American response

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe outside the ballot box, or in some states several hundred yards away. There are laws about that.

Guessing he means in the sense that the pandemic and the casualties will define people's voting preferences this time rather than an actual conversation at box.

hetuzozaho

Tell me how wrote: »

I maybe will disagree with you on this statement. That is because, I don't necessarily think that he has the mental faculties to grasp a lot of the reality of situations beyond just being motivated to thing, 'What do I want.

Particularly around Covid, his statement that 'we only have more cases because we test more' is borne out of him not understanding the cases are there anyway, testing only makes everyone aware of them.

Ah to be fair I'd probably agree it's debatable if he understands... Which is ridiculous enough!

What is going on!? How is he president and how has it not being stopped for the joke that it is ha. November gonna be fascinating either way for me.

Harpon

Looking at the chart of daily cases there it seem to be falling off a cliff. Why is that? Have they reached herd immunity? Are they testing less? Is the trump regime messing with the figures now that they have control of them?

Jim_Hodge

Last 3 days cases

54.1k
55.1k
58.6k

With reduced numbers of tests. Hardly rapidly declining. Indeed, not declining at all. It dipped over the weekend but it does that every weekend.

Heebie

Harpon wrote:

Looking at the chart of daily cases there it seem to be falling off a cliff. Why is that? Have they reached herd immunity? Are they testing less? Is the trump regime messing with the figures now that they have control of them?

That's because the Dump administration has taken control of the data and are publishing false numbers.

one armed dwarf

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/trump-administration-takes-control-covid-19-data-200715162413657.html

PokeHerKing

Harpon wrote: »

Looking at the chart of daily cases there it seem to be falling off a cliff. Why is that? Have they reached herd immunity? Are they testing less? Is the trump regime messing with the figures now that they have control of them?

No to the first. Yes to the second and third.

ExMachina1000

Same as every country. Daily cases surged and then peaked. Happened long ago in New York.

Assetbacked

Heebie wrote: »

That's because the Dump administration has taken control of the data and are publishing false numbers.

Source?

davedanon

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Same as every country.

25% of worldwide cases with 5% of the world population, and the biggest economy. Very much not just like every other country.

davedanon

Assetbacked wrote: »

Source?

Why else would a Trump administration do such a thing? To break the law, of course.

Beasty

Threads merged

Jim_Hodge

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Same as every country. Daily cases surged and then peaked. Happened long ago in New York.

As a country (New York being a state) it hasn't shown signs of a peak as yet.

ExMachina1000

davedanon wrote: »

25% of worldwide cases with 5% of the world population, and the biggest economy. Very much not just like every other country.

That's the number of cases not the time span of infection.

Nobody is disputing that the us has the highest numbers in the world.
Some people seem to think the figure will grow indefinitely.

It wont.
Two different things

ExMachina1000

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

As a country (New York being a state) it hasn't shown signs of a peak as yet.

New York city. As you well know.

New York state peaked in April

Jim_Hodge

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

New York city. As you well know.

New York state peaked in April

Worse again as an example then. I was however referring to the State, as it's the level the stats I'm looking at are produced at.
We're talking about the US trend not individual zones within it.
As a country the case numbers have not as yet shown evidence of a peak.

Harry Palmr

Averaging over 1000 dead a day for the last week, still behaving as witlessly as ever in much of the country, Summer is more behind than ahead and it'll be flu season again before you know it. 200k dead by election day.

davedanon

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Some people seem to think the figure will grow indefinitely.

It wont.

No ****, sherlock.

ExMachina1000

davedanon wrote: »

No ****, sherlock.

Youd be surprised.

Cases have peaked in the US. Thankfully

Cody montana

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Youd be surprised.

Cases have peaked in the US. Thankfully

They’ve peaked in the middle of summer.
And when schools are off.
Winter is coming.
300 thousand deaths projected by end of the year.
It’s going to get much much worse.

ExMachina1000

Cody montana wrote: »

They’ve peaked in the middle of summer.
And when schools are off.
Winter is coming.
300 thousand deaths projected by end of the year.
It’s going to get much much worse.

Will the same be happening all around the world or is this just the case for America?

Cody montana

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Will the same be happening all around the world or is this just the case for America?

And we have the inevitable deflection.

But I’ll engage.
No, No other other country will reach 300 thousand deaths by the end of the year.

Timberrrrrrrr

Cody montana wrote: »

And we have the inevitable deflection.

But I’ll engage.
No, No other other country will reach 300 thousand deaths by the end of the year.

No other continent will reach 300,000 by end of year.

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Will the same be happening all around the world or is this just the case for America?

Other countries have far more controls in place and have managed to flatten the curve. Meanwhile the US seem to actively want to test less. And will be entering the winter with existing high infection rates...

Cody montana

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No other continent will reach 300,000 by end of year.

Projections are saying 400 thousand by January.
Scary stuff.

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Last 3 days cases

54.1k
55.1k
58.6k

With reduced numbers of tests. Hardly rapidly declining. Indeed, not declining at all. It dipped over the weekend but it does that every weekend.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Youd be surprised.

Cases have peaked in the US. Thankfully

And 63.2k cases yesterday. Not at the historic peak but climbing steadily overall and in 20 states.

MadYaker

The numbers magically started dropping at the same time the federal government changed the way the CDC gets figures..... Are any media outlets getting numbers straight from hospitals?

Sonics2k

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Will the same be happening all around the world or is this just the case for America?

Largely this is just America, most of the world has copped on and realised that things like masks and lockdown were for the benefit of the people in the long run.

The USA has somehow managed to make this a partisan issue, though damned if I can figure out why. The every day paranoia of Americans has gone crazy, convinced of things like a Democratic conspiracy, a hoax and a way to control the masses. All while ignoring the fact Trump is leading the Government.

Sure we get the odd person like that here, but they are a tiny tiny minority and thankfully nobody really gives them attention because we know they're daft.

briany

A couple of hundred thousand dead would be bad enough, and the United States is pretty much certain to reach that milestone, never mind the terrible estimates of double that.

To Donald Trump and anyone trying to downplay the death toll - I would remind them that the U.S. did excellently in deaths per capita due to terrorism in 2001, although slightly less well than in other years, but still very low. Why would 3000 people who died from a preventable disaster be given so much more weight than 150,000 to 400,000 people who died in another? And the answer is obviously the symbolism of it, and political expediency for the administrations in charge. But strip that away, and 150,000 is still far more than 3000, and still deserves to be taken very fcúking seriously.

threeball

briany wrote: »

A couple of hundred thousand dead would be bad enough, and the United States is pretty much certain to reach that milestone, never mind the terrible estimates of double that.

To Donald Trump and anyone trying to downplay the death toll - I would remind them that the U.S. did excellently in deaths per capita due to terrorism in 2001, although slightly less well than in other years, but still very low. Why would 3000 people who died from a preventable disaster be given so much more weight than 150,000 to 400,000 people who died in another? And the answer is obviously the symbolism of it, and political expediency for the administrations in charge. But strip that away, and 150,000 is still far more than 3000, and still deserves to be taken very fcúking seriously.

There was very little opportunities to make money from Covid, 9/11 on the other hand opened an Aladdins cave of opportunity.