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    #1922
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    joe40 wrote: »
    The guns were purely for intimidation and threat. There is no comparison between guns and umbrellas.
    I can't believe I just had to type that sentence.

    When Americans protest in open carry states they bring their guns. No problems there. No open carry laws in Ireland so it might seem strange to some here. It's not


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    #1923
    Christy42
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    When Americans protest in open carry states they bring their guns. No problems there. No open carry laws in Ireland so it might seem strange to some here. It's not

    Open carry does not mean guns are mandated. They were also allowed to wear 50 hats each but did they? No. They could have left the guns at home but they didn't. They brought them for a reason and the only possible reason was intimidation. Are they expecting wild bears to disrupt the protest?

    They are allowed bring the guns. I agree. They does not make them immune to the consequences of this decision whereby they are viewed as crazy gun nut protestors. Same way most people would think someone wearing 50 hats to a protest was a bit crazy.

    Edit: and if the reason really is I can have an open carry gun and therefore I must which is the least crazy reason I can think of that still not a sign of a stable individual to me. Why not I can wear 50 hats and therefore I must?


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    #1924
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users Posts: 3,919 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    https://twitter.com/mohsaab/status/1261434027203891200?s=21

    Their death rate is going to be in the multiple millions by winter if no vaccine is found by December.


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    #1925
    MadYaker
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    If you have ever watched Trump being questioned by the media most of the questions are normal enough. Then some journalist looking for a gotcha moment will ask something stupid hoping for a reaction.
    Something to generate clicks and revenue. As bad as the like of rte are they are not a patch on American media.

    That goes both ways with fox news too. They are divisive and deal in sensationalism.
    There are two articles on the journal app today. One is how Biden won't stop an investigation into trump if he wins. And the other "can Joe Biden win from his living Room?"

    The media is telling you all how to think. No balance. Have you ever seen a positive trump news story on Irish media? Ever?

    I don’t read much of the Irish news media and they certainly don’t tell me how to think. My views on trump are based solely on his Twitter, his speeches, and his press conferences which I watch live or not at all. What positive trump stories have been ignored by the Irish media in your opinion?


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    #1926
    extra gravy
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    When Americans protest in open carry states they bring their guns. No problems there. No open carry laws in Ireland so it might seem strange to some here. It's not

    No it's not strange. It's insane.


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    #1927
    Blueshoe
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    No it's not strange. It's insane.

    I completely disagree


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    #1928
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    If you have ever watched Trump being questioned by the media most of the questions are normal enough. Then some journalist looking for a gotcha moment will ask something stupid hoping for a reaction.
    Something to generate clicks and revenue. As bad as the like of rte are they are not a patch on American media.

    That goes both ways with fox news too. They are divisive and deal in sensationalism.
    There are two articles on the journal app today. One is how Biden won't stop an investigation into trump if he wins. And the other "can Joe Biden win from his living Room?"

    The media is telling you all how to think. No balance. Have you ever seen a positive trump news story on Irish media? Ever?

    I am not sure the gotcha questions at press conferences really cover twitter rants mate. You can explain that group of presidential statements.

    Most of the questions aren't even gotchas. "what do you say to scared Americans" is not a gotcha. It is a soft question. Outside of "you're campaign has all the speed of a runaway steam train" I am not sure how much nicer they can get.

    Side note on the Irish media. They have also not published a pro flat earth piece that I have ever seen. Balance isn't pretending both sides are the same. It is reporting things fairly. It isn't because of the media that Trump doesn't know what is going at any point in time.


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    #1929
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Update on essential services from the president

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1261470041221902338

    The video is how I imagine it would look if you could walk around trumps mind :)

    What a following he has!!

    Jeez he's one hell of a geebag. Actively creating division. I see Trump has retweeted it twice with a significant gap in between so he let's this type of thing frame his mindset.

    Footage like this is fuel to the big orange gimp.


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    #1930
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I completely disagree

    It's accepted by a minority. The Americans I know wouldn't know one end of a gun from the other never mind taking them out to the local Subway. It's insane to them as it is to most Americans.


