American response

MadYaker

lord quackinton wrote: »

There is no denying since trump had solemani killed Iran has backed off greatly and a monster who murdered women and children is dead

Trump has proudly backed Hong Kong and Taiwan. Not so long ago protestors in Hong Kong ran through the streets waving American flags

How about what he is doing on lowering drug prices. Something he is nearly fighting alone as dems and reps are not really backing him which is a shame

How about his permanent tax cuts - has put money back where it belongs and has led to huge growth.

But his best policy was cutting planned parenthood and hopefully he finishes it off.
I agree with abortion and the rights of women to decide but planned parenthood targets minorities
Since 1973 of the 44 million abortions black babies account for 19 million but make up only 13 % of the population
This is true racism and amounts to genocide , trump is right to defund him and more and more black people in America are agreeing with trump.

That’s the craziest post I’ve read on here in a while

SeamusFX

Blueshoe wrote: »

China makes cheap consumer goods for the western world. Of course the Us is buying more from China than vice versa. Chinese goods are cheaper and made under slave like conditions with workers working 12 hours a day 6 days a week. Nobody can compete with that.

In January both leaders signed a deal with China agreeing to buy 200 billion dollars worth of extra Us made goods.
It has also been signed that the existing tariffs on 360 billion worth of goods will remain with the threat of further sanctions if China doesn't live up to its agreement to buy the extra 200 billion.
Check the signed deal yourself. Its fact.
Winnie the Pooh backed down. Trump won biggly
90k dead from a global pandemic has nothing I do with the trade war. It did originate in China though.

Stop listening to Trump propaganda! Trump won sh!t! Do you really think China will buy and extra $200 billion of US goods? Then if China doesn't live up to its agreement, the US will add further sanctions and then China will counter with extra tariffs against the US and the trade war will escalate again. This will all happen after the election, so Trump is just again kicking the can down the road. Taking credit for a fantasy and then when the fantasy doesn't happen, there will almost definitely be a new Democratic president for the right-wing nutjobs on Fox News and OAN to blame. Face it FatFu€k45 is a complete failure, a disaster to America, the economy, the country's health, well-being and the World.

Tell me how

Blueshoe wrote: »

China makes cheap consumer goods for the western world. Of course the Us is buying more from China than vice versa. Chinese goods are cheaper and made under slave like conditions with workers working 12 hours a day 6 days a week. Nobody can compete with that.

In January both leaders signed a deal with China agreeing to buy 200 billion dollars worth of extra Us made goods.
It has also been signed that the existing tariffs on 360 billion worth of goods will remain with the threat of further sanctions if China doesn't live up to its agreement to buy the extra 200 billion.
Check the signed deal yourself. Its fact.
Winnie the Pooh backed down. Trump won biggly
90k dead from a global pandemic has nothing I do with the trade war. It did originate in China though.

Beijing now slapping tariffs on Australian goods because of calls for an independent investigation into Coronavirus origin.

90K+ dead has nothing to do with the fact that it originated in China.
Unless you want to start counting all deaths associated with sales from the US arms industry.

is_that_so

Some thoughts on the general US response.

Why do Americans represent less than 5% of the world’s population but nearly a third of the known coronavirus death toll? Not because of government incompetence, the Trump administration is arguing, but because Americans are very unhealthy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/all-the-psychoses-of-us-history-how-america-is-victim-blaming-the-coronavirus-dead

Blueshoe

SeamusFX wrote: »

Stop listening to Trump propaganda! Trump won sh!t! Do you really think China will buy and extra $200 billion of US goods? Then if China doesn't live up to its agreement, the US will add further sanctions and then China will counter with extra tariffs against the US and the trade war will escalate again. This will all happen after the election, so Trump is just again kicking the can down the road. Taking credit for a fantasy and then when the fantasy doesn't happen, there will almost definitely be a new Democratic president for the right-wing nutjobs on Fox News and OAN to blame. Face it FatFu€k45 is a complete failure, a disaster to America, the economy, the country's health, well-being and the World.

You should stop listening to left wing media and actually read the signed deal.
You don't know what China will or won't do either. It's just your biased opinion rather than sticking to facts.

SeamusFX

Blueshoe wrote: »

You should stop listening to left wing media and actually read the signed deal.
You don't know what China will or won't do either. It's just your biased opinion rather than sticking to facts.

