CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

easypazz

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That's what I said, they had lockdown in about 2 weeks before us, therefore if they're looking now to try and restart soon then in about 2 weeks away we might hopefully be in the same position. That's hopefully, no guarantee of it of course

We closed our bars 1 day after Spain, I am hoping that it wasn't quite as advanced here as Spain was at that time.

We have a lower population density for starters.

So hopefully we are in the same place as Spain and Italy, its just wait and see for now.

macnug

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Does anyone know what years the BCG was given ? I know I had a round scar on my upper left arm ( born in the 1950,)

The BCG was stopped about five years ago. Don't think it has started up again.

Naggdefy

BanditLuke wrote: »

The right direction but by Jesus they are still paying a heavy toll in lives.

Less cases will unfortunately still have an unequal effect on a very stretched health system.

That's why it's so important for us to at least keep the rates as they are.

is_that_so

Strazdas wrote: »

For many decades I think.....definitely 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s etc

Introduced here in 1937 up until 2015, actually in that IT article.

owlbethere

fits wrote: »

That Kevin O'Sullivan article in IT is really giving me hope this evening.

Link here (again)
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-more-striking-evidence-bcg-vaccine-might-protect-against-covid-19-1.4222110

This is good news. Fingers crossed.

fritzelly

Strazdas wrote: »

It would be great if this is true. Many countries in western Europe have never used the BCG vaccine (including the UK I believe). I think only ourselves and Portugal and one or two others have.

UK did - now part of the baby vaccine program

ACitizenErased

Could listen to Cuomo talk all day. He's very good.

Sam Russell

Strazdas wrote: »

It would be great if this is true. Many countries in western Europe have never used the BCG vaccine (including the UK I believe). I think only ourselves and Portugal and one or two others have.

The UK did use BCG in the past but dropped it when TB ceased to be common.

Not sure of dates.

Perhaps the use of BCG is why 90% of deaths here are over 65 years old. When did routine BCG vaccinations start being given?

Gynoid

http://www.bcgatlas.org/

Mervyn Skidmore

Speaking of the BCG. I got it the day after I was born but never got a booster in school. If I recall correctly not all children had to get a booster. Would this make a difference?

fits

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Does anyone know what years the BCG was given ? I know I had a round scar on my upper left arm ( born in the 1950,)

From that article I can glean 1937-2015. If you have the scar you should have it. Whether the immunity lasts all that time is another question though.

UK was 1953 - 2005.

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

It would be great if this is true. Many countries in western Europe have never used the BCG vaccine (including the UK I believe). I think only ourselves and Portugal and one or two others have.

The U.K. did have a BCG vacation program from 1953

Cork Boy 53

fritzelly wrote: »

UK did - now part of the baby vaccine program

Have Spain and Italy done this vaccination ?

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Public health is directly related to the money available to fund it.

It's critically important from a public health point of view we get back to normal as soon as possible.

Thankfully this seems to be way the mood is turning.

Most of the restrictions will be gone by May.

The tiny amount of people who are in the vulnerable category will need to be restricted for longer of course.

Restrictions won't be lifted until numbers are stabilised and we see reductions in infections etc. I would say most restrictions being gone by May is fantasy.

tikkahunter

Strazdas wrote: »

For many decades I think.....definitely 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s etc

It only stopped 4 years ago , our youngest daughter missed out on it .

Tony EH

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Does anyone know what years the BCG was given ? I know I had a round scar on my upper left arm ( born in the 1950,)

It carried on well into the 80's as far as I know.

*edit 2015. Had no idea it was going til then.

is_that_so

Here's a piece on what countries are thinking about in an exit strategy

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/europe-prepares-to-ease-coronavirus-lockdowns-1.4221946

nacho libre

facehugger99 wrote: »

Most of the restrictions will be gone by May.

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Some of the restrictions will be gone by May, if you think most will be lifted you are going to be disappointed.

Naggdefy

Early Holy Week last year the major news was the fire in Notre Dame.

Sad and all is it was, little did we know..

easypazz

Deleted User wrote: »

Restrictions won't be lifted until numbers are stabilised and we see reductions in infections etc. I would say most restrictions being gone by May is fantasy.

I would be hoping building sites and hardware stores open by end of April. To me that's about best case.

Any business that can put proper social distancing measure in place.

r93kaey5p2izun

Cork didn't have the BCG from some time in the 70s up to some time around 2004 apparently. And other counties also didn't give it at certain times. I know Galway didn't a few years ago while it was still routine in most counties. There are significant gaps in Ireland's bcg coverage even when it was supposedly routine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/cork-babies-to-get-routine-tb-vaccine-after-36-year-gap-1.904443%3fmode=amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/galway-mother-asks-why-babies-not-given-tb-vaccine-1.977409%3fmode=amp

Ficheall

Was there some rumour about the BCG vaccine being effective as long as the scar remained on your arm, iirc?

fits

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Have Spain and Italy done this vaccination ?

We will find out more when that paper is published.

Discodog

Maybe BCG might explain the huge differences in how people are affected by CV ?

Wibbs

Sam Russell wrote: »

Perhaps the use of BCG is why 90% of deaths here are over 65 years old.

Most of those people who died would have had the BCG vaccine. Plus no matter where in the world this epidemic is raging 90% of deaths are over 65, most over 70. Maybe as Fits said it needs a booster? Or it's a coincidence or there are other factors involved. EG if we were to take Ireland as an example and found the Irish spread was much lower than elsewhere in Europe, but didn't factor in our much lower population densities and preference for single dwellings as opposed to apartment living the result wouldn't be much use.

Mervyn Skidmore

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Speaking of the BCG. I got it the day after I was born but never got a booster in school. If I recall correctly not all children had to get a booster. Would this make a difference?

Don't know in terms of covid, and don't think anyone does, but depending on the research you read its effectiveness lasts from 10 to 20 years against TB, with 15 years quoted in most studies I seen.

Pablo Escobar

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Have Spain and Italy done this vaccination ?

I'm not sure about Spain, but it wasn't common in Italy.

fritzelly

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Have Spain and Italy done this vaccination ?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113075936&postcount=2509

fits

fritzelly wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113075936&postcount=2509

Its still one of the mandated vaccines in Ireland, but in practice hasnt been given since 2015. Unfortunately my two dont have it.

AllGunsBlazing

bcg doesn't last if I recall. The booster shot was administered if you failed the scratch test and to keep your immunity topped up throughout adolescence. Something like 15 years I believe.