American response

ShatterAlan

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Most americans arent thick. Fox news is not america. Trump has always known its serious, how could he not? Hes just a dick

As a non American living in america, I think most states are doing a good job, regardless of Trump, better than a lot of european countries tbh.

Most Americans ARE fcuking thick and that's coming from a non-American who has lived in the US for 8 years. You might have a circle of friends there who are somewhat enlightened. There might even be the odd looney-lefty in your clique who has gotten off his or her ass and got a passport and did a bit of travelling to broaden their mind...maybe. But such a scenario is a microcosm of the overall demographic.

ShatterAlan

Melanchthon wrote: »

Yeah the same posters that are bashing UK and USA responses aren't constantly posting about Sweden and the Netherlands strategies because even though they are doing sweet FA their "good" countries particularly Sweden.
Same way not loads of posts castigating the Spanish leadership for encouraging people to go on Feminist marches but there is for Borris Johnson shaking hands, or in UK Borris gets sh-t for that Sadiq Khan gets a pass on the even more idiotic statement that using the Tube is literally NO risk.

Lots of countries and politicians really screwing this up but which countries who get complained about is to do with posters dislike of their politicians more than anything else

I don't see the leaders of Sweden or the Netherlands bare-ass lying to the public, like Trump. I don't see them making cretinous predictions like "this virus will magically disappear" like Trump has said. People like you just can't deal with the fact that you've thrown in your lot with the whole "exceptional nation, USA number 1, beacon of freedom, shining light, city on a hill, American dream" horsesh1t and when America's true face of arrogance and galactic ineptitude is exposed for all to see and it's as plain as the nose on your face you stamp your feet in a tantrum and start berating people for having the temerity to justifiably criticise your precious and above reproach America.

Manic Moran

Leroy42 wrote: »

How are they going to stop people from other states coming to Vegas? And how will they know that people form the Western states are not infected?

They won't. But why would anyone go to Vegas if the casinos are closed because they haven't gotten to that stage in the opening yet?

Texas is opening up again as of today, but the requirements of people coming in from the coronavirus hotspots remain in place. They need to register their place of self-quarantine, and they will be subject to random checks by DPS to ensure compliance.

That's assuming such travel is permitted by the departure points. I'm happy to have my daughter come visit me from California, but she's on lockdown because CA's not in as good a position as TX is. So she can't get to me. And if she does get to me, I have to register her, and confine her to quarters for a fortnight.

As Caodain observes, we aren't just throwing open the gate and going back to the way things were, it's a balanced and measured response which limits risk whilst still trying to restore some life to the economy (and sanity to the people). As we say in the Army, someone has to be the first to take off the gas mask, but we don't all take them off at the same time. Some risk must be taken. Unacceptable risk is to be avoided.

[Edit. How is this any different from the relaxations of restrictions which are currently happening in Europe and started a couple of weeks ago?]

ShatterAlan

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Was just watching the news, it's remarkable that the richest country on the planet is reduced to throwing vital supplies into the backs of picks ups and massive SUVs at drive through car park food-aid stations as people lose their jobs and income in a moment.

That richest canard is a crock. Whatever wealth the country has is concentrated in the wallets of the top 1%. If you ever experience public services in the US like public offices, transport, infrastructure such as bridges, airports, dams etc. they are Third World. Look at their response to Katrina....housing people in a friggin football stadium with no ventilation, no electricity and no sanitation, putting people in makeshift caravans where they died because they were chemically contaminated. Look at how they handled the Gulf oil spill. By comparison look at how West Germany and the mayor of Munich handled the tens of thousands of East Germans and Czechoslovakians who streamed across the border in 1990. I believe the guy was briefed at about 8am of the imminent influx. He had them all fed and sheltered by that evening. Just another day at the office.

ShatterAlan

Danno wrote: »

As do most of the world.

How many people do you know who couldn't come up with 400 euros in the event of an emergency? Because most Americans or at least half couldn't.

ShatterAlan

one world order wrote: »

Did the fake New York Times mention he closed travel to China just 10 days after the first case appeared in the US when they were calling him racist to do so. He was also quick to close travel from Europe, which the WHO criticised him for, but he was proven right on both.

So you want the prick to be given a medal for locking the stable door 10 days after the horse has bolted? :pac:

briany

So, it looks as though the U.S. has sailed past Fauci's revised estimate of 60,000 dead by August before April had even ended. I would guess Trump is hugely annoyed as he touted this number as evidence of his effective leadership to mitigate this disaster down from the graver 100-200,000 initial estimate with restrictions in place.

