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    #2702
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,204 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    I have criticised Trump and how he handled the virus plenty here. Its an annoying feature of this site where if you criticise a mainstream Dem people immediately assume you are a Trumper. It shouldn't be considered a radical idea criticising left and right but alas welcome to the Internet in 2020.

    Cuomo taking a victory lap after 31 000 people died and showing no interest in taking blame for the nursing home scandal because he knows his brother etc will run interference for him is the icing on an incredibly ****ty cake.

    He also was taking potshots at Ron De Santis the other day for twitter likes, Ron also has not had an erratic covid but as of last week deaths per one million New York under the "magnificent" Cuomo 1,613 where as in Florida 155.

    Sorry Mr Cuomo you don't get to sneer at anyone after your "results".

    While their as many Dem governors who deserve to be praised hugely, Cuomo certainly isn't one of them.

    For Twitter likes haha. Your bias is showing. He’s a state governor he doesn’t care about Twitter likes. You ignored the point I made about NY having loads of cases before anyone knew what was happening. What was he supposed to do about that exactly? It’s the WH’s job to warn states about this stuff. They had intel as far back as December but decided it wasn’t an issue. Cuomo was playing catch up from day one much like the Italians. He did pretty much as well as he could.

    It’ll be interesting to see why the likes of Texas and Arizona are in a few weeks.


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    #2703
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Gintonious wrote: »
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    A very concerning trend, they never even remotely flattened the curve.

    Month long protests in 2000 towns and cities at a time when mass gatherings are banned due to a global pandemic


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    #2704
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    The blm protests of the past month are defiantly to blame for the shocking amount of cases no doubt about it.

    That and incompetent testing on a federal and state level have created a ****storm.


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    #2705
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ricero wrote: »
    The blm protests of the past month are defiantly to blame for the shocking amount of cases no doubt about it.

    That and incompetent testing on a federal and state level have created a ****storm.

    Not sure how one can claim that, when so many Americans including POTUS, don't believe masks are necessary and that things need to be reopened.

    There were protests in NY yet, again, there has not been an upsurge there. So is it really a fact that the blm protests are to blame?

    No doubt they have added to the spike, but I don't think they are the only cause.


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    #2706
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,948 ✭✭✭Christy42


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Month long protests in 2000 towns and cities at a time when mass gatherings are banned due to a global pandemic

    New York 508 cases, Minnesota 442 cases yesterday. Both these places protests and yet are not fueling this increase. Heck London had protests as well which is doing pretty well (the UK's issues are elsewhere).

    Seems like it hasn't been the biggest vector for the disease. However if we look at places that didn't want to close down like Texas, Arizona or Florida we get a lot more cases.

    Try again.


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    #2707
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Christy42 wrote: »
    New York 508 cases, Minnesota 442 cases yesterday. Both these places protests and yet are not fueling this increase. Heck London had protests as well which is doing pretty well (the UK's issues are elsewhere).

    Seems like it hasn't been the biggest vector for the disease. However if we look at places that didn't want to close down like Texas, Arizona or Florida we get a lot more cases.

    Try again.

    In that case why are mass gatherings banned during a pandemic?

    Your statement or point is at odds with World health organisation and basically every medical organisations throughout the world advice.


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    #2708
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    In that case why are mass gatherings banned during a pandemic?

    Your statement or point is at odds with World health organisation and basically every medical organisations throughout the world advice.

    They're obviously not though, Trump trying to hold a mass rally is proof of that.


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    #2709
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,948 ✭✭✭Christy42


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    In that case why are mass gatherings banned during a pandemic?

    Your statement or point is at odds with World health organisation and basically every medical organisations throughout the world advice.

    No it isn't. You are putting the blame on those gatherings for the uptick but the states effected have been ignoring the advice on multiple different levels so to pin it on the protests seems silly.

    Judging from other states the protests don't seem to have had a massive effect. From a public health perspective they are not advisable but there did seem to be a decent bit of mask wearing and they were over large outdoor spaces.

    Quite frankly you seem to not get the difference between not advisable and responsible for a massive uptick in cases. Is me wearing a mask to the shops today advisable? Yes. Will it lead to a second wave if I don't? Probably not.


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    #2710
    Harry Palmr
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    Without granular detail everyone is guessing.


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    #2711
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    WHO Headquarters in Geneva

    Avenue Appia 20
    1211 Geneva
    Telephone: +41-22-7912111

    Please let them know re: mass gatherings are ok during a pandemic


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    #2712
    hotmail.com
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    In that case why are mass gatherings banned during a pandemic?

    Your statement or point is at odds with World health organisation and basically every medical organisations throughout the world advice.

    If the protests were in the slightest anti Trump, people will justify it no matter what.

    A lot of people have lost their logic and intelligence, due to the hatred so many have for Trump.


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    #2713
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    If the protests were in the slightest anti Trump, people will justify it no matter what.

    A lot of people have lost their logic and intelligence, due to the hatred so many have for Trump.

    Almost like Trumps whispy comb over has gotten in their eyes. They cant see

    Ignore their own governments advice on the topic
    Ignore medical experts
    Ignore the World health organisation
    Ignore their own common sense


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    #2714
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,948 ✭✭✭Christy42


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    If the protests were in the slightest anti Trump, people will justify it no matter what.

    A lot of people have lost their logic and intelligence, due to the hatred so many have for Trump.

    Prove that those protests caused the massive uptick in US cases. That is the argument here.

    Come on. This should also relate to why certain areas with protests do not have massive amounts of cases recently.


    But sure shout anti trumpers like it is a valid argument.


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    #2715
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Prove that those protests caused the massive uptick in US cases. That is the argument here.

    Come on. This should also relate to why certain areas with protests do not have massive amounts of cases recently.


