American response

spygirl

Overheal wrote: »

Oh good kids are getting back to school already in Georgia. Nothing to worry about...

yep and it's working out great for them Kid started school and tested positive the next day

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/08/05/a-second-grader-went-back-to-school-and-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-the-next-day/#611b60e62875

dogbert27

Trump should be held accountable for this

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8597947/Dr-Fauci-reveals-hired-personal-security-protect-daughters-receiving-death-threats.html

Christy42

Twitter and Facebook are taking some steps to restrict Trump's campaign from posting after the flat out lie that children that children are almost immune to covid.

The man wants Americans dead to get the economy moving. There is no other way to phrase it.

Leroy42

He doesn't want Americans to die, he simply doesn't care if they do. He much much rather they didn't die, but not because he cares about them, but if the virus went away, and people stopped dying, he would have an increased chance of winning the election.

Pinch Flat

Trump cares about two things - getting re-elected and wall street. He's no sympathy, empathy or care for the hundreds of thousands of Americans dieing and sick from the virus. They're simply collateral. It's quite sad to watch.

ChikiChiki

Christy42 wrote: »

Twitter and Facebook are taking some steps to restrict Trump's campaign from posting after the flat out lie that children that children are almost immune to covid.

The man wants Americans dead to get the economy moving. There is no other way to phrase it.

He talks about Covid the way the local vested interest businessman talks about it.

There are no words.

Also, I find that video he has posted to his Twitter a few times at this stage quite concerning Trump 2020, Trump 2024, Trump 2028 and on and on.

Like wtf is that about.

Danzy

Looks like Corona has peaked in many States and the country overall.

Which is a relief.

New cases dropping drastically in many of the larger States where it went rampant, with California, for example, halving in the last 2 weeks.

Christy42

Danzy wrote: »

Looks like Corona has peaked in many States and the country overall.

Which is a relief.

New cases dropping drastically in many of the larger States where it went rampant, with California, for example, halving in the last 2 weeks.

Really? We really going to claim that after 1300 official deaths yesterday? They are at 55k/day which is around about their first peak. Down from their second at over 70k a day but that was only last week.

Let's not go down that road too early when they are trying to reopen schools with more deaths/day than the EU has per week.

Hopefully you are right but far too early to call that right now.

Christy42

Christy42 wrote: »

Really? We really going to claim that after 1300 official deaths yesterday? They are at 55k/day which is around about their first peak. Down from their second at over 70k a day but that was only last week.

Let's not go down that road too early when they are trying to reopen schools with more deaths/day than the EU has per week.

Hopefully you are right but far too early to call that right now.

The initial peak was largely driven by the north earth, the second by the the major population centres in the south and west. There are no remaining major population centres in the US that have escaped, so I would say the 70k peak will likely not get overtaken. It will sustain a high level for a significant period I would imagine however, as there are still large parts of even badly impacted states with relatively low case numbers and even lower restrictions

BailMeOut

Danzy wrote: »

Looks like Corona has peaked in many States and the country overall.

Which is a relief.

New cases dropping drastically in many of the larger States where it went rampant, with California, for example, halving in the last 2 weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/05/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

Populous California and Florida have the largest decreases in the past month in raw numbers: Florida’s average daily cases have tumbled to about 7,300 from a peak of nearly 12,000, while California surpassed 10,000 before dropping close to 7,000. Those two states also have reported major data snags.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) noted a big drop in daily cases, but officials warned a day later that issues with the reporting system were causing an undercount. Florida’s numbers, meanwhile, were disrupted by Hurricane Isaias, which led officials to suspend coronavirus testing at dozens of sites.

Danzy

Christy42 wrote: »

Really? We really going to claim that after 1300 official deaths yesterday? They are at 55k/day which is around about their first peak. Down from their second at over 70k a day but that was only last week.

Let's not go down that road too early when they are trying to reopen schools with more deaths/day than the EU has per week.

Hopefully you are right but far too early to call that right now.

Deaths lag so it isn't an indicator of peak.

Danzy

Christy42 wrote: »

Really? We really going to claim that after 1300 official deaths yesterday? They are at 55k/day which is around about their first peak. Down from their second at over 70k a day but that was only last week.

Let's not go down that road too early when they are trying to reopen schools with more deaths/day than the EU has per week.

Hopefully you are right but far too early to call that right now.

The American approach is much stricter than some parts of Europe, looking at the Dutch in this one.

That doesn't mean that the Yanks did it right, just that the Dutch did next to nothing and a short walk around The Plein in The Hague will show that there is no social distancing, no one seems to give a toss, same as any other Summer.

hetuzozaho

Danzy wrote: »

That doesn't mean that the Yanks did it right,

I think we can all agree that the Trump/American response was and is poor.

dogbert27

Christy42 wrote: »

Twitter and Facebook are taking some steps to restrict Trump's campaign from posting after the flat out lie that children that children are almost immune to covid.

The man wants Americans dead to get the economy moving. There is no other way to phrase it.

hetuzozaho

Fauci is going to be in more trouble with Trump:

“Yeah, it is quantitatively if you look at it, it is. I mean the numbers don’t lie,” Fauci said when asked during an interview with CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta whether the U.S. had the world’s worst coronavirus outbreak.

hetuzozaho

dogbert27 wrote: »

That interview is unbelievable to watch, I presume he won't be allowed do similar anytime soon unfortunately! What a mess he has made.

Danzy

dogbert27 wrote: »

It's not contentious to say that Coronavirus is not a problem for the vast majority of children, that's a massive relief for us all.

It also gives us confidence that reopening schools is not going to be a problem.

