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threeball wrote: »

He said he had, presidential power is absolute. His words.

He doesn't though. Maybe if he spent less time playing golf and more time reading the Constitution, he'd know this.

Christy42

Danno wrote: »

So you don't really know then, do you?

Or is it, you don't want to know? What a conundrum that original question posed for you.

You can always take a walk down Chinatown with Pelosi if you want. It's lovely there and nothing to fear - her words.

He doesn't have the power to open or close states.

The more important question is does does Trump know? Is he actively lying or is he really that dumb. I really don't know. Anyway if he is lying then he deserves to be held to those standards and if he really thinks it then presumably he should be held to those standards. Either way he shouldn't be spending all his time blaming anyone but himself.

If he doesn't like it. Well he can admit that presidential power isn't absolute and we can figure it out from there.

MadYaker

He's looking a bit rough tonight I thought. Why did he keep going in and out, is he on meds for something?

Danno wrote: »

So you don't really know then, do you?

Or is it, you don't want to know? What a conundrum that original question posed for you.

You can always take a walk down Chinatown with Pelosi if you want. It's lovely there and nothing to fear - her words.

Well he has contradicted himself a few times in the last few days over the opening up of states. Initially it seemed he thought he could tell them what to do, but someone obviously managed to convince him that the states have the final say.

ThunbergsAreGo

Not really up on US politics, but can anyone explain why the blame seems to be mostly on Trump for this and all the various Governers seem to have got off scot free?

There was a big deal made about Trump not being able to tell each state what to do, does that not mean that each state, New York for example, had the power to react alot better to the outbreak?

Just seems like it's pathetic blame game from both sides in this.

Carfacemandog

Danno wrote: »

So you don't really know then, do you?

Or is it, you don't want to know? What a conundrum that original question posed for you.

You can always take a walk down Chinatown with Pelosi if you want. It's lovely there and nothing to fear - her words.

He thought he did. He found out publicly that he didn't. So his bruised little ego called for an armed uprising.

This is the child raping junkie you worship.ehatever tickles your jollies there, Danno.

Carfacemandog

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Not really up on US politics, but can anyone explain why the blame seems to be mostly on Trump for this and all the various Governers seem to have got off scot free?

There was a big deal made about Trump not being able to tell each state what to do, does that not mean that each state, New York for example, had the power to react alot better to the outbreak?

Just seems like it's pathetic blame game from both sides in this.

It's because literally nothing has been done at a federal level apart from a ban on flights from China that still allowed people to travel in from China, outright refusing to give ventilators to states whose governors "weren't nice enough" to Trump despite them having tonne in federal stockpiles, promoting drugs for lupus that can kill you but don't help with covid (they do however pay Trump, funyn enough), and of course calling it all a hoax that will go away and demanding people keep going to work like a miracle when other countries national governments were taking it very seriously.

Of course what do you expect after Trump gutted the Centre for Disease Control despite warnings of how bad a move that could be.

Had the federal government done anything of use to help (as other national governments have), the death toll would be significantly lower today. But they didn't, which is why the states had to take their own measures such as lockdowns etc, and that is why Trump can't lift these particular lockdowns - had they been enacted federally, then he could.

So in response to finding out he could not lift these bans, he went on Twitter and called for an armed uprising.

ThunbergsAreGo

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It's because literally nothing has been done at a federal level apart from a ban on flights from China that still allowed people to travel in from China, outright refusing to give ventilators to states whose governors "weren't nice enough" to Trump despite them having tonne in federal stockpiles, promoting drugs for lupus that can kill you but don't help with covid (they do however pay Trump, funyn enough), and of course calling it all a hoax that will go away and demanding people keep going to work like a miracle when other countries national governments were taking it very seriously.

Of course what do you expect after Trump gutted the Centre for Disease Control despite warnings of how bad a move that could be.

Had the federal government done anything of use to help (as other national governments have), the death toll would be significantly lower today. But they didn't, which is why the states had to take their own measures such as lockdowns etc, and that is why Trump can't lift these particular lockdowns - had they been enacted federally, then he could.

So in response to finding out he could not lift these bans, he went on Twitter and called for an armed uprising.

