American response

briany

As it stands, the USA has approximately 1/3rd of all reported Coronavirus cases in the world, and are nearing 50,000 deaths. At this rate, how can Trump expect to arrive at August with under 60,000 deaths as Dr. Fauci had advised? It seems impossible.

And since Trump is agitating for the easing of lockdowns, is there not a concern that there is a lot of potential for a severe outbreak in other parts of the country besides New York? Numbers in other parts of the country are (relatively) low as things stand. Is Trump really confident that this can remain the case if things reopen in a big way?

hetuzozaho

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Please, why would he even bother lying about something so easily bloody checked.

He tells lies so he looks better.
He misleads so he looks better.

He is laser focussed on November 3rd:

But remember this: We’re dealing in politics, we’re dealing with a thing called — November 3rd of this year. Do you know what November 3rd represents, right? You know better than anybody in the room. November 3rd of this year — it’s called the presidential election.

He tends not to misspeak to his detriment.

Billy Mays

Outlaw Pete and his unique psychic ability to always know what Donald Trump really means when he f*cks something up

hetuzozaho

And he misspoke the last two nights a few times. haha

From last night and night before:

But we’ve done very well — our testing. If you add them all up, we’ve — we’ve tested more.

we’ve done more than everybody else, every other country combined.

You know what? You ready, again? We’ve tested more than every country in the world, even put together. So that’s all I can say.

Remember this: We’ve tested more than any country in the world by far. In fact, I think I read where if you add up every other country in the world, we’ve tested more

extra gravy

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He clearly misspoke. Pressers are long. It happens. He was attempting to reference the following stat:

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1252673409584111617

Can you provide a link for this stat that doesn't come from the White House propaganda account?

alchemist33

So the US have tested more people than a bunch of countries selected purely because their combined total is less than the US number? How can anyone think that's significant?

hetuzozaho

alchemist33 wrote: »

So the US have tested more people than a bunch of countries selected purely because their combined total is less than the US number? How can anyone think that's significant?

Well Trump didn't think it was he had to embellish his own random stats ha

mitchelsontour

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics/rick-bright-barda-trump-coronavirus/index.html

Director of key federal vaccine agency says his departure was retaliation

The director of the office involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine says he was abruptly dismissed from his post in part because he resisted efforts to widen the availability of a coronavirus treatment pushed by President Donald Trump.


Living in the USA wishing I was home.

Billy Mays

Imagine Varadkar or any other western leader doing similar to one of their own top medical experts? Me neither.

Donnie knows best though. No doubt about it, he is actual human scum

Diamond and Silk will still defend him though *shrug*

Laois_Man

CDC Director Dr. Redfield appears to have been put under pressure to lighten his comments on a winder outbreak being more difficult than the current wave.

Apparently there's a massive difference between "more difficult" and "worse" now.

Inquitus

Birx says potentially if Covid comes back, it hasn't left yet........

hetuzozaho

"in my opinion" - Trump. It's best to just stop listening then!

Laois_Man

Trump thinks they'll somehow be able to detect and isolate asymptomatic people next winter

hetuzozaho

Laois_Man wrote: »

Trump thinks

We can dream

Christy42

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He clearly misspoke. Pressers are long. It happens. He was attempting to reference the following stat:

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1252673409584111617

At the Sunday presser similar was said:




No, that couldn't be it - no, the orange man is a liar!!

Please, why would he even bother lying about something so easily bloody checked. The same people who for three years have been telling us all he's an idiot suffering from dementia, will tell us also that he's a conniving liar. Maybe pick one.

Just because Trump may not answer a question adequately, or even accurately, given the impression a reporter has caught the administration out, doesn't therefore make it so. These are just words and while of course it would be great if Trump was more articulate, his administration, along with the CDC are working tirelessly to get the job done regardless. His words are not the measure of the US administrations efforts to mitigate the spread of this virus.

Anyway, I think with regards to testing, Fauci made some good points here:


https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1251319535375966215


I see a lot of people also quoting USA numbers but given the numbers in many states in the US are quite low, comparatively, but tbf that dilutes the testing numbers and gives the false impression that therefore the testing must be low in areas even where there are hot spots, like like New York for example, but that's not the case as the following graph shows:





Not suggesting all is perfect and that they (the current administration) are absolutely on it, as well as they need to be, but they are for sure doing a damn sight better than many are giving them credit for.

