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    #1322
    Airyfairy12
    Registered Users Posts: 3,398 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    2u2me wrote: »
    It's more than just a country, it's a continent.

    North America is a continent, the USA is part of a continent but is a country. Thats like saying Russia or Denmark or anywhere is a continent because it's part of one.


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    #1323
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Christy42


    2u2me wrote: »
    It's more than just a country, it's a continent.

    I can think of a many millions who would make the point that it is not a continent. Not sure too many deny it being a country though


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    #1324
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,270 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I can think of a many millions who would make the point that it is not a continent. Not sure too many deny it being a country though

    Well its not a continent but who is denying its a country though? we all know the US is a country. My point is that each state is also more like an EU member state with its own government, police force and laws than it is like an Irish county or typical country region. Simply having the entire country on the same timeline regarding reopening just isn't practical. Many states just won't accept the federal government telling them what to do for a start.

    That's why Trump left it up to individual states. It would have been anarchy if he tried to impose lockdown and it would be anarchy if he tried to force everyone out of it too. And also it was because he didn't want to take responsibility for anything lol. Now he can take credit for the successful states while also saying he had nothing to do with the failure rush job ones. But there's no reason to think the entirety of the US is going to be a failure. There are actual plans in place same as in many European countries.


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    #1325
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Europe has 4 time zones. The US has 11.


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    #1326
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,270 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    2u2me wrote: »
    Europe has 4 time zones. The US has 11.

    It has 6


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    #1327
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,709 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Many states just won't accept the federal government telling them what to do for a start. That's why Trump left it up to individual states. It would have been anarchy if he tried to impose lockdown and it would be anarchy if he tried to force everyone out of it too.

    The scale of the disaster going to emerge there is eye watering.

    Let's be real, a lot of this comes down to education and basic common sense.

    Trump is a symptom of the wider problem in US society. The fish rots from the head down but he was elected in the first place.

    It's sad to see the decline of, up until very recently, a great nation.

    Now it's laughed at and treated with the contempt it deserves.

    And I say that as someone who loves the US.

    I just think it's sad really.


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    #1328
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

    Now it's laughed at and treated with the contempt it deserves.

    By whom?


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    #1329
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,709 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    2u2me wrote: »
    By whom?

    Everyone outside (a part from some weird Trump backers).

    No one takes the country seriously anymore. It's become a laughing stock since Trump's election.


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    #1330
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Everyone outside (a part from some weird Trump backers).

    No one takes the country seriously anymore. It's become a laughing stock since Trump's election.

    The expression; throwing stones in glass houses comes to mind.


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    #1331
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,709 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    2u2me wrote: »
    The expression; throwing stones in glass houses comes to mind.

    No, it really doesn't.

    Trump and his whole administration is just a ridiculous disaster sh!tfest.

    Everyone knows it.

    Is there a debate to be had? There really isn't.


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    #1332
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Everyone outside (a part from some weird Trump backers).
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Is there a debate to be had? There really isn't.

    Everyone who disagrees with you a Trump supporter.
    No debate to be had.

    Gotcha


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    #1333
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    2u2me wrote: »
    Europe has 4 time zones. The US has 11.


    It doesn't.


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    #1334
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,709 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    2u2me wrote: »
    Everyone who disagrees with you a Trump supporter.
    No debate to be had.

    Gotcha

    Not everyone. Some are shinners. :pac:

    :cool:


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    #1335
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Christy42


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Well its not a continent but who is denying its a country though? we all know the US is a country. My point is that each state is also more like an EU member state with its own government, police force and laws than it is like an Irish county or typical country region. Simply having the entire country on the same timeline regarding reopening just isn't practical. Many states just won't accept the federal government telling them what to do for a start.

    That's why Trump left it up to individual states. It would have been anarchy if he tried to impose lockdown and it would be anarchy if he tried to force everyone out of it too. And also it was because he didn't want to take responsibility for anything lol. Now he can take credit for the successful states while also saying he had nothing to do with the failure rush job ones. But there's no reason to think the entirety of the US is going to be a failure. There are actual plans in place same as in many European countries.

    Trumpnis leaving it up to individual states because he threatened to open all of them up and was told to take a running jump by New York. Rather than be embarrassed he backed down. Though he has still encouraged protestors to fight for opening up in states that really, really shouldn't like Michigan so he can take the blame there

    The US is at its peak (hopefully) so while there might be a cluster of states somewhere sheltered from the rest. Someone is messing up real bad which means more people are going to die than is needed. And they are going to hurt their neighbours and anyone who doesn't shut flights from there quick enough.

    So I am sure the entirety won't be a failure but a very large proportion is shaping up to be and many of them want to make it worse.


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    #1336
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    2u2me wrote: »
    By whom?

    Twitter shout mob and forum commentators.


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    #1337
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Attack say's the President

    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0507/1136927-coronavirus/

    The drums of war get louder.


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    #1338
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Twitter shout mob and forum commentators.

    China, North Korea, Russia. We have seen EU leaders, World Bank leaders.

    Saudi Arabia, since hey can d whatever they like and trump will do nothing. Israel, I would think they never thought it would be this easy. Turkey.

    Venezula basically told him to f off when he said he backed a new leader.


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    #1339
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Attack say's the President

    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0507/1136927-coronavirus/

    The drums of war get louder.

