not to be put down as a COVID death, only deaths with no underlying health conditions there are recorded as COVID deaths, so to compare us to other countries, while perhaps interesting isn't a good measure.

What is important is our growth rate of deaths, our occupancy of ICUs and he countries general compliance with measures as a measure for how good we're doing on combating this virus.

Mervyn Skidmore

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why don't you tell all the doctors who's sending people off to get tested that there's no treatment?

A test is not treatment or a cure. It's just a snapshot in time to see if someone has the virus.

Jim_Hodge

Silverbonnet wrote: »

What do you mean? Just look at the total deaths.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? We are counting non-hospital deaths, unlike many other countries. But I suspect you know this and are just occupying a bored Sunday night at the keyboard.

Enjoy.

paddythere

threeball wrote: »

It wouldn't as we would get it again once we opened our borders. Plus we have a neighbour to the north operating under different rules.

We have to close borders obviously

owlbethere

I don't understand something. Hopefully we will turn a corner soon and we see new cases dropping. Hopefully this will happen.

What's the point in allowing flights to come in from hotspots. I would be very worried about flights coming in from America because that country is devided on this and fairly dim too. I don't want people coming in that would be potential carriers. Forced quarantine will have to happen. Put arrivals up in hotels near the airports.

gabeeg

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

There's no treatment.

There's treatment in trials but nothing proven yet.

You can treat the symptoms but that's the same whether you have a bacterial infection or covid 19.

Oxygen is a treatment. Ventilators are a treatment. Intubation is a treatment.

yada yada yada

Silverbonnet

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Are you being deliberately obtuse? We are counting non-hospital deaths, unlike many other countries. But I suspect you know this and are just occupying a bored Sunday night at the keyboard.

Enjoy.

Proof?

eagle eye

A lot of people getting more aggressive, calling people names.
Just take a break for a while if you are losing the cool. You'll only end up with a warning or ban if you keep at it.

easypazz

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why don't you tell all the doctors who's sending people off to get tested that there's no treatment?

They are sending people for testing so that positive cases can be told to self quarantine to stop the spread.

If you test positive you can take paracetamol.

Jizique

Silverbonnet wrote: »

That's ok then. Let them die.

Nobody said “let them die” except you but most are frail and have underlying conditions and a relatively poor quality of life, sad and all as it is to say this.
It’s not as if a load of crèches are being taken out

Away With The Fairies

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The test isnt for the benefit of the person being tested. It's to inform the public health doctors.

Then everyone with symptoms should be tested so. Get a real figure.

walshb

Still hundreds per day testing positive...we’re quite a way still to go.

Are we to expect a surge all next week?

Increasing numbers of tests expected...4500 per day..

Silverbonnet

Jizique wrote: »

Nobody said “let them die” except you but most are frail and have underlying conditions and a relatively poor quality of life, sad and all as it is to say this.
It’s not as if a load of crèches are being taken out

Same as everywhere else? Doesn't explain why we're doing so badly.

blackcard

Silverbonnet wrote: »

It's horrendous. We're at an advantage over most and tobe so far up that table is sickening.

The population density in Sweden is a third of ours?

nacho libre

keynes wrote: »

The lockdown actually increases the number of susceptible people, so nothing has changed regarding the virulence of a likely second wave

Yes. So it will be a tough ask of those 70 plus to remain in isolation, when restrictions gradually ease for every one else. I suspect that might be what the strategy will be once new cases are are in very low figures. Along with other measures such as anyone coming into the country having to self-isolate for 14 days, unless we develop the technology that enable each passenger to do a five minute test on arrival that will establish if they have the virus or not.

frillyleaf

Silverbonnet wrote: »

I don't know but we can all say that Trump has been a joke, he didn't take this thing seriously. Their numbers are better than ours. How has that happened? Is being in a better state than the UK or the US anything to shout about?

Are they really better than ours?

coastwatch

Silverbonnet wrote: »

What do you mean? Just look at the total deaths.

The UK does not currently include deaths in nursing homes, only hospitals.
The irish report includes nursing homes.
France wasn't including nursing home deaths either, not sure about any other country.
So unless all countries are reporting in the same way, it's very difficult to compare.

declanflynn

Silverbonnet wrote: »

Same as everywhere else? Doesn't explain why we're doing so badly.

can you take a break for a few minutes