American response

drunkmonkey

touts wrote: »

By all means open the night clubs and the pubs.

But ban the sale of alcohol in pubs, nightclubs shops and off licences for the rest of 2020. Announce the ban late one night after closing time to come into effect immediately. That way people can't panic buy.

Alcohol is the problem. People want to socialise so let them socialise. But 4 months with no alcohol will do no harm and will help avoid people losing control as we saw in some very high profile cases. If you feel outraged by this blame the idiot barman swinging from a rafter with a bottle of whiskey at 4pm yesterday in Dublin.

They'll all just take drugs or turn to bathtub distilling. Can't ban alcohol.

NegativeCreep

touts wrote: »

By all means open the night clubs and the pubs.

But ban the sale of alcohol in pubs, nightclubs shops and off licences for the rest of 2020. Announce the ban late one night after closing time to come into effect immediately. That way people can't panic buy.

Alcohol is the problem. People want to socialise so let them socialise. But 4 months with no alcohol will do no harm and will help avoid people losing control as we saw in some very high profile cases. If you feel outraged by this blame the idiot barman swinging from a rafter with a bottle of whiskey at 4pm yesterday in Dublin.

Absolute rubbish

touts

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They'll all just take drugs or turn to bathtub distilling. Can't ban alcohol.

If the majority of people are sober it will be easy to identify anyone under the influence of drugs. Kick them out. Permanently revoke the licence of any bar or nightclub which is found not doing this.

There will be a few functioning alcoholics who turn to bathtub distilling to meet their needs. Those numbers will be negligible in the grand scheme of things. 4 months of no alcohol would be a major step to getting this virus under control.

893bet

Did you read it?

It’s 4k to enter this club. Hardly comparable to any nightclub closed in Ireland.

hmmm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Look it's the sun but a New York club is reopening with Rapid testing at the door, https://www.the-sun.com/news/1311801/elite-sex-club-returns-new-york-covid-testing-vips/
Is it possible, why aren't we doing it, I assume you don't have wait at the door for a few days to get in.

I think you'd need more than Covid testing for what they're up to.

Eric Cartman

touts wrote: »

By all means open the night clubs and the pubs.

But ban the sale of alcohol in pubs, nightclubs shops and off licences for the rest of 2020. Announce the ban late one night after closing time to come into effect immediately. That way people can't panic buy.

Alcohol is the problem. People want to socialise so let them socialise. But 4 months with no alcohol will do no harm and will help avoid people losing control as we saw in some very high profile cases. If you feel outraged by this blame the idiot barman swinging from a rafter with a bottle of whiskey at 4pm yesterday in Dublin.

do you want riots, because thats how you get riots.

i_surge

touts wrote: »

If the majority of people are sober it will be easy to identify anyone under the influence of drugs. Kick them out. Permanently revoke the licence of any bar or nightclub which is found not doing this.

There will be a few functioning alcoholics who turn to bathtub distilling to meet their needs. Those numbers will be negligible in the grand scheme of things. 4 months of no alcohol would be a major step to getting this virus under control.

Get where you are coming from but there is too much of an association with drink (and it would be no fun). Create new social outlets. Time for some creativity.

El Tarangu

touts wrote: »

By all means open the night clubs and the pubs.

But ban the sale of alcohol in pubs, nightclubs shops and off licences for the rest of 2020. Announce the ban late one night after closing time to come into effect immediately. That way people can't panic buy.

Alcohol is the problem. People want to socialise so let them socialise. But 4 months with no alcohol will do no harm and will help avoid people losing control as we saw in some very high profile cases. If you feel outraged by this blame the idiot barman swinging from a rafter with a bottle of whiskey at 4pm yesterday in Dublin.

Any thing else that you dislike personally that you think you be banned for everyone else?

Beasty

Threads merged

ceadaoin.

touts wrote: »

If the majority of people are sober it will be easy to identify anyone under the influence of drugs. Kick them out. Permanently revoke the licence of any bar or nightclub which is found not doing this.

There will be a few functioning alcoholics who turn to bathtub distilling to meet their needs. Those numbers will be negligible in the grand scheme of things. 4 months of no alcohol would be a major step to getting this virus under control.

Banning alcohol certainly wouldn't create mass panic buying, a roaring black market trade, people trying to make their own or turning to drugs now would it. Prohibition always works, as history has shown.