And as the U.S. pushes past 60,000 with this whole movement to reopen the country, I have to wonder how the situation will develop if cases and deaths begin to steadily rise across the country. We have to remember here: the U.S. has what I guess you could call a manageable situation in most states, and an absolute disaster in New York. New York is an example of what any large U.S. city could be like if people are not careful. It's a very real situation for those on the ground, and one that could spell political suicide for Trump if he is too blasé.

ChelseaRentBoy

one world order wrote: »

Did the fake New York Times mention he closed travel to China just 10 days after the first case appeared in the US when they were calling him racist to do so. He was also quick to close travel from Europe, which the WHO criticised him for, but he was proven right on both.

In fairness I'm no Trump fan but this is correct.

Grab All Association

It wasn’t Chinese tourists that brought it in though. It was the repatriation of American citizens.

2u2me

Grab All Association wrote: »

It wasn’t Chinese tourists that brought it in though. It was the repatriation of American citizens.

The CDC were quarantining and testing all repatriated citizens..

Tell me how

2u2me wrote: »

The CDC were quarantining and testing all repatriated citizens..

Known infected people flew to US with non-infected.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials argued the 14 infected Diamond Princess passengers shouldn’t be flown back with the 300 or so virus-free people — but ultimately lost the battle to the US State Department, according to the Washington Post.

ShatterAlan

Humilde wrote: »

Its the same story here in Europe also. The failure of the left wing and centrist parties to govern properly has led people to vote for the extremists. You can laugh all you like at the USA, but economically they'll be laughing at us in a years time. Europe is absolutely screwed economically. Tell me one European leader who acted correctly in all of this. Not one. They all reacted when it was too late, with some even overreacting to the detriment of their own people when the horse had already bolted. Any idiot could see that we needed to close the EU border back in early February. But no, the free market bull**** and not offending anyone was more important. If there had been even one country who had closed their border on time, then they wouldn't have anything like the problems they have now. Even our own government was talking about how they had a plan in place bla bla bla and that they were expecting the virus to arrive any day. So if they knew it was coming, why didn't they, at the very least, block flights from the worst affected regions, such as China? They'll quote hindsight etc etc, but they knew it was coming. Also, the press were really found wanting again on this. And now that the **** has hit the fan, the press just ramps up the fear with the continuous scaremongering and negative headlines.

GTFO of here. Are you nuts?


Back up your diatribe with some facts. The US is finished.A husk of a country that hasn't seen wages rise in real terms since the effing 70's. "They'll come back and the rest of us will envy their wealth" Grow up!

ShatterAlan

threeball wrote: »

Another two weeks of big government telling them to stay inside for their own good and the self appointed militias in places like Michigan will start getting itchy and kicking off. American law enforcement is not known for its restraint so you could see little Waco's kicking off all over the shop. Middle America is full of headers.

You won't see SH!T.


The spanners in America who stock their houses with guns do so for a reason. They are afraid to fight. They would have barrels of dynamite and hand grenades if they could and walk around like dickheads with bandanas and guns and "Don't Tread On Me" t-shirts.



Have you ever seen any of these cannon-cocking knobheads rock up and defend someone from a writ of Habaeus Corpus or Eminent Domain? Nah. The dildoes don't even know what that means.


That's why these dopes spend all their money on military grade weapons and paradoxically wear US flag T-shirts or patches on their stupid "uniforms".



They want to sound loud and proud and hard but flying the flag is their safety valve for not having the government come slamming down on them.


So the government lets these dopes fart around with their guns full in the knowledge that not a one of them would have the balls to challenge power.

threeball

ShatterAlan wrote: »

You won't see SH!T.


The spanners in America who stock their houses with guns do so for a reason. They are afraid to fight. They would have barrels of dynamite and hand grenades if they could and walk around like dickheads with bandanas and guns and "Don't Tread On Me" t-shirts.



Have you ever seen any of these cannon-cocking knobheads rock up and defend someone from a writ of Habaeus Corpus or Eminent Domain? Nah. The dildoes don't even know what that means.


That's why these dopes spend all their money on military grade weapons and paradoxically wear US flag T-shirts or patches on their stupid "uniforms".



They want to sound loud and proud and hard but flying the flag is their safety valve for not having the government come slamming down on them.


So the government lets these dopes fart around with their guns full in the knowledge that not a one of them would have the balls to challenge power.

Shortly after I posted that the simpletons with guns rocked up on the door of the government buildings in Michigan so I was proven right. They did kick off. It hasn't gotten to a conflict stage yet but as the virus escalates again in the next month and they are forced to close again you'll see a lot more resistance than you do now. It only takes a few nutters to get the ball rolling and if there's one thing the states isn't short of it nutters.

ShatterAlan

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Honestly though, there really is no need for Americans to travel abroad if they don't want to. There's a reason why the US is a top tourist destination. There really is pretty much any activity or scene on offer within the country and huge differences between the states, from landscapes to culture. The people I know do travel a lot, especially to Hawaii and Disneyland. They love Disneyland lol.

