Falling fuel prices and car tax

saabsaab

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I judge that your argument, poll, and repetition of the same old hackneyed nonsense all have no merit whatsoever.

You're free to do so. Many may have a different opinion after reading through this post.

saabsaab

Prices at the pump down from what I see today. Set to continue I'd say. Good opportunity to make changes.

Wildly Boaring

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Ah yes making sweeping changes to established system during a crisis is the perfect time alright

Is the plan just to bump this thread till 2035 and then close when you've gone EV?

I realise the irony of bumping it again

saabsaab

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Is the plan just to bump this thread till 2035 and then close when you've gone EV?

I realise the irony of bumping it again

Bumping?



Still fishing?

Idbatterim

with the general loss of employment, more working from home of those that remain employed. I can see households also ditching two cars. Motoring related revenue, will be significantly down...

Bass Reeves

saabsaab wrote: »

Explain what you mean by 'narrowing the tax base' then, in this context.

Putting all tax on fuel turns it into a pure consumption tax. In a recession consumption taxes decline as people spend less. This is what would happen if you changed it from a tax on cars to a tax on fuel. While on a recession people may stop buying new cars or stop changing there car, in essence most will still continue to own a car. If you own a car you have to pay car tax on it. If you have the tax on fuel people reduce fuel consumption and thereby the tax base is reduced.

Henry Ford III

Any hope this thread could be closed? It's going nowhere fast.

R.O.R

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Any hope this thread could be closed? It's going nowhere fast.

I think its time to stop feeding it and hopefully it will just die quickly.

bazz26

Just give it up lads, answering just keeps this thread alive indefinitely and all you will get is the same reply repeated over and over again designed to keep the thread at the top of the forum. The thread is just a repetitive straw man argument and a general train wreck. Just let it wither away by not answering in thread.

The OP now will probably throw another tantrum about being denied fair something, something...

saabsaab

Some years ago but of interest..


https://www.thejournal.ie/pay-as-you-drive-system-should-replace-motor-tax-says-td-253469-Oct2011/

saabsaab

bazz26 wrote: »

Just give it up lads, answering just keeps this thread alive indefinitely and all you will get is the same reply repeated over and over again designed to keep the thread at the top of the forum. The thread is just a repetitive straw man argument and a general train wreck. Just let it wither away by not answering in thread.

The OP now will probably throw another tantrum about being denied fair something, something...

Why so threatened by it. Are you going to take your own advice?



I doubt it somehow.

saabsaab

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Putting all tax on fuel turns it into a pure consumption tax. In a recession consumption taxes decline as people spend less. This is what would happen if you changed it from a tax on cars to a tax on fuel. While on a recession people may stop buying new cars or stop changing there car, in essence most will still continue to own a car. If you own a car you have to pay car tax on it. If you have the tax on fuel people reduce fuel consumption and thereby the tax base is reduced.

Ok, see your point but this could be tried and if what you say came to pass it can be adjusted accordingly. What is to be lost?


By the way appreciate you debating the proposal.

BarryD2

Paid €1.11 ltr diesel this morning. Petrol €1.20.

Looks like a ripe fat target for an 'emergency budget'. Will be sold as a 'carbon/ solidarity tax' or something like that. More excise duty, more VAT - what's not to like from Dept Finance POV? Simple, tried and trusted method of getting dosh into the coffers.

Far more likely than some change in how motor tax is levied.

saabsaab

BarryD2 wrote: »

Paid €1.11 ltr diesel this morning. Petrol €1.20.

Looks like a ripe fat target for an 'emergency budget'. Will be sold as a 'carbon/ solidarity tax' or something like that. More excise duty, more VAT - what's not to like from Dept Finance POV? Simple, tried and trusted method of getting dosh into the coffers.

Far more likely than some change in how motor tax is levied.

You could well be right. Pity, the 'road' tax system is well overdue a reform or better abolition.

pablo128

saabsaab wrote: »

You could well be right. Pity, the 'road' tax system is well overdue a reform or better abolition.

You want to abolish car tax, yet you want to increase it on another thread?
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113107085&postcount=642

saabsaab

pablo128 wrote: »

You want to abolish car tax, yet you want to increase it on another thread?
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113107085&postcount=642

Their PAYE or self employment tax in that case!

saabsaab

Gone quiet, too quiet..

saabsaab

You can be sure a deep recession is on the way.



In a recession many people will stop buying new cars or stop changing their car, many will still continue to own a car. If you own a car you have to pay car tax on it at present even if you are not using it or using it very seldom.



Is this fair or even green to increase tax on 'ownership' when most people won't have money to spend in a depression. Older cars at least have the carbon used in construction already spent. This is taking money out of the community when the opposite should happen.

biko

saabsaab wrote: »

Gone quiet, too quiet..

If you bump this thread I will lock it.

Widdensushi

What will you do when oil prices go up,work for people who do alot of mileage might be no longer viable, on one hand you are promoting it as it will collect more tax,on the other you say less tax,the system as it is is not broken, you are just coming across as a wum now.

saabsaab

Widdensushi wrote: »

What will you do when oil prices go up,work for people who do alot of mileage might be no longer viable, on one hand you are promoting it as it will collect more tax,on the other you say less tax,the system as it is is not broken, you are just coming across as a wum now.

I see it as raising a similar amount of tax in a different way. Anyway fuel prices vary all the time and it looks like they will be falling for some time now.

Bass Reeves

saabsaab wrote: »

You can be sure a deep recession is on the way.



In a recession many people will stop buying new cars or stop changing there car, many will still continue to own a car. If you own a car you have to pay car tax on it at present even if you are not using it or using it very seldom.



Is this fair or even green to increase tax on 'ownership' when most people won't have money to spend in a depression. Older cars at least have the carbon used in construction already spent. This is taking money out of the community when the opposite should happen.

Are you going to stop hiding the poll results. No pointy debating any longer with you. You have not declared is your argument from a green only perceptive or from a multi cat ownership perceptive.

And again you plan to narrow the tax base in a recession

saabsaab

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Are you going to stop hiding the poll results. No pointy debating any longer with you. You have not declared is your argument from a green only perceptive or from a multi cat ownership perceptive.

And again you plan to narrow the tax base in a recession

Poll results will be visible on 14th when it ends.


Perhaps this 'narrowing' is for the better.

McCrack

biko wrote: »

If you bump this thread I will lock it.

It's a good thread, be a shame to lock it

mgbgt1978

He will only start another anyway :rolleyes:

Another few dozen pages of repetition.:D:D:D

saabsaab

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

He will only start another anyway :rolleyes:

Another few dozen pages of repetition.:D:D:D

I don't intend to at this point. Anyway why are some so upset about it? There has been much dafter stuff on boards that were let stay on.

saabsaab

Poll closed.

This result is for a differently worded poll and even then not just a small minority in favour of a change, as some suggested. The outcome could not be closer is in spite of being hijacked and a biased wording against the original proposal inserted.

I must also point out the previous poll showed a clear majority and if you add the numbers for both you would still get a strong majority in favour. That previous post was derailed and the same this time. It is very clear that some don’t want such a proposal to be even considered.