CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

cameramonkey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They sent a huge batch of around 5000 tests to Germany last week and it was said yesterday those results had started to filter back from Friday and that Germany could do 2000 per day. The delay is in processing the swabs not in getting the test.

Expect this to clear up this week.

Anyway even if there is a delay of say 15 days, the majority of these would have been in self isolation and now be recovered and if not would have been admitted to hospital. It's the hosptial numbers, ICU and deaths to watch

Have you a link to that 5000 batch, that would be a welcome addition.

El Weirdo

Yester wrote: »

It's more in response to the bit you watched.

Yeah, thought that and gave it a chance.

loughside

Good to see 5 million pieces of PPE delivered into Belfast today from the NHS.
I see most it is of 3M manufacture so will be of better quality than that junk delivered to the poor souls in ROI.

Northern Ireland now has "sufficient" personal protection equipment (PPE) for frontline workers, the health minister has said.

It comes as a shipment of 5.5m pieces of PPE was delivered to Northern Ireland on Monday.

Robin Swann visited the Boucher Road warehouse in Belfast which is storing 1,320,000 aprons and 307,800 FFP3 respirator masks.

A further delivery is expected later this week.

Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis has said the PPE will be delivered to the health services "in the course of the day".

duffman13

plodder wrote: »

It may be the case that poor people frequent these markets, and the term "wet market" means different things, but as regards the exotic animals, the video I saw tended to support the view that it was mostly the well heeled. It's really hard to believe that bats are a better/cheaper source of protein for people than mass produced pork for example.

Fair enough, I was in a couple of markets during my time there, however the one that stands out was disgusting, I havent watched any videos of these however they were full of live and somewhat exotic animals/fish. It was hard to walk around it but it was rammed full of people and most of them were not well dressed on the hunt for a delicacy. It was on the outskirts of Chengdu and tbh it was a fairly overwhelming experience and not one I would like to repeat.

I wanted to go have a look at one and various cities like Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou only had them in the outskirts and not really accessible.

From reading this
https://www.latimes.com/food/story/2020-03-11/coronavirus-china-wet-markets

It would appear I was at a wildlife market and some of the other markets like Xi'an would be considered a wet market even though they have no live stock.

I have been to both but wouldnt have known the terminology until this thread prompted me to have a google.

is_that_so

walshb wrote: »

What first paragraph?

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-mullally-leo-varadkar-s-mask-drops-again-1.4221363

Ficheall

normanoffside wrote: »

Well if you can keep catching it and spreading it indefinitely then we are all fubarred anyway aren't we?

Well, if we knew for sure people had antibodies that staved off the virus, then it would be nice to, for example, have recovered nurses and doctors treat the coronavirus patients etc.

stephenjmcd

cameramonkey wrote: »

Have you a link to that 5000 batch, that would be a welcome addition.

Pic attached, company have done work for cancer charities in the past

normanoffside

Ficheall wrote: »

Well, if we knew for sure people had antibodies that staved off the virus, then it would be nice to, for example, have recovered nurses and doctors treat the coronavirus patients etc.

Agreed.
It could well be that regular people with said Anibodies would be able to get back to life as normal and perhaps even be encouraged to donate blood for patients infected.

I think a proven antibody test will be the game changer.

RebelButtMunch

normanoffside wrote: »

It's better to have more people who have had it and are in theory now immune and unable to spread it.

100% wrong. Immune people can carry and spread it

is_that_so

cameramonkey wrote: »

I was listing to RTE today at one. Fergal Bowers said that there are big delays in testing. He said no exact date on the scale of the back log in testing, said testing delay 7-10. days he is aware of delays of 15-17 days. Said swabs were sent to Germany and the first of 2000 results due back later this week. Said HSE had sourced reagent but have to test it. Said testing dropped to 1500 a day last week(was it ever above that?)

I dont know if they sent one batch of 2000 to Germany or they sent daily batches.It seems from previous HSE information that testing has fallen below 1500 per day now.

Both Reid and Henry said tests were back over the weekend but got the impression that data may not be immediately available. I know people are a bit vexed over that "delay" but if it's beyond 14 days it's fairly irrelevant at this stage as they'd either be clear or already recorded if hospitalised.

bekker

BCG vaccination may be giving up to 20x level of immunity to COVID-19, new about to be published statistical comparative study suggests according to IT's Kevin O'Sullivan online .

tobefrank321

Ficheall wrote: »

No, I can understand the complaints about the wet markets, for sure, but the whole "blaming the Chinese" and "making them pay" is a bit over the top. It's like wanting to hold the Irish collectively accountable when a few members of the population do something reprehensible.

Its to do with Food Standards. Governments set food standards. We're not an authoritarian state here in Ireland but we take our food standards seriously and enforce them rigorously, otherwise we'd all be suffering regular illnesses and sicknesses. Food standards are very important and any country who takes a blasé attitude to them like the Chinese government does, deserves to be called out. The same applies to all countries before someone starts the whataboutery.

