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Family member is an anti-vaxer

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  • #102
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Siobhan82 wrote: »
    I think there's enormous aomunt of emotions related to the topic and the truth lies in between the two.
    Vaccines saved many lives and continue to do so. That's a fact. Yet when some of the main vaccine suppliers happen to be the company that got a whooping 3 billion $ fine and plead guilty to criminal charges including falsifying safety data on some of their drugs then that's a breeding ground for variety of theories. Most of them are load of nonsense, but some raise valid questions that are not being answered as both sides of the dispute see the world in black and white and refuse to open their mind to the possibility that they may not be always 100% right...

    Same companies that make paracetamol, aspirin, antibiotics, anti virals, chemotherapy etc etc. Do you think we should be suspicious of all of those too?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?”



  • #103
    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Siobhan82 wrote: »
    Does every discussion over that subject has to be so confrontational? Where there is only yes / no answer? I was trying not to get into the details but rather to talk about the shape of the overall discussion.

    Because the answer is yes or no. Do they work or don't they. They work. They stop working when people stop taking them. It's the inherent principal to vaccination. Trying to broaden the discussion is the same as asking the guy onto TV to prove his flat earth theory. its really just giving stupid people a soapbox to broadcast their stupid to the world.
    Siobhan82 wrote: »
    The company I've mentioned is GSK and here are some of the links if you need to get into that in detail, but that was NOT the point of my post.
    I'm not allowed to post URL's so Google the Guardian /glaxosmithkline-fined-bribing-doctors-pharmaceuticals
    and BBC news /news/business-29274822

    Trying to link the hillbilly heroin epidemic in the US with vaccines is a stretch.
    Siobhan82 wrote: »
    I'm vaccinating my children if it's down to that.

    Then why bring up the questions? I know why. Because your official position in this community is to pretend to do one thing, while trying to sow seeds of distrust. Same as the OP, ohh he got some vaccinations. Oh my child is vaccinated but have you seen those big scary pharma companies out to screw you. It's us versus them.

    Siobhan82 wrote: »
    Also, I am not some sort of preacher who wants to convince anyone to anything, but since I was accused of malicious intent and manipulation I'd be more specific:
    The question that I find relevant and unanswered for example is the link between the presence of aluminium adjuvant in vaccines and increasing chances of food allergies.
    Here's some research papers:
    Article nr S1323893015313733 on sciencedirect com
    The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology (AAAAI) /ask-the-expert/alum-vaccines - at the end of the article you'll find all the references to the relevant research papers

    That's saying the use of aluminum salts as adjuvants in the use of allergy vaccines might cause some reactions and could be replaced with other known compounds in that case. Because it could cause a reaction like hives(Type I hypersensitivity). This is also 20 years old.
    Siobhan82 wrote: »
    Another is the existing law that allows to register a pharmaceutical product based on a registration from another EU country. So, for example, you can privately run all your tests and register the drug in Romania or Lativa and then here in Ireland we're obliged to accept that registration even if we might suspect that some parts of the process were compromised. That sort of regulations might create the impression that drug testing ex. new vaccine was not conducted in a trusted manner.

    In the odd or rare case this may happen, they leave themselves up to bankrupting lawsuits and we have systems in place in Europe to regulate this behaviour. And none of that relates to vaccines which have been floating around for 40+ years.


  • #104
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,232 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Siobhan82 wrote: »
    Does every discussion over that subject has to be so confrontational? Where there is only yes / no answer?


    The answer to that is a resounding YES.

    Vaccinations work.

    Anything else is lies.


  • #105
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Siobhan82 wrote: »
    I think there's enormous aomunt of emotions related to the topic and the truth lies in between the two.
    Vaccines saved many lives and continue to do so. That's a fact. Yet when some of the main vaccine suppliers happen to be the company that got a whooping 3 billion $ fine and plead guilty to criminal charges including falsifying safety data on some of their drugs then that's a breeding ground for variety of theories. Most of them are load of nonsense, but some raise valid questions that are not being answered as both sides of the dispute see the world in black and white and refuse to open their mind to the possibility that they may not be always 100% right...

    Each vaccine needs to be measured on it's own merits. Any issues with a vaccine should not lead us calling into dispute the process/concept of Vaccination. Oddly enough, a quick search of "Vaccine Scandal," doesn't bring up much other than expired vaccines used in China a couple of years ago. That's a logistics issue in 1 country, that's got a whole host of other issues.


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