American response

Leroy42

Danzy wrote: »

What we have clear data on is a fall in covid patients hospital beds use, ICU use, ventilator use and undertaker use.

I don't doubt the numbers in critical condition has reduced. But that is from the outset when basically nothing was being done or in place. A lot, I assume at least, has been done to lower the risks, and as such the deaths, in care homes. There is more PPE available so that medical personnel are not being killed as much.

However, 1k a day is still a very high number and the number of cases remains high (although not in comparison to the frankly ridiculous numbers they had previously). What this tells me is that Covid continues to exist within society and little seems to be being done to stop it.

Other countries went though peaks and then a very significant, and fairly rapid reduction, but that hasn't happened in the US.

And unless they are going to lock up the elderly etc for ever, and stop the younger people getting older and getting other sicknesses, then with Covid so much in the open it is going to remain for quite a while.

A major issue will be how long they can continue to maintain the semi closed nature of things such as sports and schools, when POTUS is holding massive campaign rallies and pretending everything is AOK, and people look at the comparison from April to today and think that everything fine.

We are also in the summer time, which should have had an effect, if not on the virus itself then on the ability for people to spend more time outdoors. That will begin to change over the next few weeks.

ExMachina1000

MadYaker wrote: »

What figures are you looking at? Numbers are still going up across the board. They'll probably clock over 200,000 deaths in a few days.

Can you back that up?
Charts showing virus new daily cases are consistently declining.

Leroy42

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Can you back that up?
Charts showing virus new daily cases are consistently declining.

Ther are 193k+ deaths now. Deaths lag cases so even if cases are starting to fall, you need to look back 2 maybe 3 weeks for the caseload then to see deaths in the coming days.

Deaths appear to be dropping some 10% each week, but last week were 5146, so 4500 this week, and 4000 next week. In two weeks deaths will be over 200k

I 100% expect the weekly and daily deaths to continue to drop, but the numbers have been so high for so long that eventually it had to start to decrease. Again, the rate of reduction is much smaller than other countries.

Jim_Hodge

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Can you back that up?
Charts showing virus new daily cases are consistently declining.

It's the slowest drop from a first wave peak of any country. Yes it's going down but very very slowly.

Boggles

Covid: US death toll passes 200,000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRmo6R2WN0Y

Harry Palmr

Well done chaps! You can make 250,000 by Christmas.

JP Liz V1

Fauci is talking to Ryan on The Late Late Show this week

gormdubhgorm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well done chaps! You can make 250,000 by Christmas.

24th September 2020:

Ireland

Population: 4,904,000

COVID Deaths: 1,794

Percentage of COVID deaths in Ireland: 0.03% approx

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USA

Population: 382,200,000

COVID Deaths:202,000

Percentage of COVID deaths in USA: 0.05% approx

Yet, the tone on this thread is Ireland is much better dealing with COVID than Trump/USA
A bit of perspective is needed?

ceadaoin.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

24th September 2020:

Ireland

Population: 4,904,000

COVID Deaths: 1,794

Percentage of COVID deaths in Ireland: 0.03% approx

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--

USA

Population: 382,200,000

COVID Deaths:202,000

Percentage of COVID deaths in USA: 0.05% approx

Yet, the tone on this thread is Ireland is much better dealing with COVID than Trump/USA
A bit of perspective is needed?

Ireland and europe are just starting the second surge, the US has started coming down from theirs. Probably end up about the same by the end.

gormdubhgorm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ireland and europe are just starting the second surge, the US has started coming down from theirs. Probably end up about the same by the end.

I felt bad having to list dead people as statistics as each life is a loved one friends, family and so on. But I feel with all the noise around it the actual amount of deaths per population gets lost.
Things could be much, much, worse. Hopefully things will settle down eventually as the world adapts - prior to a vaccine.

Harry Palmr

Looks like the USA will soon have twice the mortality rate per capita than Ireland.

In America it'll be going around in a circle as the Winter arrives (esp in the most populous "cold states") and then gives way to Spring when the warm states will explode again as people start to move about and PARRRTY as they so like to in states such as Florida.

salmocab

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

24th September 2020:

Ireland

Population: 4,904,000

COVID Deaths: 1,794

Percentage of COVID deaths in Ireland: 0.03% approx

--
--

USA

Population: 382,200,000

COVID Deaths:202,000

Percentage of COVID deaths in USA: 0.05% approx

Yet, the tone on this thread is Ireland is much better dealing with COVID than Trump/USA
A bit of perspective is needed?

In fairness a smaller country can also throw up statistical anomalies, we made a balls of the care homes which we are unlikely to let happen again in a second wave. Now obviously that’s still dealing badly with it but America never got to grips with it and it’s current second wave didn’t exactly come after they’d had weeks of things going relatively well. As the weather changes now things are going to get worse all over and I’d be fairly confident things will get worse there than here.

Jim_Hodge

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

24th September 2020:

Ireland

Population: 4,904,000

COVID Deaths: 1,794

Percentage of COVID deaths in Ireland: 0.03% approx

--
--

USA

Population: 382,200,000

COVID Deaths:202,000

Percentage of COVID deaths in USA: 0.05% approx

Yet, the tone on this thread is Ireland is much better dealing with COVID than Trump/USA
A bit of perspective is needed?