Seamai

cameramonkey wrote: »

I was listing to RTE today at one. Fergal Bowers said that there are big delays in testing. He said no exact date on the scale of the back log in testing, said testing delay 7-10. days he is aware of delays of 15-17 days. Said swabs were sent to Germany and the first of 2000 results due back later this week. Said HSE had sourced reagent but have to test it. Said testing dropped to 1500 a day last week(was it ever above that?)

I dont know if they sent one batch of 2000 to Germany or they sent daily batches.It seems from previous HSE information that testing has fallen below 1500 per day now.

I heard that the results back from Germany last Friday then Saturday and one of female reporters on 6.1 last night said that they had got a batch back and were processing them into last night's figures and that very moment. 2 hours later Fergal Bowers was bag to saying "later this week". Either someone is telling porkies or not doing their job properly.

babybuilder

If there are swabs from 1/2 weeks waiting to be analysed. Surely these are not reliable considering the time elapsed?

Rob A. Bank

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Blanco100

Uk deaths are down by a third to 434. Still alot, but seems to be stabilizing.

Jim_Hodge

Seamai wrote: »

I heard that the results back from Germany last Friday then Saturday and one of female reporters on 6.1 last night said that they had got a batch back and were processing them into last night's figures and that very moment. 2 hours later Fergal Bowers was bag to saying "later this week". Either someone is telling porkies or not not doing their job properly.

In fairness, Fergal Bowers has gotten the wrong end of the stick a few times lately.

eagle eye

People talking about things being relaxed a bit on April 14th and back to normal in early May.
Where is this coming from?
I don't think you need to be a scientist or medical professional to know that it would be crazy to so these things do soon.
If it happens it's all about money, not about public health.

normanoffside

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

100% wrong. Immune people can carry and spread it

Are you confusing Immune with Asymptomatic?

Immune means you can't be infected.

xabi

bekker wrote: »

BCG vaccination may be giving up to 20x level of immunity to COVID-19, new about to be published statistical comparative study suggests according to IT's Kevin O'Sullivan online .

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-more-striking-evidence-bcg-vaccine-might-protect-against-covid-19-1.4222110

fritzelly

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-mullally-leo-varadkar-s-mask-drops-again-1.4221363

Failing to see whats wrong with what he said - isn't the welfare rejecting these claims anyway

Seamai

eagle eye wrote: »

People talking about things being relaxed a bit on April 14th and back to normal in early May.
Where is this coming from?
I don't think you need to be a scientist or medical professional to know that it would be crazy to so these things do soon.
If it happens it's all about money, not about public health.

It's bat shít crazy, that's what it is.
(Excuse my flipancy, I couldn't resist it)

is_that_so

eagle eye wrote: »

People talking about things being relaxed a bit on April 14th and back to normal in early May.
Where is this coming from?
I don't think you need to be a scientist or medical professional to know that it would be crazy to so these things do soon.
If it happens it's all about money, not about public health.

Because Austria, Norway, possibly Germany, Cechia and Denmark are about to start doing that.

owlbethere

tobefrank321 wrote: »

In a world were you can buy a box of Viagra for a couple of dollars (so I hear), there is no reason for Traditional Chinese Medicine promoting a cure for these ailments. Very little of TCM is proven to work, its mostly mythical and rumoured cures that don't actually work. Same goes for shark fin soup.

Its mystifying that the Japanese are rightly called out on their whaling, but there's next to no criticism of the Chinese shark fin industry.

I read a comment on YouTube I think it was saying in China people can buy antibiotics over the counter. If that's true, it's fcuked and that's another health disaster waiting to happen. Already some bacterial infections are resistant to antibiotics.

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

Because Austria, Norway, possibly Germany, Cechia and Denmark are about to start doing that.

We're about 2 weeks behind some of them. I'd give our measures until end of april and then look to see what they are doing and how it's worked so far

Buddy97mm

normanoffside wrote: »

Are you confusing Immune with Asymptomatic?

Immune means you can't be infected.

You can't be infected but can still carry the virus on hands, etc. and infect others

is_that_so

fritzelly wrote: »

Failing to see whats wrong with what he said - isn't the welfare rejecting these claims anyway

Someone asked for the source. I don't ever read Una Mullaly so can't comment.

paddythere

normanoffside wrote: »

Are you confusing Immune with Asymptomatic?

Immune means you can't be infected.

Its amazing that at this stage people still haven't come to terms with basic facts about the virus. How do we ever expect to beat it when we wont bother to actually educate ourselves about.

Here's another example:

A friend of mine texts me today telling about the fact that a Tiger was found to have had the virus

I said, ok but whats the importance of that?

He says, 'well it shows that animals can get it'

I said, well where the **** do you think the virus came from?

Seamai

fritzelly wrote: »

Failing to see whats wrong with what he said - isn't the welfare rejecting these claims anyway

It's Mullally, that's what she does, sanctimonious doesn't go there.

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

We're about 2 weeks behind some of them. I'd give our measures until end of april and then look to see what they are doing and how it's worked so far

Exactly.