Trump is loon but why is it the a
states HAD to take their own measures?

Surely this week has shown only each state had the power to lockdown (and to lift it).

Like Trump many at a state level were telling us C19 would pass without much of an issue. Those that run NY should share the blame unless they are a glorified County Council.

Situation just confused me a little. Reaction at both levels seems like it could have been much better

Carfacemandog

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Trump is loon but why is it the a
states HAD to take their own measures?

Surely this week has shown only each state had the power to lockdown (and to lift it).

Like Trump many at a state level were telling us C19 would pass without much of an issue. Those that run NY should share the blame unless they are a glorified County Council.

Situation just confused me a little. Reaction at both levels seems like it could have been much better

It could have been enacted federally but Trump refused to do so. If it were a federal lockdown, then the federal government could lift it. But because the federal government never enacted a lockdown, they do not have a federal lockdown that they can lift.

The states HAD to do their lockdowns and take their own measures because there otherwise would have been no lockdown or measures taken at all.

Where did Cuomo tell us it would pass without much of an issue though?

ThunbergsAreGo

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It could have been enacted federally but Trump refused to do so. If it were a federal lockdown, then the federal government could lift it. But because the federal government never enacted a lockdown, they do not have a federal lockdown that they can lift.

The states HAD to do their lockdowns and take their own measures because there otherwise would have been no lockdown or measures taken at all.

Where did Cuomo tell us it would pass without much of an issue though?

That makes more sense, the way I was reading meant it felt like a state led lockdown was the only way.

Still given the vast geographic spread of the US state led "seems" better. But that at least makes sense

lawrencesummers

Are the people protesting against the lockdown measures the same ones that think China lied about the virus, it’s danger and the actual accurate death toll?

Carfacemandog

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

That makes more sense, the way I was reading meant it felt like a state led lockdown was the only way.

Still given the vast geographic spread of the US state led "seems" better. But that at least makes sense

Ideally i would say a combo of each would have been better. Federal to limit interaction between states, to sign important messaging (e.g. "yes this is serious!") and to give a uniform approach, with state also being used to make changes that fit them best depending on age demographics, population density, where they are in the ' curve line' etc. Canada have taken a similar approach to this for example and their death rate is less than a third that of the US (3.5 per million vs 11.35 per mn).

Unfortunately instead of a federal one, they got the federal government telling them all is fine and to return to work because its all just a hoax. That's really dangerous messaging, not unlike Boris initial approach in the UK which I think has played a huge factor in their own death rates struggles vs ours here in Ireland.

threeball

Danno wrote: »

So you don't really know then, do you?

Or is it, you don't want to know? What a conundrum that original question posed for you.

You can always take a walk down Chinatown with Pelosi if you want. It's lovely there and nothing to fear - her words.

Do you always head off in aimless ramblings with no reference or understanding of the post you quoted. Just so i know.

all about the mane

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Ideally i would say a combo of each would have been better. Federal to limit interaction between states, to sign important messaging (e.g. "yes this is serious!") and to give a uniform approach, with state also being used to make changes that fit them best depending on age demographics, population density, where they are in the ' curve line' etc. Canada have taken a similar approach to this for example and their death rate is less than a third that of the US (3.5 per million vs 11.35 per mn).

Unfortunately instead of a federal one, they got the federal government telling them all is fine and to return to work because its all just a hoax. That's really dangerous messaging, not unlike Boris initial approach in the UK which I think has played a huge factor in their own death rates struggles vs ours here in Ireland.

The federal response has never been about covid. It’s been about the election. It has always been about the election.

Boggles

They seriously need to be considering sectioning him.

all about the mane

Boggles wrote: »

They seriously need to be considering sectioning him.

You get the president you deserve

jibber5000

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It's because literally nothing has been done at a federal level apart from a ban on flights from China that still allowed people to travel in from China, outright refusing to give ventilators to states whose governors "weren't nice enough" to Trump despite them having tonne in federal stockpiles, promoting drugs for lupus that can kill you but don't help with covid (they do however pay Trump, funyn enough), and of course calling it all a hoax that will go away and demanding people keep going to work like a miracle when other countries national governments were taking it very seriously.