Most people do say they want to go to Europe at some stage, especially Ireland but for the average person it's more trip of a lifetime type thing and not something to be done on a regular basis.

Would you ever FO.


America has EVERYTHING so why would they travel abroad? This is the kind of wanker argument that makes them and their apologists so thick.


Well we have beaches so why go to Cape Verde?
We have mountains so why go to Nepal or Switzerland?
We have museums and the Eiffel Tower in "Vegas" so why go to Paris?
We have some dildo on the side of the road called Tiger King with a bunch of animals in cages so why should we go to Kenya or India?


My Great-great grandmom came from Doe-NUH-Gawl..we have corned beef and cabbage here so why would I visit Eye-uhr-Land?

ceadaoin.

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Would you ever FO.


America has EVERYTHING so why would they travel abroad? This is the kind of wanker argument that makes them and their apologists so thick.


Well we have beaches so why go to Cape Verde?
We have mountains so why go to Nepal or Switzerland?
We have museums and the Eiffel Tower in "Vegas" so why go to Paris?
We have some dildo on the side of the road called Tiger King with a bunch of animals in cages so why should we go to Kenya or India?


My Great-great grandmom came from Doe-NUH-Gawl..we have corned beef and cabbage here so why would I visit Eye-uhr-Land?

No, I won't "FO" lol. Why are you getting so worked up?

I thought you said you live in the US? Sounds like you really hate it. Maybe time to look at moving home?

ShatterAlan

dogbert27 wrote: »

I said I read a stat years ago that this was the case. I got corrected on it and found where it changed after 9/11 when passports were required to travel to Canada, Mexico and other central American countries.

The way they work with no social protection, sick leave or paid holiday leave is the down side of the American dream where if you work hard enough, non stop, you too can become rich.

Americans obviously don't want this system changed or they would be voting in a political party that would give it to them.

The point of Americans not travelling outside of America is not so much that they don't travel but that they give their opinions or take actions on the rest of the world that they have had no real interaction with.

I worked in New Jersey with a guy who didn't know where the Dominican Republic was.
I said fair enough I asked him did he know where Cuba was to give him a reference.
He didn't know where Cuba was.
I said okay.
I asked him did he know where Florida was to give him a reference to Cuba. He didn't know where Florida was.

But he was quick to tell me about them Iraqis over there. One guy doesn't make a country but he does epitomize the typical Trump supporter.

The only people who apologise for American ignorance are the ones who got conned and they can't get it out of their heads.


Let's look at the most populous countries on Earth...China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Mexico, et al. There are millionaires as well as peasants in these lands much like America. The difference is that people from these countries want to see the rest of the world. Even if they can't afford the fare. American peasants, and even those who can scrape up the money don't want to do it because they are told the World outside America is terrible and one ought not go there.

ShatterAlan

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Beach in California at the weekend:

Can you tell us what beach this was? Since California shutdown beach gatherings are you just bluffing people out now?

PS

Relax...I got it..Newport.

ShatterAlan

threeball wrote: »

Shortly after I posted that the simpletons with guns rocked up on the door of the government buildings in Michigan so I was proven right. They did kick off. It hasn't gotten to a conflict stage yet but as the virus escalates again in the next month and they are forced to close again you'll see a lot more resistance than you do now. It only takes a few nutters to get the ball rolling and if there's one thing the states isn't short of it nutters.

And what has anyone of them done. A bunch of geebags shouting "Let us in, let us in" And that's their resistance to tyrannical government. You could give these assholes an armoured column and they'd beat their chests and still do fcuk all.


"Don't tread on me". haha...You're being trod on everyday.


At least people without guns in other countries fight. The French petrolbomb the cops and smash the place up and grind out the government and all they have is their fists. These pussies in Michigan with their cammies and assault rifles and night vision goggles wouldn't do jack. If the cops came out and ordered them to piss off home or face arrest they'd just slope off to the bar and talk about the 2nd amendment between shots of tequila.

snoopboggybog

17,750,000 visited Europe in 2018. 41 million flew overseas or 12.5% of their population.

I live in the States and many prefer just to stay in the US in all honesty. I doubt most of the population could point out a single EU country on a map to be honest if you asked them to do.

ShatterAlan

threeball wrote: »

Shortly after I posted that the simpletons with guns rocked up on the door of the government buildings in Michigan so I was proven right. They did kick off. It hasn't gotten to a conflict stage yet but as the virus escalates again in the next month and they are forced to close again you'll see a lot more resistance than you do now. It only takes a few nutters to get the ball rolling and if there's one thing the states isn't short of it nutters.

in all honesty, if you really had it in for the government whether it be Federal, State or Local and you wanted to change that by force of arms would you go poncing around the street with a gun you bought from Walmart or at some convention, all cammied up like some low rent Rambo, mouthing off or would you stay low key and plot your "revolution" under the radar away from the prying eyes of the state?