If you used the real population of the US of 328Million, not 382 you might be able to express the death rate properly i.e. Per capita it's 70% above the rate in Ireland.

Danzy

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Looks like the USA will soon have twice the mortality rate per capita than Ireland.

In America it'll be going around in a circle as the Winter arrives (esp in the most populous "cold states") and then gives way to Spring when the warm states will explode again as people start to move about and PARRRTY as they so like to in states such as Florida.

It doesn't look like that happening.

hetuzozaho

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I felt bad having to list dead people as statistics as each life is a loved one friends, family and so on. But I feel with all the noise around it the actual amount of deaths per population gets lost.
Things could be much, much, worse. Hopefully things will settle down eventually as the world adapts - prior to a vaccine.

Think your stats are wrong though?

I find this site handy: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Deaths per million:
USA - 625
Ireland - 363

You can sort by any metric too so you can get say the top 10 worst for deaths:

1 San Marino
2 Peru
3 Belgium
4 Andorra
5 Spain
6 Bolivia
7 Brazil
8 Chile
9 Ecuador
10 USA

What was it Trump said actually.. he looked at his list, US is "better than the world" :pac:

ExMachina1000

As per the 10th amendment of the United states constitution state governors are in charge of their own situation and reaction. Federal government cannot dictate to states.

A fact that seems to be forgotten or people are not actually aware of how the United states works!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tenth-Amendment

hetuzozaho

Something people always seem to forget

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776

Leroy42

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

As per the 10th amendment of the United states constitution state governors are in charge of their own situation and reaction. Federal government cannot dictate to states.

A fact that seems to be forgotten or people are not actually aware of how the United states works!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tenth-Amendment

And yet Trump promised to MAGA, not just work with individual states to help them maximise their success.

MAGA is more catchy I'll admit.

ExMachina1000

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Something people always seem to forget

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776

That old chestnut. A tweet.

But in reality the federal government doesn't have the legal authority. Il take my facts from the constitution. You can work off 7 year old tweets

hetuzozaho

Ah that old chestnut.

Things go bad, well he has no power.
Things go good, MAGA, 4 more years!!

ExMachina1000

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Ah that old chestnut.

Things go bad, well he has no power.
Things go good, MAGA, 4 more years!!

Life outside your village is different

hetuzozaho

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Life outside your village is different

What?

ChikiChiki

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Something people always seem to forget

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776

Think that's probably the most sensible thing I've ever seen that clown tweet.

gormdubhgorm

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

If you used the real population of the US of 328Million, not 382 you might be able to express the death rate properly i.e. Per capita it's 70% above the rate in Ireland.

Yeah that was a typo USA should be 0.06% so is more 50%?

Lucifer

0.03 to 0.06 is a 100% increase.

It is not very accurate to use the population percentage to 2 decimal places.

Death per million

USA - 625
Ireland - 363

62500/363 = 172 so USA is 172% of Irelands death per million so it is 72% higher death rate.

As a percentage of population it is
Ireland 0.036582
USA 0.061547

About 68% difference to 6 decimal places.

davedanon

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

That old chestnut. A tweet.

But in reality the federal government doesn't have the legal authority. Il take my facts from the constitution. You can work off 7 year old tweets

But Trump has been knowingly and wilfully distorting and undermining the constitution since his inauguration. That's why his tweets are important. They are the closest he comes to actual Presidential 'work', since he does virtually nothing else except watch Fox News for his twitter raw material.

Christy42

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

That old chestnut. A tweet.

But in reality the federal government doesn't have the legal authority. Il take my facts from the constitution. You can work off 7 year old tweets

Does he have the influence?

I. E. To encourage people to wear masks. To encourage goveners to lockdown. To tell people what is going on so they can react with all the facts. To not encourage protests against lockdown. To not throw out the plans made from pandemics. To not have crippled the CDC.

What did Fauci and Birx do then if the central government had no power? Should they not have been out dealing with those with real power? We're they just public money thrown away with no way to influence the reality.

Weren't Pence and Kushner given positions related to the pandemic? Was all that window dressing? Why was Trump wasting his time with all those briefings when he could have been doing whatever it is you think the president can actually do.

If you think the president has so little effect on the biggest crisis the country has faced during his term then you may as well get Biden in. At least then you will have someone who won't sell out White House advertising slots for beans for a few compliments.

hetuzozaho

Some info on the President’s Coronavirus Task Force from the White House https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/

Today, President Donald J. Trump announced the formation of the President’s Coronavirus Task Force. Members of the Task Force have been meeting on a daily basis since Monday. At today’s meeting, which the President chaired, he charged the Task Force with leading the United States Government response to the novel 2019 coronavirus and with keeping him apprised of developments.

The Task Force will lead the Administration’s efforts to monitor, contain, and mitigate the spread of the virus

The President’s top priority is the health and welfare of the American people.

Soon after this picture he realised it was too much work and might effect his chances of re-election. :pac:

davedanon

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Soon after this picture he realised it was too much work and might effect his chances of re-election. :pac:

the words 'too' and 'much' are superfluous there.

hetuzozaho

davedanon wrote: »

the words 'too' and 'much' are superfluous there.

Ha probably correct!

Let's say more hassle than golfing! :pac: