CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

dinorebel

Work asked me to put together a video about working from home works better with sound

Multipass

From the conclusions of this paper in 2007

Coronaviruses are well known to undergo genetic recombination (375), which may lead to new genotypes and outbreaks. The presence of a large reser- voir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb.

https://cmr.asm.org/content/cmr/20/4/660.full.pdf

tobefrank321

gabeeg wrote: »

I assume you've travelled China extensively?

What on earth has that got to do with it? There are hundreds of hours of footage online of these markets, more so than any traveller would ever see.

Another denier of poor Chinese food standards I see.

Inquitus

spookwoman wrote: »

They are not even sure those asymptomatic are immune. They can't even be sure if you are immune after recovering from it and how long the immunity lasts for. Still early days in understanding the virus.

https://time.com/5810454/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection/

Aye if it doesn't confer immunity then we are in a very bad place.

Darwin

Wife was speaking to her friend in Vienna, and they are to start relaxing the lockdown from next week (assuming everything goes as planned), with most things open by mid-May except the border with other countries.

normanoffside

Supercell wrote: »

Big jump today, 507 in Ireland according to WHO

If that's the case it's just because of larger numbers of test coming back from Germany.
Most of those cases are so old that the majority of patients have already recovered.

It's definitely going to prove a problem that our current data is actually a reflection of the past.

Supercell

is_that_so wrote: »

3 hours ahead of DoH?

Don't know what the final figure will be later, see for yourself on - https://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ead3c6475654481ca51c248d52ab9c61
Hover over 6th of April bar chart for Ireland and the number pops up - 507

Curious_Case

Lwaker. wrote: »

I just caught a clip of Donald Trump referring to "luxury ventilators"

Is there different specs

Oh I'd imagine any ventilator that president trump has anything to do with couldn't be ordinary, it must be a five star, premium, luxury ventilator

He's a great man and not a lot of people know that, he's down some tremendous things

Not like those terrible people who don't think he's tremendous

tobefrank321

What the apologists for Chinese wet markets don't understand is it only takes a handful of people to eat bats or drink bat soup, get infected and spread it, to start a worldwide pandemic.

DevilsHaircut

Widdensushi wrote: »

houlihan said last week that no cases had been traced to Cheltenham

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/genetics-shed-light-on-origins-of-irish-strains-of-covid-19-1.4221383

This is a shoddy clickbait article.

No Irish Covid 19 genome was sequenced and sent to http://nextstrain.org from a sample taken after 10 March, the day the Cheltenham festival started.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for any Cheltenham goers to be included in this data.

thegreengoblin

Strazdas wrote: »

Denmark and Austria too. These guys might offer us a way out of the lockdown soon, as their Covid situation is very similar to ours.

This is where statements by our public representatives need to be measured as much as being optimistic. Give people hope but you don't want to be telling the muppets that it's ok to all leg it down the beach again.

Supercell

normanoffside wrote: »

If that's the case it's just because of larger numbers of test coming back from Germany.
Most of those cases are so old that the majority of patients have already recovered.

It's definitely going to prove a problem that our current data is actually a reflection of the past.

Probably right , the trend is still upwards though hopefully that will change this week, being the second week of semi-lockdown here.

is_that_so

Supercell wrote: »

Don't know what the final figure will be later, see for yourself on - https://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ead3c6475654481ca51c248d52ab9c61
Hover over 6th of April bar chart for Ireland and the number pops up - 507

If you click on the dot on the map of Ireland you see this. We are currently at 4994 and that graph total doesn't match.
Total Cases: 5,111
last 7 days: 2,496

Total Deaths: 158
last 7 days: 112

First Case Reported: 2 Mar 2020
Last Case Reported: 6 Apr 2020

Crude Cumulative Incidence: 104.7
(per 100 000 population)

Crude Cumulative Deaths: 32.4
(per 1 000 000 population)

tobefrank321

normanoffside wrote: »

If that's the case it's just because of larger numbers of test coming back from Germany.
Most of those cases are so old that the majority of patients have already recovered.

It's definitely going to prove a problem that our current data is actually a reflection of the past.

The testing is all over the place and now no indicator of where we are at. We might have turned a corner, we mightn't have. The fact that we don't know where we are is worrying. How can we tell if a lockdown is working if we don't have a clue how many might be infected and when they were infected.

owlbethere

Multipass wrote: »

Interesting article predating Covid 19, which explains why China is the source of potential pandemics. Section 2.3

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6466186/#!po=7.57576

That's a good read.