These assholes are absolute losers and I see it around the world the way people laugh at them.


"Don't Tread On Me"
"These Colors Don't Run"
"Freedom Isn't Free"


Tossers.

dogbert27

snoopboggybog wrote: »

17,750,000 visited Europe in 2018. 41 million flew overseas or 12.5% of their population.

I live in the States and many prefer just to stay in the US in all honesty. I doubt most of the population could point out a single EU country on a map to be honest if you asked them to do.

That was really the point I was trying to make, ignorance of the outside world rather then who is better travelled.

ShatterAlan

ceadaoin. wrote: »

No, I won't "FO" lol. Why are you getting so worked up?

I thought you said you live in the US? Sounds like you really hate it. Maybe time to look at moving home?

I'll go wherever I want, thank you.


i'll hover between Europe and my tiny gaff in New Hampshire.



And don't get on a loop that you can't get off..."If you don't love America go home! If you don't love America, go home!" I can live where the fcuk I want....The US, Canada, Kenya, Croatia, Tonga, wherever. You see...this is my world. That means I can call America a dump if I want......and it IS a dump. But I do like Lake Sunapee in the Summer.

snoopboggybog

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I'll go wherever I want, thank you.


i'll hover between Europe and my tiny gaff in New Hampshire.



And don't get on a loop that you can't get off..."If you don't love America go home! If you don't love America, go home!" I can live where the fcuk I want....The US, Canada, Kenya, Croatia, Tonga, wherever. You see...this is my world. That means I can call America a dump if I want......and it IS a dump. But I do like Lake Sunapee in the Summer.

What are you on about?

Sweetemotion

UH Oh. Woman who blamed Trump after giving her husband fish tank cleaner now under investigation.

https://disrn.com/news/arizona-woman-who-gave-her-husband-fish-tank-cleaner-now-under-investigation-for-murder.

Harry Palmr

Well that would be a very American murder most foul.

gormdubhgorm

snoopboggybog wrote: »

17,750,000 visited Europe in 2018. 41 million flew overseas or 12.5% of their population.

I live in the States and many prefer just to stay in the US in all honesty. I doubt most of the population could point out a single EU country on a map to be honest if you asked them to do.

Plus America is so large it is rare that those from all sides of America congregate together. I remember a fella from California was saying this when he was in college in Ireland and there he was at a party with Americans from all over.

gormdubhgorm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

UH Oh. Woman who blamed Trump after giving her husband fish tank cleaner now under investigation.

https://disrn.com/news/arizona-woman-who-gave-her-husband-fish-tank-cleaner-now-under-investigation-for-murder.

I know it is terrible a fella dying and that. But the suspected murder is called "Wanda Lenius"


There was an old film called "A Fish Called Wanda"

gormdubhgorm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Why is it "anti-American" to point out the obvious. i.e. that the US is incompetent?


You don't like uncomfortable truths so you attack those who point out facts?

Because as the poster pointed out Ireland actually have more deaths per capita than the USA. I posted the figures myself on a previous page.
This thread is mostly just a let's laugh at the yanks, bad as we are we are not as bad as they are.
But there is plenty wrong with Irish culture that the average Americans could point to, example the drink culture, having to be of a certain religion to get into schools etc.

gormdubhgorm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Do you think the fact that Ireland is conducting 50% more tests per capita might have something to do with that? The US last week conducted 1.2mn tests, while Ireland conducted 41,500. Per million, that is 3,670 conducted there vs 8,479 here, meaning 2.3 tests are done in Ireland for every one that is done in the US.

Many states in the US are testing at less than a third of what we are in Ireland, while those that are at a similar level of testing, such as Louisiana and Massachusetts, are coming in considerably higher in terms of percentage of cases - 0.9% and 0.6% respectively.

Furthermore, do you think the lack of testing being done in nursing homes/residential care facilities in the US also plays a factor? In the US, two thirds of these don't have decent access to testing while in Ireland we are attempting to conduct tests at every single one, and are redelopying 1-in-5 HSE staff members specifically to them. In Ireland, these facilities account for 21% of all of our cases, and 59% of our deaths.

I realise all that but I was merely pointing out the figures at hand. However I am no maths genius so it is up to some one else to estimate the figures based on nursing care homes, tests per capita and so on.
Then come up with a figure.
I still think America is not doing that badly despite all of the above given the sheer scale of the country and despite Trump being the figurehead.