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Gangland Shootings part 3 - Read OP before posting - updated 27/12/23

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    #2942
    greenthum
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭greenthum


    James Bolger wrote: »
    Did Big go to college? Must have for a few years and said “ah **** this is for mugs”.

    Did Alan Ryan try to tax him? I read years ago in a rag they exchanged words in a car park and one told the other they were getting a bullet. That simple, eh. Probably a lot more to it. Interesting though

    there was a phone call. which someone on here got totally wrong a while back. involving a female


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    #2943
    JM009
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭JM009


    Sorry if already asked but is Patrick Lawlor related to Robbie?


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    #2944
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    James Bolger wrote: »
    Did Big go to college? Must have for a few years and said “ah **** this is for mugs”.

    Did Alan Ryan try to tax him? I read years ago in a rag they exchanged words in a car park and one told the other they were getting a bullet. That simple, eh. Probably a lot more to it. Interesting though


    Apparently Ryan’s crew tried to tax relations of the tiger kidnap gang close to big....that’s the fight in the car park, Ryan whooped ass, told him he’d be back to collect, knocked on a female relations door a few days later looking for a his few quid, didn’t get it but left with a threat and another tax demand to a sibling who was in the house at the time. He was dead not so long after.


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    #2945
    JM009
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭JM009


    Oceans One wrote: »
    Apparently Ryan’s crew tried to tax relations of the tiger kidnap gang close to big....that’s the fight in the car park, Ryan whooped ass, told him he’d be back to collect, knocked on a female relations door a few days later looking for a his few quid, didn’t get it but left with a threat and another tax demand to a sibling who was in the house at the time. He was dead not so long after.
    Rumour goes Ryan threw a pint over MrBig too at the car park/pub incident.


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    #2946
    greenthum
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭greenthum


    Oceans One wrote: »
    Apparently Ryan’s crew tried to tax relations of the tiger kidnap gang close to big....that’s the fight in the car park, Ryan whooped ass, told him he’d be back to collect, knocked on a female relations door a few days later looking for a his few quid, didn’t get it but left with a threat and another tax demand to a sibling who was in the house at the time. He was dead not so long after.

    afaik this was the deciding factor


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    #2947
    greenthum
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭greenthum


    JM009 wrote: »
    Rumour goes Ryan threw a pint over MrBig too at the car park/pub incident.

    supposed to be lies


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    #2948
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    greenthum wrote: »
    supposed to be lies

    Pint was thrown in the face of guy he had fight with


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    #2949
    Syndic
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    JM009 wrote: »
    Sorry if already asked but is Patrick Lawlor related to Robbie?

    No, no relation.


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    #2950
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    greenthum wrote: »
    afaik this was the deciding factor

    Do you know of the sibling in the house at the time?


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    #2951
    greenthum
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭greenthum


    Oceans One wrote: »
    Do you know of the sibling in the house at the time?

    sister

    there was a threat made over the phone
    and that was ryan gone


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    #2952
    greenthum
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭greenthum


    Oceans One wrote: »
    Pint was thrown in the face of guy he had fight with

    ok thought u were saying ryan threw pint at big


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    #2953
    Paul_Crosby
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Oceans One wrote: »
    Pint was thrown in the face of guy he had fight with

    So the guy he battered in the fight an associate of Bigs?


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    #2954
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    greenthum wrote: »
    sister

    I heard the youngest male in family was also there? That’s what I was told. Which I was surprised with because he would have slaughtered Ryan very sharpishly, with his fists!


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    #2955
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,647 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Anyone watch the Scarcity documentary on Robbie Lawlors murder. Thought it would be a load of sh1te when I heard the Birmingham accent but its pretty decent at tying all the various strands of the feud together that ended up in Lawlors death. The lads that did it have done some really good research, much better than the Irish media


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPygq_d662I


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    #2956
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    Paul_Crosby wrote: »
    So the guy he battered in the fight an associate of Bigs?

    Yes


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    #2957
    greenthum
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭greenthum


    Oceans One wrote: »
    I heard the youngest male in family was also there? That’s what I was told. Which I was surprised with because he would have slaughtered Ryan very sharpishly, with his fists!

    dont think so. but i could be wrong
    just sister there. ryan rang big while there heard his sister gettin roughed up


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    #2958
    Paul_Crosby
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Anyone watch the Scarcity documentary on Robbie Lawlors murder. Thought it would be a load of sh1te when I heard the Birmingham accent but its pretty decent at tying all the various strands of the feud together that ended up in Lawlors death. The lads that did it have done some really good research, much better than the Irish media


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPygq_d662I

    He's not bad he clearly tries to do a lot of research before he states something, I'm sure he got some stuff wrong inevitably but it's funny seeing people in the comments giving him **** for getting stuff wrong which he actually got right

    one commenter said Noel Deans looks like Danny Dyer on crack and I have to say it is uncanny


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    #2959
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    greenthum wrote: »
    dont think so. but i could be wrong
    just sister there. ryan rang big while there heard his sister gettin roughed up

    Story I heard was that Ryan turned up and the mother of house answered, Ryan went in demanding and only came across youngest sibling (not thebro he was taxing). Ryan asked for his money and younger bro sitting in chair sniggered at him and told him to **** off and out of the house. Ryan told him to have x amount of € for the end of the week or else he’d be getting it aswell as other bro who Ryan had already beaten up in the car park.