And the virus which spreads when people are in close contact would be stopped dead in its tracks clearly. Lol

Stop being ridiculous.

Irishman80

Just having a quick glance at US figures.

California, Florida, and Texas have a combined 1.75 million confirmed cases. New York has 445,000 confirmed cases but...

New York has 32,000 deaths while the combined deaths from California, Florida, and Texas is 30,000.

What the hell happened in New York?

ceadaoin.

Irishman80 wrote: »

Just having a quick glance at US figures.

California, Florida, and Texas have a combined 1.75 million confirmed cases. New York has 445,000 confirmed cases but...

New York has 32,000 deaths while the combined deaths from California, Florida, and Texas is 30,000.

What the hell happened in New York?

It was early on in the pandemic I guess and treatments weren't as good. Also, an awful lot of nursing home deaths happened there due to the policy of sending covid patients to recover before they had a negative test. In fact the facilities were specifically not allowed to test these people. They ended up infecting many other residents and staff. It really was a major **** up. Well, its thought that is the case but they won't release the actual figures for nursing homes despite mounting pressure to do so

https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/new-yorks-true-nursing-home-death-toll-from-coronavirus-cloaked-in-secrecy.html

salmocab

Irishman80 wrote: »

Just having a quick glance at US figures.

California, Florida, and Texas have a combined 1.75 million confirmed cases. New York has 445,000 confirmed cases but...

New York has 32,000 deaths while the combined deaths from California, Florida, and Texas is 30,000.

What the hell happened in New York?

It’s the same here though, the deaths happened early as the hospitals got to grips with it and mistakes were made especially around things like nursing homes. Also to be fair testing has increased so The actual cases in an area may not be significantly higher but the recording of them might.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0822/1160714-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/

No comment necessary

Harry Palmr

Irishman80 wrote: »

Just having a quick glance at US figures.

California, Florida, and Texas have a combined 1.75 million confirmed cases. New York has 445,000 confirmed cases but...

New York has 32,000 deaths while the combined deaths from California, Florida, and Texas is 30,000.

What the hell happened in New York?

Have you been sleep since March?! The NE states were hit first and before much was known and implemented. There's no excuse for the current deaths in the USA, there was at least something understandable about the deaths in the Spring.

Danzy

Deaths are small now in relation to the figures getting it because treatment has so greatly improved, a younger cohort is getting it as well, so less severity.

There may also be other factors.

Danzy

touts wrote: »

By all means open the night clubs and the pubs.

But ban the sale of alcohol in pubs, nightclubs shops and off licences for the rest of 2020. Announce the ban late one night after closing time to come into effect immediately. That way people can't panic buy.

Alcohol is the problem. People want to socialise so let them socialise. But 4 months with no alcohol will do no harm and will help avoid people losing control as we saw in some very high profile cases. If you feel outraged by this blame the idiot barman swinging from a rafter with a bottle of whiskey at 4pm yesterday in Dublin.

Meanwhile on planet earth...

MadYaker

Danzy wrote: »

Deaths are small now in relation to the figures getting it because treatment has so greatly improved, a younger cohort is getting it as well, so less severity.

There may also be other factors.

I think its just because its mostly younger people getting it like here. Much higher levels of diabetes and obesity over there though, even in young people.

ceadaoin.

A 'catastrophic ' category 4 storm is heading for the Texas and Louisiana coasts. Obviously a lot of people will have to shelter together to stay safe. Hopefully it doesn't reverse the decline in cases that has been seen for weeks now in those areas

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/hurricane-laura-storm-track-path-forecast-today-2020-08-26/

So theres hurricanes, storms, wildfires, protests, riots, dangerous heat waves, blackouts, mass unemployment and a deadly pandemic all happening simultaneously across the US. Great

extra gravy

More than 100 Sturgis motorcycle rally attendees have tested positive for COVID-19.

They were encouraged to attend by Governor Noem who speaks at the RNC tonight.

More Republican recklessness.

YFlyer

extra gravy wrote: »

More than 100 Sturgis motorcycle rally attendees have tested positive for COVID-19.

They were encouraged to attend by Governor Noem who speaks at the RNC tonight.

More Republican recklessness.