Everywhere has the issue of testing will be lower in regions with less cases. Italy wasn't completely taken apart by this. Mostly the North (or to make equivalent to roughly the size of the US you could take the EU as a whole which varies by region in terms of testing and cases quite heavily).

Unfortunately Trump isn't taking any blame so damn near perfect is the standard.

He is holding nightly presses to inform the US public. He can have speech writers. He can have people write the cue cards. He can have people write his tweets. However he can't misspeak to the sheer ridiculous level you think he is. What you think he is trying to say has little relation to what he says and focuses on. Giving a coherent message is the point. He is failing at this utterly and this is part of the response. An important part (get people to stop panicking but to listen to advice from medical experts - most of the response is in the hands of the people social distancing). It is a crippling fault in the response that these briefings are nonsensical.

He is encouraging the protests. He is downplaying the virus (most important thing to him seems to be ratings). The US recorded its largest number of deaths yesterday at 2800.

threeball

Laois_Man wrote: »

Trump thinks they'll somehow be able to detect and isolate asymptomatic people next winter

They came out and said that they were revising their models down to 60k about 8 or 9 days ago. They'll surpass that in the coming week. I would guess they won't be far off 100k before they see a significant decrease in daily deaths. If the reopening of the country goes badly you could be right back up to the original 200k figure. Anything above 100k and hes toast. Theres not a chance he gets re-elected. This thing will tear through the poor southern states.

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1253092582231543808?s=19

Billy Mays

F*ck sake, he just did it again in the last hour :pac: :pac: :pac:

If you add up the testing of every nation in the world, we have done substantially more than that

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1253088301059358720

hetuzozaho

Billy Mays wrote: »

F*ck sake, he just did it again in the last hour :pac: :pac: :pac:

He just misspoke

And anyway Nancy Pelosi was in ChYYnatown. etc

Tell me how

Penn wrote: »

The big issue is that if the lockdown is lifted, it means people can't get unemployment benefits arising from the lockdown. So even if people wanted to stay home or keep their business closed due to lower chances of not being able to keep social distancing practices etc, they can't. So either they stay home for their own or their employees safety but get no unemployment benefits, or they go to work. Plus if you own a business and your competitors are able to operate, you risk losing your clients to them if you don't operate too.

So this is all just to save money, the virus will be able to run rampant, and if people die, they die.

The idea that they've twisted the public opinion in some of these cities/states that people are literally protesting to be able to do this.... is insane. The country is broken beyond repair.

Check out the Las Vegas Mayor.

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1253054221089484802

Head in f*ckin hands stupid.

Mayor: We offered to be a control group
AC: You offered to be a control group?
Mayor: Don't put words in my mouth.

AC: Are you going to at the casinos putting your life on the line?
Mayor: First of all, I have a family.

She also said, though not here, that it was the job of businesses to enforce safety measures, not her job.

ceadaoin.

Tell me how wrote: »

Check out the Las Vegas Mayor.

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1253054221089484802

Head in f*ckin hands stupid.

Mayor: We offered to be a control group
AC: You offered to be a control group?
Mayor: Don't put words in my mouth.

AC: Are you going to at the casinos putting your life on the line?
Mayor: First of all, I have a family.

She also said, though not here, that it was the job of businesses to enforce safety measures, not her job.

She literally has no power to do anything. She isn't involved with any of the measures to tackle to virus whatsoever. I don't know what she actually does tbh. The main part of the strip isn't even in her jurisdiction, only Fremont street (where they have a restaurant, no wonder she wants it open lol). She hasn't been seen in weeks and then pops back up with this ****.

Governor Steve Sisolak, the person who actually has control of the situation and has done a great job,, appeared on CNN a few hours later to refute her stance.


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/04/23/nevada-governor-steve-sisolak-responds-to-mayor-carolyn-goodman-anderson-cooper-ac360-bts-vpx.cnn

Billy Mays

hetuzozaho wrote: »

He just misspoke

It baffles me how people come on here day after day making stuff up in order to defend this cretin

Leroy42

ceadaoin. wrote: »

She literally has no power to do anything. She isn't involved with any of the measures to tackle to virus whatsoever. I don't know what she actually does tbh. The main part of the strip isn't even in her jurisdiction, only Fremont street (where they have a restaurant, no wonder she wants it open lol). She hasn't been seen in weeks and then pops back up with this ****.