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    #1931
    NSAman
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    It's accepted by a minority. The Americans I know wouldn't know one end of a gun from the other never mind taking them out to the local Subway. It's insane to them as it is to most Americans.

    how many of your American friends have guns?


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    #1932
    ChikiChiki
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    So if only a few people turned up it's not a problem. Not to the same "extent"
    Over 300 million people in the country.

    How many people have to turn up before you think it's extensive. 15? 5000? 6 million?

    Guns are legal. No problems there.
    Umbrellas are legal in Ireland people can bring them to protests here if they wish.

    Guns V umbrellas. This is the calibre of the average Trump fan......

    Whataboutery merchants.


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    #1933
    Blueshoe
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    It's accepted by a minority. The Americans I know wouldn't know one end of a gun from the other never mind taking them out to the local Subway. It's insane to them as it is to most Americans.

    It's estimated that 30% of Americans own a gun. That's 100 million people.


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    #1934
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    NSAman wrote: »
    how many of your American friends have guns?

    None.


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    #1935
    NSAman
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It's estimated that 30% of Americans own a gun. That's 100 million people.

    Thats low but even if we go with that figure, it is also location dependent. where I live practically EVERYONE as a gun or 10. In. Many other areas of the country, gun ownership is not as high as it is here.

    This is something that I as an Irish person still cannot get my head around.

    When you see friends asking for advice on training a 7 year old in safe gun handling and education, you know this issue is bigger than anything else.

    The VAST majority of gun owners here are responsible people.


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    #1936
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It's estimated that 30% of Americans own a gun. That's 100 million people.

    You weren't taking about ownership though, you were talking about open carry at protests. How many of those 30% think it's acceptable to bring a gun to a protest?


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    #1937
    NSAman
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    None.

    Then your friends are not typically American I have to say.

    That is not a slight but a statistical probability. As I said above it also depends on where your friends live.

    I personally do NOT own a gun and that is by choice, but I know I am in an extreme minority where I live.


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    #1938
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    NSAman wrote: »
    Then your friends are not typically American I have to say.

    That is not a slight but a statistical probability. As I said above it also depends on where your friends live.

    I personally do NOT own a gun and that is by choice, but I know I am in extreme minority where I live.

    Yeah I meant to add, they mostly live in SF, NJ and NY. Assume gun ownership wouldn't be as high in those places.


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    #1939
    Blueshoe
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    You weren't taking about ownership though, you were talking about open carry at protests. How many of those 30% think it's acceptable to bring a gun to a protest?

    Yes I see no problem with bringing legally owned and registered gun to a protest in an open carry state. It's not illegal. Irish people can't seem to understand it but that makes zero difference.

    If I lived in the Us I wouldn't purchase a gun but I see no problem with others doing so either. Bring them wherever they choose once within the law. I don't think anyone got shot either. No foul. Play ball


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    #1940
    NSAman
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    You weren't taking about ownership though, you were talking about open carry at protests. How many of those 30% think it's acceptable to bring a gun to a protest?

    This is the alien concept to most people who were born outside America. Why would you want to carry a gun at all?

    Despite open carry and other such laws such as concealed permits (state dependent) why do Americans feel the need to carry? I personally will never understand this, but then I live in a very safe area....which is based on the number of people owning weapons.


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    #1941
    alchemist33
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yes I see no problem with bringing legally owned and registered gun to a protest in an open carry state. It's not illegal. Irish people can't seem to understand it but that makes zero difference.

    If I lived in the Us I wouldn't purchase a gun but I see no problem with others doing so either. Bring them wherever they choose once within the law. I don't think anyone got shot either. No foul. Play ball

    You don't have to be Irish to think bringing heavy weaponry to a protest is intimidation. I saw many Americans online describe it as terrorism. There were also pictures of one black politician going to work the next day guarded by men with similar guns.
    It might have been legal but to think they were posing there with their guns for anything other than intimidation is hopelessly naive.


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    #1942
    Manic Moran
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    NSAman wrote: »
    This is the alien concept to most people who were born outside America. Why would you want to carry a gun at all?