Surges in Sturgis Festival.

joseywhales

ceadaoin. wrote: »

A 'catastrophic ' category 4 storm is heading for the Texas and Louisiana coasts. Obviously a lot of people will have to shelter together to stay safe. Hopefully it doesn't reverse the decline in cases that has been seen for weeks now in those areas

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/hurricane-laura-storm-track-path-forecast-today-2020-08-26/

So theres hurricanes, storms, wildfires, protests, riots, dangerous heat waves, blackouts, mass unemployment and a deadly pandemic all happening simultaneously across the US. Great

New England doing fine as usual. Can't even buy a house, demand is increasing.

Call me Al

MadYaker wrote: »

I think its just because its mostly younger people getting it like here. Much higher levels of diabetes and obesity over there though, even in young people.

Well that may be all about to change.

Washington post reporting:

"The White House abruptly ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to stop recommending coronavirus tests for many people exposed to covid-19 infections, alarming health experts.

The CDC used to advise a test for anyone who had been within six feet of an infected person for 15 minutes or more, but now writes on its website “you do not necessarily need a test" unless you show symptoms. Experts fear the change will lead to more infections because symptomless carriers can still spread the disease, and without tests those outbreaks could spread undetected.

President Trump has repeatedly complained that the country's infection rates would look better if fewer Americans got tests. "

So more asymptomatic spread is about to start.

Leroy42

Wow, what a coincidence that after Trump said he wanted testing reduced so that numbers would go down, that testing was reduced and now numbers are going down.

Still, I'm sure its all perfectly fine and the injection in nearly gone.

Call me Al

Leroy42 wrote: »

Wow, what a coincidence that after Trump said he wanted testing reduced so that numbers would go down, that testing was reduced and now numbers are going down.

Still, I'm sure its all perfectly fine and the injection in nearly gone.

I'm curious to see how this administration will explain away the mortality rate that will inevitably rise, if not soar, as a consequence of this policy.

They can't hide or suppress an excess mortality rate.... unless they are really going to beyond the pale in attempting to deny the problem they have.
So i'm concerned as to where this move will lead to.

PopePalpatine

Call me Al wrote: »

I'm curious to see how this administration will explain away the mortality rate that will inevitably rise, if not soar, as a consequence of this policy.

They can't hide or suppress an excess mortality rate.... unless they are really going to beyond the pale in attempting to deny the problem they have.
So i'm concerned as to where this move will lead to.

This is an administration cosying up to conspiracy theorists and radicalising mass shooters. Would you really put it past them?

Call me Al

PopePalpatine wrote: »

This is an administration cosying up to conspiracy theorists and radicalising mass shooters. Would you really put it past them?

I wouldn't put anything past this administration.
Hence my very real concerns.
I tend to be a glass half full type of person, but this move fills me with dread for where their country will be in 2 years time.
All bets are off.

ceadaoin.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Wow, what a coincidence that after Trump said he wanted testing reduced so that numbers would go down, that testing was reduced and now numbers are going down.

Still, I'm sure its all perfectly fine and the injection in nearly gone.

Maybe that's a part of it, but hospitals all over the country are saying that they are seeing fewer people sick with covid, and the stats reflect that. So unless hospitals are also in on it, maybe the numbers really are just going down.

Links


https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/new-nevada-reports-downward-trend-in-hospitalizations/

https://www.eacourier.com/news/coronavirus/new-covid-19-cases-slowing-down-hospitalizations-down-as-well/article_d9e9db78-d7f6-11ea-b9b9-e30112a77901.html

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/tx-covid-hospitalizations-drop-while-deaths-tally-almost-1500/285-0bee559a-4887-4ac2-9ab1-9539b86125c7

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article245004205.html

Danzy

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Maybe that's a part of it, but hospitals all over the country are saying that they are seeing fewer people sick with covid, and the stats reflect that. So unless hospitals are also in on it, maybe the numbers really are just going down.

They must be, it's a big plot.

It can't just be a decline in cases and admission.

Christy42

Danzy wrote: »

They must be, it's a big plot.

It can't just be a decline in cases and admission.

The point being made is that asymptomatic people are not being tested anymore which may lead to them infecting more people going forward.

Asymptomatic people would not be affecting the admission rate which may well be going down. So less admissions is not really a counter point.