Governor Steve Sisolak, the person who actually has control of the situation and has done a great job,, appeared on CNN a few hours later to refute her stance.


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/04/23/nevada-governor-steve-sisolak-responds-to-mayor-carolyn-goodman-anderson-cooper-ac360-bts-vpx.cnn

I think the bigger problem is that a senior politician is still making statements such as this. On national TV as well.

And one can assume that she is taking her lead from the narrative coming from the WH, that it's time to reopen and the worst is probably past.

One of course can laugh it off, but there are too many examples of this type of thinking to simply pass it off as silly individuals.

Grab All Association

Billy Mays wrote: »

It baffles me how people come on here day after day making stuff up in order to defend this cretin

.

Boggles

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He clearly misspoke. Pressers are long.

He has misspoke the same lie several times now.

Ohhhh, big bad orange man beat me harder.

Outlaw Pete

Billy Mays wrote: »

F*ck sake, he just did it again in the last hour :pac: :pac: :pac:

Which backs up what I said, he's clearly misspeaking and absolutely believes what he's saying to be accurate. Like I said, on Sunday night he read "As of today, we’ve tested 4.18 million Americans. That’s a record anywhere in the world. The United States has now conducted more total tests than all of the following nations combined and then followed it with a list of countries. Clearly he believes he's saying the same thing again and whilst that's wrong, there's a difference between being wrong and lying.

Christy42 wrote: »

An important part (get people to stop panicking but to listen to advice from medical experts - most of the response is in the hands of the people social distancing). It is a crippling fault in the response that these briefings are nonsensical.

You act like Trump is the only one speaking. Three doctors spoke last night and with each one Trump made a point of asking the reporters did they have any more questions for each one of them. Maybe if the reporters didn't spend so much time asking gotcha focused questions, the pressers would be more on point.

He is encouraging the protests.

Last night? Can you quote where he did that as the only time I heard him comment on a specific state was when he said he didn't agree with the Georgia governor, Brian Kemp, opening up parlours and the like so early. I believe he said he strongly disagreed with it and that it was too early.

He is downplaying the virus (most important thing to him seems to be ratings).

Not true at all:

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1253090651291496450


You seem to want to hone in on one or two inconsequential comments Trump makes of a night and then suggest that is the measure of a two hour presser. Be it a case of perceived inappropriate levity or a slight inaccuracy, you can be sure the reaction with be completely disproportionate. End of the day a balance has to be struck between being honest with the public and making sure that they know that what's happening won't last forever. It's Trump's job to try and strike that balance. There are experts there each night to inform the public about where the country is with regards to mitigation and their job is somewhat different to Trump's and he seems eager for them to be able to do that too.

There were lots of positives last night, here's one that you can be sure won't get many headlines given it doesn't fit the favoured narrative of late:

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1253096428395782145

Leroy42

Mis speaking and saying something you believe to be true that turns out to be false are two completely different things.

I misspeak my nieces names all the time (there are 10 of them) and quickly correct myself. don't actually think that Mary is called Sarah!

And I am not in a formal press conference setting, with the best ratings. If I was giving a speech I would make sure to get her name right!

Jebus Pete, is that really all you have left! Basically the POTUS is incapable of a coherent thought whilst at work?

Remember this is the man that tells it like it is, except he doesn't really know what he is saying.

And you think you can tell us what he actually meant when he said something when you just admitted that what he says can be totally different to what he meant.

I repeat, this is not some dude in a bar. This is the POTUS, giving a formal press conference to the nation.

ChikiChiki

Tell me how wrote: »

Check out the Las Vegas Mayor.

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1253054221089484802

Head in f*ckin hands stupid.

Mayor: We offered to be a control group
AC: You offered to be a control group?
Mayor: Don't put words in my mouth.

AC: Are you going to at the casinos putting your life on the line?
Mayor: First of all, I have a family.

She also said, though not here, that it was the job of businesses to enforce safety measures, not her job.

Nevada Governor showing real leadership and compassion in his response. How can the Mayor be so disconnected.

dogbert27

'But we still lost 15,000 people and I still am the governor and I still hold myself responsible and I still say to myself what else could I do.'

This is leadership from Cuomo. Trump could learn a lesson.

dogbert27

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8247507/Nobel-winning-economist-says-Great-Depression-Trump-charge.html

Interesting from Stiglitz.