CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

cloudatlas

Just listening to a podcast there about the illegal felling of Rosewood trees in Senegal. Apparently the Chinese are all over West Africa planting and felling trees that have been there originally. China has a strong foothold in Africa and a lot of countries where they are building infrastructure.

lawrencesummers

citysights wrote: »

Why would a house have bars over the windows, strange picture.

The bars aren’t over the Windows

Vicxas

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Schools are the big problem for any route plan 'back to normality'. How do you maintain any level of hand hygiene or social distancing in that environment, especially primary schools?

I have a feeling schools wont be back until September, the rest of the adult world will be shunted back to normality at the middle/end of June.

citysights

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The bars aren’t over the Windows

In front, looks like prison anyway.

iguana

threeball wrote: »

Well thats an indictment of the society we've created, full of people who fold at the first sign of adversity. I could undetstand one or two but there were at least 15 posters here last night moaning about how tough it is. You would really have to wonder what we would do in a real crisis where you were in danger no matter where you went or there was a lack of food.

Having to stay home in comfort isn't the hardship. But knowing that I might never see my grandmother again is. She lives a few minutes away and I can't go see her because the very act of seeing her could kill her. That is the torture. And even when restrictions are lifted for everyone else, we'll still have to distance from our elderly and vulnerable loved ones. And as much as people talk about mental health, I think that in a lot of ways the people most vulnerable to mental health issues are the elderly. Once you are in your 80s onwards, your mental state has a pretty big effect on your physical state. The same goes for being able to get some exercise. Elderly people who get out and socialise tend to be healthier. Now they are losing that with no end in sight for them. When the rest of us are back free to go to work and gyms and visit our friends. When kids can go back to school and parks and birthday parties. The elderly and vulnerable people will still have to live in isolation. And that actually is awful.

Logan Roy

antodeco wrote: »

The only way they can ease restrictions is in a lot of stages

- Stage 1 (when cases stabilise at less than 150 a day) - Allow family members to see each other. No more than 5 people allowed. Restrict movements after 11pm (so no house parties etc) - 1 month

- Stage 2 (when cases stabilise at less than 100 a day) - Allow commercial outlets reopen, but must adhere to strict social distancing rules - 3 months

- Stage 3 (when cases stabilise at less than 50 a day) - Allow office workers resume to the office - 1 month

- Stage 4 (when cases stabilise at less than 10 a day) - Allow social gatherings (not pubs etc but restaurants ok) - 1 month

- Stage 5 (when 0 cases appear) - All pubs reopen

At any stage when the daily cases goes above the threshold you go back a stage. We have at least 6 months of enhanced restrictions. I'd be surprised to see pubs open before Halloween unless all this just disappears

There's no way it's going to pan out like this.

the.red.baron

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

66% die and 34% survive.

where are you getting the numbers

iwillyeah1234

Ficheall wrote: »

The WHO, the UK, the US, and the Irish governments, to name a few, all downplayed the threat - at least the Chinese had the excuse that it was something new and unknown that they were dealing with and hoping to contain. The others had weeks of clearly seeing how much of a f*cking problem it was going to be before they did anything about it. You would sooner bring China to task?



Have you any evidence of this whatsoever?

I agree. The CCP isn’t the only body at fault. The various national governments, the EU and the USA had the chance to ban all flights from China to stop the spread internationally. But they didn’t.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/trump-never-actually-banned-flights-from-china-or-/

iwillyeah1234

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

66% die and 34% survive.

Yes , it was some horrific figure like that. Italian doctors forced to play God. Absolutely terrible and heart breaking.

the.red.baron

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

I agree. The CCP isn’t the only body at fault. The various national governments, the EU and the USA had the chance to ban all flights from China to stop the spread internationally. But they didn’t.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/trump-never-actually-banned-flights-from-china-or-/

it was probably already here by the stage they could have done that


It might have slowed it down for sure

iwillyeah1234

the.red.baron wrote: »

it was probably already here by the stage they could have done that


It might have slowed it down for sure

It definitely would have bought us some extra time to stock up on PPEs for medical staff.

FishOnABike

the.red.baron wrote: »

what are you two ****ing on about


it affects the lungs, you breath through your lungs, thus lack of oxygen

It may be this

https://mobile.twitter.com/MedicinePrimal/status/1246603103345967105?s=19

It seems it might not be a direct impact on lung functioning or a result of secondary pneumonia but the virus affecting the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood by attacking the oxygen carrying haemoglobin in the blood.

GM228

Press release from the US Department of Agriculture on the Tiger:-

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/newsroom/news/sa_by_date/sa-2020/ny-zoo-covid-19

The United States Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) National Veterinary Services Laboratories has confirmed SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19 in humans) in one tiger at a zoo in New York. This is the first instance of a tiger being infected with COVID-19. Samples from this tiger were taken and tested after several lions and tigers at the zoo showed symptoms of respiratory illness.