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    #2960
    Paul_Crosby
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    The wee bro is handy then??


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    #2961
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    Paul_Crosby wrote: »
    The wee bro is handy then??

    He was anyway. Not sure now.
    He would have slaughtered Ryan easily.
    Think they were in the same school.


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    #2962
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    Oceans One wrote: »
    He was anyway. Not sure now.
    He would have slaughtered Ryan easily.
    Think they were in the same school.

    Surprised he didn’t slaughter him for entering the house!


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    #2963
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Anyone watch the Scarcity documentary on Robbie Lawlors murder. Thought it would be a load of sh1te when I heard the Birmingham accent but its pretty decent at tying all the various strands of the feud together that ended up in Lawlors death. The lads that did it have done some really good research, much better than the Irish media


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPygq_d662I

    Yea posted it up a few pages back, they are very good, There’s was another YT account but he couldn’t pronounce much but Scarcity put together a very good story timeline. If much of the information on here is true. Well worth the watch.


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    #2964
    greenthum
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭greenthum


    Oceans One wrote: »
    Story I heard was that Ryan turned up and the mother of house answered, Ryan went in demanding and only came across youngest sibling (not thebro he was taxing). Ryan asked for his money and younger bro sitting in chair sniggered at him and told him to **** off and out of the house. Ryan told him to have x amount of € for the end of the week or else he’d be getting it aswell as other bro who Ryan had already beaten up in the car park.

    ryan and his pal had pieces on them
    i personally woundnt of sniggered even though they were dicks
    you could be right. i was told this by someone very close to jg, though they’ve no reason to lie unless they dont know truth either
    its a mental life, even if ur under the radar


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    #2965
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    greenthum wrote: »
    ryan and his pal had pieces on them
    i personally woundnt of sniggered even though they were dicks
    you could be right. i was told this by someone very close to jg, though they’ve no reason to lie unless they dont know truth either
    its a mental life, even if ur under the radar

    After the car park fight and visit to the house. There was only one thing going to happen! And it did.


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    #2966
    greenthum
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭greenthum


    jb kb gb
    relations to rc
    previous convictions

    mean anything to anyone?

    just wondering if this is where retaliation could come from? towards cl for example


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    #2967
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,647 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Paul_Crosby wrote: »
    He's not bad he clearly tries to do a lot of research before he states something, I'm sure he got some stuff wrong inevitably but it's funny seeing people in the comments giving him **** for getting stuff wrong which he actually got right

    one commenter said Noel Deans looks like Danny Dyer on crack and I have to say it is uncanny

    yeah I thought the level of detail and research he put into it was impressive. Like I said when I heard the English accent I though what would this guy know about Irish gangland but hes done an excellent job on it. Its also good that he ties together all the players and who is allied to who, something you dont get when reading individual articles in the print media. It should be mandatory viewing for anyone coming on the thread asking basic questions.


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    #2968
    Bellend2020
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Bellend2020


    To be fair I hear Ryan was as hard as they came on the street. I am not familiar with the sibling so I cannot comment on that. Maybe big and his crew were questioning weather or not they should go for the kill at this point


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    #2969
    Steve94
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Steve94


    Was big behind the murders of both the Ryan brothers?


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    #2970
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭horsebox1977


    Paul_Crosby wrote: »
    It would seem highly likely that the Reals wanted rid of Ryan

    here is an interesting article

    https://www.thepensivequill.com/2016/03/dirty-money-and-river-of-blood.html

    "The meeting ended with the bag man receiving a severe beating at the door of the hotel. At this point Alan told the guy that he was a dead man and that all those with him were also dead men walking. At this point the former Provisional IRA O/C asked Alan if he was threatening him also. Alan explained that he was not. Alan Ryan lay dead within a few short weeks.

    A step too far had been taken. Former Provisional leaders within the Dublin brigade, who had long term relationships going back years with criminals based in both Ireland and Spain, had been challenged as they saw it by the new guys on the block and manners would have to be put on them. They had served their purpose over the previous ten years cleaning up, doing the dirty work and collecting money from cigarette deals. It was now time to dispense with them before they grew too strong."

    Whose bag man here?


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    #2971
    Oceans One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Oceans One


    Bellend2020 wrote: »
    To be fair I hear Ryan was as hard as they came on the street. I am not familiar with the sibling so I cannot comment on that. Maybe big and his crew were questioning weather or not they should go for the kill at this point

    Apparently Alan was handy but Anto, Vinny & Dermot were balls of fluff. The bro that Alan beat in car park was also a ball of fluff so he picked on an easy target there.
    It wasn’t big, it was tiger crew that decided


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