The fact is, China hasn't done anything yet and the US still has a massive trade deficit with China. I think your BIG mistake is believing anything Trump says. The man lies about everything and has ZERO credibility! Just like his promise to have a vaccine by the end of the year. Conveniently right after the election, just like the trade deal with China, Trump is kicking this down the road. This way the habitual liar can say, I won a trade deal with China and we're getting a vaccine (acting as if he'll personally develop the vaccine). This way the idiot deplorables will still vote for him. If he gets elected, which is very unlikely, none of this matters, as he'll have another 4 years to screw things up worse. The added bonus to the GOP is, if and when Biden wins and China pulls out and there's no immediate vaccine, the hypocrites at Fox will blame it all, including the massive growing deficit on Biden and the Democrats. The sad thing is, that there are people stupid enough to continue to buy all of his BS, considering all the lies he has told! So sad!

Blueshoe

SeamusFX wrote: »

The fact is, China hasn't done anything yet and the US still has a massive trade deficit with China. I think your BIG mistake is believing anything Trump says. The man lies about everything and has ZERO credibility! Just like his promise to have a vaccine by the end of the year. Conveniently right after the election, just like the trade deal with China, Trump is kicking this down the road. This way the habitual liar can say, I won a trade deal with China and we're getting a vaccine (acting as if he'll personally develop the vaccine). This way the idiot deplorables will still vote for him. If he gets elected, which is very unlikely, none of this matters, as he'll have another 4 years to screw things up worse. The added bonus to the GOPs is, if and when Biden wins and China pulls out and there's no immediate vaccine, the hypocrites at Fox will blame it all, including the massive growing deficit on Biden and the Democrats. The sad thing is, that there are people stupid enough to continue to buy all of his BS, considering all the lies he has told! So sad!

This is opinionated garbage that is ignoring facts and signed agreements.
As for the vaccine Trump isn't developing it himself is he? Bio pharma is releasing data and continually updating vaccination timeline.
The Us debt is irrelevant.

"Idiot deplorables" . Stop the lights. Take a step back

SeamusFX

Blueshoe wrote: »

This is opinionated garbage that is ignoring facts and signed agreements.
As for the vaccine Trump isn't developing it himself is he? Bio pharma is releasing data and continually updating vaccination timeline.
The Us debt is irrelevant.

"Idiot deplorables" . Stop the lights. Take a step back

Trump's initial trade war with China completely backfired and caused him to spend billions in subsidies. The only weapon the US has against China is tariffs and sanctions for goods many Americans desperately need and all US tariffs do is to trigger counter tariffs by China. So, yes, the trade deal isn't worth the paper it's written on. I can hear Hannity and crew talking this down as the biggest scam ever if Obama brokered it.

I think the fact that you support Trump despite all of his lies and blunders speaks volumes for you intelligence, character and credibility.

Leroy42

Blueshoe wrote: »

This is opinionated garbage that is ignoring facts and signed agreements.
As for the vaccine Trump isn't developing it himself is he? Bio pharma is releasing data and continually updating vaccination timeline.
The Us debt is irrelevant.

"Idiot deplorables" . Stop the lights. Take a step back

Blueshow, you have top admit that the cost of the trade war was pretty high. Lasts I heard that had paid out $30bn+ in subsidies to farmers directly effected by it, and you can be sure there were other industries, with less access to Trump, that paid a price.

Timberrrrrrrr

Blueshoe wrote: »

This is opinionated garbage that is ignoring facts and signed agreements.
As for the vaccine Trump isn't developing it himself is he? Bio pharma is releasing data and continually updating vaccination timeline.
The Us debt is irrelevant.

"Idiot deplorables" . Stop the lights. Take a step back

Trump tore up a signed agreement with Iran, what makes you think China won't do the same with Trump/America?

lord quackinton

just another example of trump knocking it out of the park

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-building-trucks-to-ventilators-ford-worker

i dont want a sermon or tirade about fox not being a fair and free source.
just read and enjoy the fact trump is saving lives while you tap on your keys spreading hate.

Blueshoe

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Trump tore up a signed agreement with Iran, what makes you think China won't do the same with Trump/America?

Because they want and need the current sanctions lifted.
It's effecting their economy

Timberrrrrrrr

Blueshoe wrote: »

Because they want and need the current sanctions lifted.
It's effecting their economy

It's effecting the US economy too! How much didTrump have to give the farmers to bail them out and keep them on side?

Blueshoe

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's effecting the US economy too! How much didTrump have to give the farmers to bail them out and keep them on side?

30 or so billion in exchange for 200 billion of additional Chinese bought exports.
How long have the Eu been bailing out it's farmers? Ireland does well from this. It's common.

China are not an ally of the West. Anything that can be done to weaken them is good news for the status quo.
Their belt and road initiative has also thankfully began to fall apart. Chinese expansion shouldn't be encouraged.