Of course what do you expect after Trump gutted the Centre for Disease Control despite warnings of how bad a move that could be.

Had the federal government done anything of use to help (as other national governments have), the death toll would be significantly lower today. But they didn't, which is why the states had to take their own measures such as lockdowns etc, and that is why Trump can't lift these particular lockdowns - had they been enacted federally, then he could.

So in response to finding out he could not lift these bans, he went on Twitter and called for an armed uprising.

"Promoting drugs for lupus that can kill you."

That is pure dramaticism.

Any drug can kill you especially if you go against your doctors advice. If you take 40 paracetamol tablets for a headache you could die from liver toxicity.

HCQ is mainly a malaria medication. Lupus is rare and not everyone with lupus will be on HCQ.

The American Thoracic Society are still recommending using HCQ and Azithromycin for Covid 19.
Every Covid patient in hospital in Ireland will receive it for a five day period.
The caveat being they will all have an ECG prior to using it. If they do have some history of arrhythmias they will most likley have their doses halfed.

The only studies which have been halted due to cardiotoxicity, including this one from Brazil, were using a dose five times greater than recommended. And the control in this study was taking the recommended dose where no toxicity occurred.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/clinical-trial-for-high-dose-of-chloroquine-stopped-early-due-to-safety-concerns/amp

It has been used for covid for over 2 months worldwide at this stage. The fact the experts still recommend using it without the RCT's being published prove that it is a very safe drug.

It is exceptionally lazy to just make a statement like that.

hetuzozaho

all about the mane wrote: »

The federal response has never been about covid. It’s been about the election. It has always been about the election.

This is it.

It's an awful thing to say but I think Trump cares more about his political career than the 2000 people a day dying on his watch.

I'm not sure how those doctors stand with him each night.

Danno

Carfacemandog wrote: »

This is the child raping junkie you worship.ehatever tickles your jollies there, Danno.

Thats a fair serious allegation against Trump there - have you evidence to back this up.

Or are you mixing up Trump with Biden who has a fondness of sniffing young folk?

Timberrrrrrrr

Danno wrote: »

Thats a fair serious allegation against Trump there - have you evidence to back this up.

Or are you mixing up Trump with Biden who has a fondness of sniffing young folk?

Auld Donny does have form though

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html%3famp

“He just came strolling right in. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Other girls were naked.”

She added that people who worked for Mr Trump “pressured” the women to “fawn over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention” while still not fully dressed.



Ms Dixon added the situation made them feel awkward and physically vulnerable.

Carfacemandog

Danno wrote: »

Thats a fair serious allegation against Trump there - have you evidence to back this up.

Or are you mixing up Trump with Biden who has a fondness of sniffing young folk?

It's all backed up a few posts up, I'm not a fan of Biden either and that carry on is creepy and deserves to be looked into.

Trump on the other hand is a straight up pedophile who even brags about perving on naked underage girls and who facilitated jeffrey Epstein in the recruitment of sex trafficking of young girls by letting him do so at his Maralago resort, including Prince Andrews victim Victoria Guiffre Roberts.

I take it you're cool with that though?

Leroy42

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just shows how much of a sh1thole america is...population 400 odd million,only person to emerge to.challange trump is every bit as slezy businessman type as himself

Really? On what basis are you making that judgement?

Biden was VP for 8 years and a politician for many more yet the scandals are few.

Trump has been in politics less than 4 years and has multiple scandals.

Lots of failed businesses, had to settle a case for setting up a fake university, bankruptcies, won’t release his taxes, we don’t know his investments. He used the potus pulpit to try to force a company to stock his daughter’s brand. He gave jobs to his unqualified daughter and son in law in the WH.

Blueshoe

Leroy42 wrote: »

Really? On what basis are you making that judgement?

Biden was VP for 8 years and a politician for many more yet the scandals are few.

Trump has been in politics less than 4 years and has multiple scandals.

Lots of failed businesses, had to settle a case for setting up a fake university, bankruptcies, won’t release his taxes, we don’t know his investments. He used the potus pulpit to try to force a company to stock his daughter’s brand. He gave jobs to his unqualified daughter and son in law in the WH.