Hector Savage

citysights wrote: »

Why would a house have bars over the windows, strange picture.

apartment on street level, most of them have it here, otherwise the place would be burgled on a daily basis.

Professor Moriarty

the.red.baron wrote: »

where are you getting the numbers

Some interesting stats if you want to dig.

See Bob24's post below.

Pseudonym121

PowerToWait wrote: »

I hope you get it, and you’re left suffocating. As you’ve consistently rubbished all efforts to curtail this and protect the susceptible.

His attitude is horrible and I certainly think he is wrong but this hope is utterly unreasonable. I hope no-one no matter how repugnant gets and suffocates to death from this.

You’d never wish this if you’d ever seen anyone suffocating to death from Illness.

Bob24

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

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Here[/URL]

Some interesting stats if you want to dig.

Just FYI - you linked the PDF as a local file on your (HP?) computer.

I think this is the report you are referring to?

Hector Savage

Hector Savage wrote: »

Apt picture from BBC news ...


PRISON

Never seen anyone applauding when in prison.

the.red.baron

FishOnABike wrote: »

It may be this

https://mobile.twitter.com/MedicinePrimal/status/1246603103345967105?s=19

It seems it might not be a direct impact on lung functioning or a result of secondary pneumonia but the virus affecting the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood by attacking the oxygen carrying haemoglobin in the blood.

pretty sketchy on the details

iwillyeah1234

FishOnABike wrote: »

It may be this

https://mobile.twitter.com/MedicinePrimal/status/1246603103345967105?s=19

It seems it might not be a direct impact on lung functioning or a result of secondary pneumonia but the virus affecting the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood by attacking the oxygen carrying haemoglobin in the blood.

Sounds to me that the virus is using red blood cells as a transport mechanism? Red blood cells don’t have a nucleus , and thus cannot be used for virus reproduction.

threeball

Nermal wrote: »

In this twisted view of the world, huddling in our homes is somehow standing up to adversity then, is it?

You're free to head out and take your chances whilst also putting others in danger once you return but thats up to you. I dont see what you're suggesting is an alternative or are you just having a snipe because you're running out of things to watch on netflix and can't take it anymore.

iwillyeah1234

the.red.baron wrote: »

pretty sketchy on the details

Here’s the paper in question , by 2 Chinese scientists

https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173?fbclid=IwAR0wkXcqg2XvCmrUWG21-b4d0aJf3iW0yPsKj7KoHjWs2T2Z3WoaQPWeZK4

the.red.baron

DubInMeath wrote: »

Never seen anyone applauding when in prison.

only sarcastically

ek motor

Bob24 wrote: »

Just FYI - you linked the PDF as a local file on your (HP?) computer.

I think this is the report you are referring to?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients?t=1586100392527&t=1586166344519

Professor Moriarty

Bob24 wrote: »

Just FYI - you linked the PDF as a local file on your (HP?) computer.

I think this is the report you are referring to?

How is it now?

citysights

Hector Savage wrote: »

apartment on street level, most of them have it here, otherwise the place would be burgled on a daily basis.

Yes thought same didn’t look like a house at all.

iguana

DubInMeath wrote: »

Never seen anyone applauding when in prison.

You've never seen Mac dance for his dad on Always Sunny then.:P

marno21

There is one dimension to the whole thing here which a lot of people aren't factoring in. This is a totally novel virus that has only been seen outside of China for the last 8/9 weeks, and the knowledge of the virus, it's transmissability, the disease it causes and potential treatments of the virus are not yet fully understood. The parameters for dealing with the virus aren't frozen in time, and are evolving at a rate at which it's difficult to keep pace with.

The input factors into policies and approaches for dealing with the virus are changing week-to-week. As our understanding of the virus develops, and our knowledge of potential methods for dealing with the virus develop, we may see new weapons in the ongoing fight. It's unlikely we see any silver bullets here, but if we found methods for reducing either the proportion of patients requiring intensive care, or reducing the time those patients spend in intensive care, it would be a game changer for our health system's capacity to deal with the virus.

The reasons for the lockdown aren't to eradicate the virus. They are to buy us time to enable us to stock up on necessities for dealing with those who are especially sick, to enable the population to become aware of the virus and what's needed to stop it, to prepare the health system for a large increase in admissions from the virus, and to further our understanding of the virus and how it can be treated. Also of course the vaccine, but that's so far out in the future we need to plan without it.

Bob24

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How is it now?

Still the local path on your computer (C:\...). You need to link a URL (http://...) or you can attach a file to a post ("Attach Files" in the advanced post edition interface).

But I think this is the one, right?

iguana

iguana wrote: »

You've never seen Mac dance for his dad on Always Sunny then.:P

Never watched it, it's on the list however.