Interesting 15 minute video of the potential global effects of the initiative

https://youtu.be/9ZgNwysabko

SeamusFX

lord quackinton wrote: »

just another example of trump knocking it out of the park

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-building-trucks-to-ventilators-ford-worker

i dont want a sermon or tirade about fox not being a fair and free source.
just read and enjoy the fact trump is saving lives while you tap on your keys spreading hate.

Hitting it out of the park? Trump's response was way too little, way too late. Please remember the /s before posting something so far from reality again.

Leroy42

Blueshoe wrote: »

30 or so billion in exchange for 200 billion of additional Chinese bought exports.
How long have the Eu been bailing out it's farmers? Ireland does well from this. It's common.

You are not comparing apples with apples. $200bn of trade does not means $200bn of additional revenue for the US. The 30bn+ paid came directly from the governement.

Blueshoe

Leroy42 wrote: »

You are not comparing apples with apples. $200bn of trade does not means $200bn of additional revenue for the US. The 30bn+ paid came directly from the governement.

It means 200 billion dollars more of products bought. Products made or produced by Americans. More jobs, more taxes paid both by companies and individuals.

30 billion is peanuts in the grand scheme

lord quackinton

Blueshoe wrote: »

It means 200 billion dollars more of products bought. Products made or produced by Americans. More jobs, more taxes paid both by companies and individuals.

30 billion is peanuts in the grand scheme

also blue shoe the 30 billion was probably borrowed from China in the first place.
double burn.

SeamusFX

Blueshoe wrote: »

It means 200 billion dollars more of products bought. Products made or produced by Americans. More jobs, more taxes paid both by companies and individuals.

30 billion is peanuts in the grand scheme

I'm sorry, but 200 billion dollars is the amount that could potentially be sold to China over 2 years, assuming they don't tear up the deal. It is not the profit or the US tax revenue. So if US companies sell China 200 billion dollars of soybeans, their margin on that business might be $20 billion and Uncle Sam may only get another 10% in taxes or about $2 billion. So yes, the 30 billion in subsidies which is a direct hit to our already massively ballooning deficit is pretty significant.

Timberrrrrrrr

Blueshoe wrote: »

It means 200 billion dollars more of products bought. Products made or produced by Americans. More jobs, more taxes paid both by companies and individuals.

30 billion is peanuts in the grand scheme

Probably using parts made in China.

lord quackinton

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Probably using parts made in China.

come on timber, you were well schooled by blue shoe. just accept it as one more step in your reawakening.

SeamusFX

lord quackinton wrote: »

come on timber, you were well schooled by blue shoe. just accept it as one more step in your reawakening.

What's really sad is when someone gets schooled and they actually think they won. Some people will never learn, I guess that's why Trumpers will never quit Trump, they're too busy schooling the Libs.

Guy:Incognito

Blueshoe wrote: »

China are not an ally of the West.

and the West isnt one place . If the best thing for trump is to ride the other western countries as best he can and side 100% with China, he'd do it tomorrow.

2u2me

is_that_so wrote: »

Some thoughts on the general US response.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/all-the-psychoses-of-us-history-how-america-is-victim-blaming-the-coronavirus-dead

Interesting question; could there be some truth to that? Lois Beckett doesn't seem to think so. Diabetes is the number one risk factor, being overweight is another (although probably related). How could there not be some truth to this?

Blaming black Americans for dying from a novel virus because they had diabetes or high blood pressure was precisely what Azar was doing.

That's where I stopped reading.

Blueshoe

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

and the West isnt one place . If the best thing for trump is to ride the other western countries as best he can and side 100% with China, he'd do it tomorrow.

https://youtu.be/9ZgNwysabko

Belt and road initiative. Best 15 minutes you'll watch today.
Education is everything

Guy:Incognito

https://twitter.com/EmbryEthan/status/1263515079535886336

Hes got this guys.

Kermit.de.frog

He's such a dumb ass.

It hurts.

Tell me how

A few days ago on this thread and frequently in any conversation about Trump/US Media, the accusation is that 'They're all at it'.

I think this tweets encapsulates how that is a dangerous position to take and how it has gotten to this. It certainly encapsulates Trumps approach with virtually no subtlety in how he goes about this.

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1262083583893803008

TheRepentent

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EmbryEthan/status/1263515079535886336

Kinda glad he ain't an electrician.....

Tell me how

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EmbryEthan/status/1263515079535886336

Hes got this guys.

https://twitter.com/EmbryEthan/status/1263525201695903744

And this is a level Fox go to time and time again. I mean,how can you make such a claim with so much evidence to the contrary. Which brings me back to Kasparov's tweet. You just lie. Or use alternative facts as another Trump fan would say.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/895081686681124864