Also donates his salary to charity every year. He changes the beneficiary every quarter. What a scumbag.

Also did you know that Ivanka was awarded "young gobal leader " by the world economic forum in 2015.
This is before Trump was even president so she wasn't just handed all.
She actually has a huge list of personal achievements.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/ivanka-trump/

Do you?

JJayoo

Is Danno allowed to be on the internet without adult supervision?

MadYaker

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Not really up on US politics, but can anyone explain why the blame seems to be mostly on Trump for this and all the various Governers seem to have got off scot free?

There was a big deal made about Trump not being able to tell each state what to do, does that not mean that each state, New York for example, had the power to react alot better to the outbreak?

Just seems like it's pathetic blame game from both sides in this.

The white house ignored intel on this virus as far back as November. There was an article here in the isreali times a few days ago about how US intellegence agencies alerted their counterparts in Isreal but the white house apparently wasn't interested. There are more reports in The Washington Post of this happening in January also but I can't find the article now. Then you have trump on twitter doing his best to downplay the severity of the situation right up until about 3 weeks ago he was still saying it'll just dissapear folks don't worry.

Do governors deserve some blame? As far as I'm aware they don't have access to intellegence breifings like the president does so since he clearly decided this was something that he didnt need to worry about I'm not sure there's much the governors could have done. I guess most of the country was very slow to lock down even when the problem became apparent, namely texas and florida but I can't help feeling if Trump had struck a different tone on this issue from day one governors may have taken their lead from him and the country could have been better prepared.

MadYaker

Blueshoe wrote: »

Also donates his salary to charity every year. He changes the beneficiary every quarter. What a scumbag.

Also did you know that Ivanka was awarded "young gobal leader " by the world economic forum in 2015.
This is before Trump was even president so she wasn't just handed all.
She actually has a huge list of personal achievements.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/ivanka-trump/

Do you?

Is that the same Ivanka who flew with her family to their holiday when the entire country is supposed to be on lockdown and nobody is supposed to be going anwhere?

Oh yeah it is https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52317673

A family of worthless individuals.

MadYaker

Danno wrote: »

Thats a fair serious allegation against Trump there - have you evidence to back this up.

Or are you mixing up Trump with Biden who has a fondness of sniffing young folk?

Do you honestly believe this stuff I have to ask? Its clear from your posts you're not an idiot. Look at the faces of the adults in the picture.

Seth Brundle

Despite knowing it was a pandemic before it was a pandemic, DT claims they weren't told about the virus...

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1250927187827572736?s=19

But...
https://twitter.com/56blackcat/status/1250191008744300545?s=19

hetuzozaho

Blueshoe wrote: »

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/ivanka-trump/

Do you?

That's a funny write up! It's like a chancers LinkedIn profile!

"Ivanka led some of the company’s largest and most complex transactions."

Niiiiice.

The book bit though, did they actually review well? Or what does this sentence mean?

"Ivanka is the author of two New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestselling books."

Anyone read them?

You really couldn't believe anything this family tell you could ya?

coastwatch

Trump is encouraging protest against restrictions in states with Democratic Governors.
But he can always blame the same governors if lifting restrictions goes badly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-governors.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52330531

Leroy42

Blueshoe wrote: »

Also donates his salary to charity every year. He changes the beneficiary every quarter. What a scumbag.

Also did you know that Ivanka was awarded "young gobal leader " by the world economic forum in 2015.
This is before Trump was even president so she wasn't just handed all.
She actually has a huge list of personal achievements.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/ivanka-trump/

Do you?

Did you know how much POTUS is paid?

Then, once you have answered that and we know how much Trump has given to charity, do you know how much the state has paid to his hotels and golf courses?

Compare them and see who is the charitable one . It is embarrassing that you are manipulated so easily.

Do I have a list of achievements? yes I think I do but this isn't about me.

You made the statement they are both the same, I pointed out many instances where they were not and you failed to have anything to come back with.

So try to stay on the point you raised. Please list out the scandals Biden has been involved in. Not conspiracies but actual facts like I gave to you.

Also, I had forgotten. Trump is legally excluded from heading a charity as he was found to be misappropriation funds!

Very charitable