    Despite open carry and other such laws such as concealed permits (state dependent) why do Americans feel the need to carry? I personally will never understand this, but then I live in a very safe area....which is based on the number of people owning weapons.

    I, too, live in a very safe area, which is a statement based on the number of violent crimes committed around here. The cause is probably related to the surprisingly strong police presence, I'm seeing more SAPD cars around here than DPD in my old California house.

    That number is not zero. There was an attempted broad daylight kidnapping in my local supermarket carpark earlier this year, for example. (Serial kidnapper, apparently, had tried for a jogger earlier that week)

    Should the statistics continue to favour me, the fact that I wear a sidearm will remain of a purely academic matter of the number of persons licensed to carry a firearm as nobody will know any better. Even my parents didn't realise I was armed most times we went out and about for the three weeks they stayed with me. Should the statistics catch up with me, better to have the gun and not need it then need it and not have it.


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    #1943
    MadYaker
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    So how long do we reckon it’ll be before Fauci gets the boot?


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    #1944
    MadYaker
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    I, too, live in a very safe area, which is a statement based on the number of violent crimes committed around here. The cause is probably related to the surprisingly strong police presence, I'm seeing more SAPD cars around here than DPD in my old California house.

    That number is not zero. There was an attempted broad daylight kidnapping in my local supermarket carpark earlier this year, for example. (Serial kidnapper, apparently, had tried for a jogger earlier that week)

    Should the statistics continue to favour me, the fact that I wear a sidearm will remain of a purely academic matter of the number of persons licensed to carry a firearm as nobody will know any better. Even my parents didn't realise I was armed most times we went out and about for the three weeks they stayed with me. Should the statistics catch up with me, better to have the gun and not need it then need it and not have it.

    You’re not free if you have to arm yourself to feel safe going about your daily business. That’s an extreme measure that has been forced on you by the situation in the country you live in.


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    #1945
    Leroy42
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    Blueshoe wrote: »

    The media is telling you all how to think. No balance. Have you ever seen a positive trump news story on Irish media? Ever?

    Any update on all these positive stories that the Irish Media is refusing to cover?


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    #1946
    Jim_Hodge
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I completely disagree

    You're perfectly entitled to but you're wrong.


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    #1947
    Manic Moran
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    You’re not free if you have to arm yourself to feel safe going about your daily business. That’s an extreme measure that has been forced on you by the situation in the country you live in.

    Erm. Sort of projecting there, aren't you? Who said I feel unsafe? I just posted that I'm in a pretty safe area. Probably safer than much of Dublin, frankly. (Family house is in D14). The likelihood of my needing my sidearm is probably about the same level as the chances of a fire in my house. I don't keep a fire extinguisher because I feel the house is unsafe. I keep it because fires happen regardless of the statistics, at which point it's a dammed good thing to have handy.

    [Edit. I shall not be replying to further commentary about why I choose to be armed. This is a Coronavirus thread]


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    #1948
    Harry Palmr
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    Lets not drag this into the usual pro/anti gun argument :)


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    #1949
    Blueshoe
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    alchemist33 wrote: »
    You don't have to be Irish to think bringing heavy weaponry to a protest is intimidation. I saw many Americans online describe it as terrorism. There were also pictures of one black politician going to work the next day guarded by men with similar guns.
    It might have been legal but to think they were posing there with their guns for anything other than intimidation is hopelessly naive.

    Terrorism! Lol.
    I can imagine the type alright


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    #1950
    extra gravy
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Terrorism! Lol.
    I can imagine the type alright

    Which type? The normal people that don't go around like pretend soldiers? It blows my mind that some people think that bringing a weapon that's capable of killing someone to a protest is acceptable.


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    #1951
    threeball
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    Which type? The normal people that don't go around like pretend soldiers? It blows my mind that some people think that bringing a weapon that's capable of killing someone to a protest is acceptable.

    Same lad would be laughing at/critcising muslims firing guns in the air at protests after a drone attack in the middle east saying they were like something from the middle ages.


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