    But sure shout anti trumpers like it is a valid argument.

    See my post above referring World health organisation, medical experts, common sense and Trump.

    It all come together yet


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    #2716
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    See my post above referring World health organisation, medical experts, common sense and Trump.

    It all come together yet

    Hold on a moment. Accoring to Trump the WHO is a corrupt useless body. Medical experts are advisory only and need not be listened to depending your own opinion and common sense is all about what ones believes Freedom means.

    You can't have it both ways. Trump has dismissed all of these and you have stood by him, you then can't blame others when people don't listen to them either.

    It certainly has all come together. Trumps continued insistance that everything that is even midly against his POV must be wrong and biased and out to get him, that experts don't know anything and that when anybody warns you of anything it is only to stop you and take away your freedom, was always going to lead to marge amount of people thinking that rules that apply to them, that stuff happens to other people, that they carry no personal responsibility.


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    #2717
    [Deleted User]
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    See my post above referring World health organisation, medical experts, common sense and Trump.

    It all come together yet

    Point to increases in infections in the states where there were large scale protests. Saying that something could potentially lead to an increase in numbers doesn't necessarily mean it has. So provide us with the data around the likes of Minnesota, New York etc where their numbers flew up.


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    #2718
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    The EU not allowing travel from the US is quite the statement about Trump's managing of the virus. :P He will not like that one bit.

    I see he tweeted again about Chyyyna.

    I think he has made the virus his own at this stage.


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    #2719
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Point to increases in infections in the states where there were large scale protests. Saying that something could potentially lead to an increase in numbers doesn't necessarily mean it has. So provide us with the data around the likes of Minnesota, New York etc where their numbers flew up.

    FYI be careful of investing time here
    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I saw your post this morning. Probably took a while to put together the documents and links. Kudos to you for effort.

    I won't be reading it though.
    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    No they probably do exist. I just wanted you to waste your time.

    It might be best to block me


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    #2720
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    WHO Headquarters in Geneva

    Avenue Appia 20
    1211 Geneva
    Telephone: +41-22-7912111

    Please let them know re: mass gatherings are ok during a pandemic

    You keep repeating this, Has anyone ever made this idiotic claim in the thread?

    Trump is the one who organised a mass indoor rally in the middle of a pandemic, he also had staff take down social distancing signs and didn't encourage mask wearing.


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    #2721
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Prove that those protests caused the massive uptick in US cases. That is the argument here.

    Come on. This should also relate to why certain areas with protests do not have massive amounts of cases recently.


    But sure shout anti trumpers like it is a valid argument.

    So you don't agree with public health advice? That's the implication of what you're saying.


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    #2722
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Hold on a moment. Accoring to Trump the WHO is a corrupt useless body. Medical experts are advisory only and need not be listened to depending your own opinion and common sense is all about what ones believes Freedom means.

    You can't have it both ways. Trump has dismissed all of these and you have stood by him, you then can't blame others when people don't listen to them either.

    It certainly has all come together. Trumps continued insistance that everything that is even midly against his POV must be wrong and biased and out to get him, that experts don't know anything and that when anybody warns you of anything it is only to stop you and take away your freedom, was always going to lead to marge amount of people thinking that rules that apply to them, that stuff happens to other people, that they carry no personal responsibility.

    The poster isn't defending Trump.


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    #2723
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You keep repeating this, Has anyone ever made this idiotic claim in the thread?

    Trump is the one who organised a mass indoor rally in the middle of a pandemic, he also had staff take down social distancing signs and didn't encourage mask wearing.

    And that was mad as well. Both were mad.


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    #2724
    [Deleted User]
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So you don't agree with public health advice? That's the implication of what you're saying.

    I imagine he does support public health advice but asking for proof that the protests are responsible for the uptick is a reasonable request. He's failed to provide it and ignored that the increased numbers appear to be related to cities that opened too early.


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    #2725
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    And that was mad as well. Both were mad.

    I agree, but rhe poster keeps claiming that mass protests are OK, no one has claimed they were.


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    #2726
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I imagine he does support public health advice but asking for proof that the protests are responsible for the uptick is a reasonable request. He's failed to provide it and ignored that the increased numbers appear to be related to cities that opened too early.

    This isn't the point. Either the advice is adhered to by everyone or else it isn't. You can't start making fun of Trump red necks now.


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    #2727
    [Deleted User]
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    This isn't the point. Either the advice is adhered to by everyone or else it isn't. You can't start making fun of Trump red necks now.

    It is the point when a person is claiming that protests are responsible for the increase in numbers...


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    #2728
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    Trump said the reason it seems like America has more cases is because they are doing more testing in that country, funny but also sort of logical, the recent protests/riots did no one any favors and apparently cases for age range 20 to 30 have jumped recently.


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    #2729
    hotmail.com
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It is the point when a person is claiming that protests are responsible for the increase in numbers...

    They may well be a factor in the increase. Not only directly, but it also gave influence to other people to break the rules.


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    #2730
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It is the point when a person is claiming that protests are responsible for the increase in numbers...

    Well yeah that would be obvious, loads of people gathered together. It is strange how the media are afraid to say it however and pointed at the probability it was beach goers lol.


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    #2731
    [Deleted User]
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    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    Well yeah that would be obvious, loads of people gathered together. It is strange how the media are afraid to say it however and pointed at the probability it was beach goers lol.

    But it's actually not obvious. Eg Minnesota's numbers did not go up after the protests. This could be for a variety of factors such as wearing masks or the virus behaving differently outdoors. The reality is, businesses opening early seems to have caused the uptick.

    https://www.wired.com/story/what-minnesotas-protests-are-revealing-about-covid-19-spread/


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