Many places in Europe have done so months ago precisely because it is not affecting children to any degree and not causing a spike in cases.

Danzy

dogbert27 wrote: »

It's not contentious to say that Coronavirus is not a problem for the vast majority of children, that's a massive relief for us all.

It also gives us confidence that reopening schools is not going to be a problem.

Many places in Europe have done so months ago precisely because it is not affecting children to any degree and not causing a spike in cases.

Christy42

Danzy wrote: »

It's not contentious to say that Coronavirus is not a problem for the vast majority of children, that's a massive relief for us all.

It also gives us confidence that reopening schools is not going to be a problem.

Many places in Europe have done so months ago precisely because it is not affecting children to any degree and not causing a spike in cases.

Deaths in the EU the last week: 748
Deaths in the US in one day alone yesterday: 1362

Per capita those numbers are 1.66 per million for the EU and 4.11 for the US.

Cases in one day for the US, which as you say just dropped and so is not massively high is 54,504.
EU for a full week:67,627
Per capita 150 per million for the EU for the full week.
164 cases per million for the US for a single day.

Your statement is like saying Bill Gates can buy a luxury mansion and be financially fine so it must be fine for me to so as well.

(oh kids are not immune and they are certainly not immune to being asymptomatic spreaders - see that camp in Georgia)

Inquitus

The American figures started to level off and tail downwards as soon as they changed the reporting mechanism away from the CDC, its convenient to say the least!

Leroy42

Inquitus wrote: »

The American figures started to level off and tail downwards as soon as they changed the reporting mechanism away from the CDC, its convenient to say the least!

Yeah, there really can be no confidence in the numbers being reported since Trump has stated that his goal is to have less positive tests through less testing.

hetuzozaho

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah, there really can be no confidence in the numbers being reported since Trump has stated that his goal is to have less positive tests through less testing.

No confidence in anything said by the man.

Even when we all had the figures he would lie about the figures. Nightly he would say more tests than the whole world combined.

He lies and tries to mislead constantly.

Field east

Re reporting numbers of deaths per day ,is there not a nursing union or equivalent to the Irish nursing union in the US to verify the daily death rate. - like the Irish Nursing Union reporting trolly numbers on a daily basis. It would be in the interest of the US nursing/ caring. fraternity to to report the real number especially if the ‘official ‘ figure is lower then theirs. The under reporting of the figures should be of concern to careers , nurses and doctors in the US because of their health

Tell me how

hetuzozaho wrote: »

No confidence in anything said by the man.

Even when we all had the figures he would lie about the figures. Nightly he would say more tests than the whole world combined.

He lies and tries to mislead constantly.

I maybe will disagree with you on this statement. That is because, I don't necessarily think that he has the mental faculties to grasp a lot of the reality of situations beyond just being motivated to thing, 'What do I want.

Particularly around Covid, his statement that 'we only have more cases because we test more' is borne out of him not understanding the cases are there anyway, testing only makes everyone aware of them.

Christy42

Tell me how wrote: »

I maybe will disagree with you on this statement. That is because, I don't necessarily think that he has the mental faculties to grasp a lot of the reality of situations beyond just being motivated to thing, 'What do I want.

Particularly around Covid, his statement that 'we only have more cases because we test more' is borne out of him not understanding the cases are there anyway, testing only makes everyone aware of them.

John Oliver described it best. It is like a duck's opinion on the next justice of the supreme court. He is unaware of truth and doesn't care for the truth. He has no opinion on it. He never has a clue if he is lying or not. He is just saying it for the hell of it.

Tell me how

Christy42 wrote: »

John Oliver described it best. It is like a duck's opinion on the next justice of the supreme court. He is unaware of truth and doesn't care for the truth. He has no opinion on it. He never has a clue if he is lying or not. He is just saying it for the hell of it.

The most fascinating thing is not that he is what he is, but that after 4 years of this, 3 months out from the next election, many people still look at him and say, this is the guy we want!

Fascinating as in bizarre, incredible, jaw-dropping, irrational as opposed to impressive.

Leroy42

Tell me how wrote: »

I maybe will disagree with you on this statement. That is because, I don't necessarily think that he has the mental faculties to grasp a lot of the reality of situations beyond just being motivated to thing, 'What do I want.

Particularly around Covid, his statement that 'we only have more cases because we test more' is borne out of him not understanding the cases are there anyway, testing only makes everyone aware of them.

Oh I disagree with you on that. Not the part where he doesn't understand the reality but he is making these statements in the knowledge he doesn't know but he is making them to try to benefit himself. They are calculated to make himself look good.

I could perfectly understand he, as many other world leaders did, were completely caught off at the start and made some silly or incorrect statements. It was a unique situation, be where none of them were prepared.

But he has never tried to understand (whilst of course pretending that he alone understands) and has gone out of his way to make false and misleading statements all aimed at minimising others and making the issue look under control.

Leroy42

Christy42 wrote: »

John Oliver described it best. It is like a duck's opinion on the next justice of the supreme court. He is unaware of truth and doesn't care for the truth. He has no opinion on it. He never has a clue if he is lying or not. He is just saying it for the hell of it.

if that was the case, then you would expect him to sometimes lie in a way that wasn't aimed at others. But that is never the case. Everything he says he aimed at making himself look better, so on that basis he clearly knows he is lying.

Harry Palmr

The bodies will still be piling up regardless of the testing and notifications. Each family will have a story and that story may be told at the ballot box in November.

Overheal

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The bodies will still be piling up regardless of the testing and notifications. Each family will have a story and that story may be told at the ballot box in November.

Maybe outside the ballot box, or in some states several hundred yards away. There are laws about that.