    And yet he totally failed to protect the American public.

    Whatever can be said of GWB and 9/11, Trump was given clear prior warning and even examples from countries such as China and Italy, as well as how to deal with it from South Korea, and yet he not only failed to take any action, he went out of his way to downplay and threat.

    If Trump really believe this, then he is most definitely the worst POTUS in history for a singular failure to act and protect his own country.


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    #1340
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    And yet he totally failed to protect the American public.

    Whatever can be said of GWB and 9/11, Trump was given clear prior warning and even examples from countries such as China and Italy, as well as how to deal with it from South Korea, and yet he not only failed to take any action, he went out of his way to downplay and threat.

    If Trump really believe this, then he is most definitely the worst POTUS in history for a singular failure to act and protect his own country.

    Of course he is, nobody is disputing that but don't underestimate how much support he still has within the US even though support for him is down.

    Honestly i think he'll end up starting a war with China i really do only question is will it be economic, cyber or military based.


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    #1341
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Of course he is, nobody is disputing that but don't underestimate how much support he still has within the US even though support for him is down.

    Honestly i think he'll end up starting a war with China i really do only question is will it be economic, cyber or military based.

    War with China is inevitable no matter which president is serving.


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    #1342
    bocaman
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭bocaman


    Yes a conflict of some description will take place between Trumps America and China


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    #1343
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    War with China is inevitable no matter which president is serving.

    Seemed like Clinton, GWB and Obama somehow managed to avoid this inevitability. Ant so has Trump to this point.


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    #1344
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Seemed like Clinton, GWB and Obama somehow managed to avoid this inevitability. Ant so has Trump to this point.

    Yes to this point. The inevitability points towards the future.

    Here's an example. The doctor tells you that your illness can't be cured. Your untimely death from illness is inevitable.
    Your response : Well I didn't die last week.


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    #1345
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yes to this point. The inevitability points towards the future.

    Here's an example. The doctor tells you that your illness can't be cured. Your untimely death from illness is inevitable.
    Your response : Well I didn't die last week.

    In your example, I was not aware of the illness last week, or that it was incurable. What is it about the illness that means that it is inevitable? But my death was always inevitable, it is just that the timeframe has been cyrtalised.

    So what has happened since Trump became POTUS that makes a conflict inevitable. Obviously something has changed from when the others were POTUS.

    It is not just more likely, it is now inevitable. So something pretty significant and unable to be resolved has occurred.


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    #1346
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Of course he is, nobody is disputing that but don't underestimate how much support he still has within the US even though support for him is down.

    Honestly i think he'll end up starting a war with China i really do only question is will it be economic, cyber or military based.

    He already tried trade wars, and the US got beaten in nothing short of humiliating fashion. A lot of those farmers will never get their livelihoods back and will need change profession or rely even heavier on socialist government handouts than before now.


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    #1347
    Tchaikovsky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    Will he have the tallest building in New York thanks to Covid-19?


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    #1348
    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Trump has a big gob on him but I am thinking not much in the way of guts. He pockmarked a green field in Syria a few years back in response to possible chemical weapons use. As for the 'take out on the Iranian Gen Qasem, It would not surprise me if US intel went ahead with that before telling Trump. When it comes down to it Don likes to swagger but that about it. China, on the other hand, is totally going down the road in its belief that it can soon be No1. Russia no2 and whats left of the US popping up the rear. All that debt the US has will weigh it down in the long term. Would not be surprised if a far-left candidate takes office in 4-8 years and decides on burning its bondholders!

    Dan.



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    #1349
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    fryup wrote: »
    they have the worst President in the worst time in their History, god help america if he gets re-elected
    Christy42 wrote: »
    It isn't the best time but hardly the worst. Something like a world war or the civil war going on would be worse. He is up there with the dumbest.

    No idea the task force was that popular. The mind boggles at the lunatic.

    he's totally narcissistic, who else would show a self promoting video during a press conference

    and the way he turned his back on that nurse the other day when she said she hadn't enough PPE was shameful


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    #1350
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    In your example, I was not aware of the illness last week, or that it was incurable. What is it about the illness that means that it is inevitable? But my death was always inevitable, it is just that the timeframe has been cyrtalised.

    So what has happened since Trump became POTUS that makes a conflict inevitable. Obviously something has changed from when the others were POTUS.

    It is not just more likely, it is now inevitable. So something pretty significant and unable to be resolved has occurred.

    Nothing has changed. China continues to expand. A strong presence in Africa now. The resumption of the silk road is another. China is going to overtake the Us eventually . This cannot be allowed to happen.

    Since Ireland is also a western world country with strong ties to the Us and the fact that our economy relies on Us multinational employers means people should realise which side they are on and which side they rely on.

    It is inevitable


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    #1351
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Nothing has changed. China continues to expand. A strong presence in Africa now. The resumption of the silk road is another. China is going to overtake the Us eventually . This cannot be allowed to happen.

    Since Ireland is also a western world country with strong ties to the Us and the fact that our economy relies on Us multinational employers means people should realise which side they are on and which side they rely on.

    It is inevitable

    This seems like you want the US to be the aggressor. I mean China will overtake the US economically but I don't see how you want to stop it without the US attacking China. Which will consign millions to their deaths as a low ball estimate.


    Good to know we have our "in case Trump starts ww3" excuses in nice and early.


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