From the videos that I saw online, if them wet markets are widespread in China and Asian countries, they are going to have to be sanctioned. There's too much turmoil happening all around the world from this and we are only at the start of this long road.

Discodog

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I wish Boris well in his fight against Covid-19.
Good & all as Dominic Rabb is, he ain't the PM.

Neither are in charge - Dominic Cummings is :pac:

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/CovidCountries/status/1247124432906223620?s=20

bennyl10

Supercell wrote: »

Big jump today, 507 in Ireland according to WHO

not even that big if true, imagine its still approx 10%?

not ideal obviously, but if this is even with the German lab results coming back, maybe we arent too bad still

tobefrank321

Deleted User wrote: »

I really have to just keep stressing the whole "tiny majority" thing. I live in Vietnam, a country of 94 million, and I have never met or heard of anyone who likes anything an Irish person wouldn't, except for good seafood. I've asked so many students about this sort of stuff, and I've only ever heard about some grandparents who might still eat this weird stuff or believe in it. Asia has a serious antibiotics problem, not a Chinese medicine problem.

And you don't just have dead bats just lying around markets where people buy their pork for dinner. They'd think it was disgusting, just like we would. It's such a pity that west is gaining this idea in their heads that Chinese people shop in bloody gruesome markets with every variety of weird animal getting skinned around them, because it started in one market there.

How long do you think a restaurant serving bats or bat soup would remain open in Ireland? It would be shut down immediately by the Irish FSA.

plodder

Multipass wrote: »

From the conclusions of this paper in 2007

Coronaviruses are well known to undergo genetic recombination (375), which may lead to new genotypes and outbreaks. The presence of a large reser- voir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb.

https://cmr.asm.org/content/cmr/20/4/660.full.pdf

And look at the authors of the paper.. Nobody could dismiss that as anti-Chinese.

Vincent C. C. Cheng, Susanna K. P. Lau, Patrick C. Y. Woo, and Kwok Yung Yuen*State Key Laboratory of Emerging Infectious Diseases, Department of Microbiology, Research Centre of Infection andImmunology, The University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, China

Fr_Dougal

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CovidCountries/status/1247124432906223620?s=20

Probably different reporting times, the WHO is a 9am report, the one we receive in the evening from the HSE includes later cases.

Corkgirl20

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CovidCountries/status/1247124432906223620?s=20

How do we have 21 additional deaths yet the total number of deaths remains the same as yesterday?
Am I reading this wrong ?

bekker

Most recent table published allows <65 versus >65 hospitalization breakdown.

<65 are normally productive sector of population.

They are also the cohort which, if suffering consequential health issues, will become a charge on the economy for the greatest period of time.

Those admitted to ICU are most likely to be the ones suffering the greatest consequential damage, specially those put on ventilators.

Cohort Hospitalised ICUd
Total No. 1116 158
>65 540 66
<65 576 92
Total % % %
>65 48.39 12.22
<65 51.61 15.97

Source:


'Number of cases', 'Number of Cases that died', are undefined and so could not be used in comparison.

niallo27

tobefrank321 wrote: »

What the apologists for Chinese wet markets don't understand is it only takes a handful of people to eat bats or drink bat soup, get infected and spread it, to start a worldwide pandemic.

I thought patient zero was traced back to be a Shrimp seller.

is_that_so

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CovidCountries/status/1247124432906223620?s=20

What is that 507? 5111-4994=117.

tobefrank321

tobefrank321 wrote: »

What the apologists for Chinese wet markets don't understand is it only takes a handful of people to eat bats or drink bat soup, get infected and spread it, to start a worldwide pandemic.

Apologist is too strong. It's just a fact of life that we can't all afford nice butchers and packaged meats in shops. If they were such a risk with billions of people using them, we'd have a lot more outbreaks.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

How do we have 21 additional deaths yet the total number of deaths remains the same as yesterday?
Am I reading this wrong ?

The 21 deaths is yesterday's deaths.

is_that_so

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Probably different reporting times, the WHO is a 9am report, the one we receive in the evening from the HSE includes later cases.

HSE cases will probably be to midnight on Saturday, that's usually the lag now.

walshb

Una Mullaley article in the Irish Times today about Leo’s mask slipping due to an off the cuff remark....

Anyone have any details?

is_that_so

walshb wrote: »

Una Mullaley article in the Irish Times today about Leo’s mask slipping due to an off the cuff remark....

Anyone have any details?

It's in the first paragraph and you can just about read it.