Anyone hazard a guess for when the gyms will re-open

Alf Veedersane

rondog wrote: »

Wrong!Level 3 wasnt ENFORCED.

It wasn't working. The level of enforcement doesn't change that fact.

rondog wrote: »

I saw hoards of young lads roaming around in gangs.I saw videos of 2 traveller communions with 150/200 at each and not 1 mask at it.I saw students 200+ gathering together with zero social distancing.I could go on and on.

We were told they couldnt give guards authority to shut down house parties but now suddenly they can at level 5.

With the army and Gardaí combined, you have about 24,000 people. There are 49,000 cities, towns and villages in Ireland. There aren't the resources to enforce it like you're suggesting.

They won't really be in any better position to enforce level 5 than level 3. They are reliant on people following the guidelines.

rondog wrote: »

If we enforced ,like china and NZ did, we wouldnt be in a potential extra national lockdown for more than 6 weeks i can guarantee you that.

If we enforced like China, we'd be a very, very different country. One I doubt you'd want to live in.

rondog wrote: »

We have a clueless govt who collectively had no other solution that another lock down,the only country in europe with another one.

We will be entering one of the worst depressions seen in our economy in our lifetimes.

We may not be the last country to go into this level of lockdown. Who knows.

And I don't disagree it's the shíttiest of shít situations but we don't have the numbers to enforce anything.

There are the extreme examples of large gatherings of students or other events (numbers of cases in the Traveller community isn't high) but the reality is that they're not the major causes of community transmission. It's people not following the guidance. Having friends over. It happens all the time and under the radar. Very hard to enforce that.

For all the mistakes the government have made, there's a sizeable enough cohort that have decided the guidelines don't apply to them.

completedit

completedit wrote: »

I think I'll just use the time to get cardio fit. Some sort of pull up programme using my attic bannisters. It's honestly very grim

I did a nice bit of running in March and April but got sick of it. Will likely go back to a trot or three a week now for Oct/Nov and see how I get on.

Alf Veedersane

rondog wrote: »

That was Nephet who advised the lockdown.

And, as we have already seen, it's up to the government to decide if that is the best course of action.

Purely from a public health point of view, that level of suppression probably makes sense based on the modelling they have done. But the government weighs up everything affected by the lockdown.

Or they should.

rondog wrote: »

Leo and the govt could have balanced it out and realised that they will ruin the economy which they are.
We could have had the guards/army in and enforced guidelines at level 3 and we woudlnt be in this mess.
The fact that we are the only country in europe that had no other resolution but to lock down a whole country shows how pathetic NEPHET is and our spineless govt..

I'm not sure how many you think are in the army that there will suddenly be enough army and guards to enforce anything.

rondog wrote: »

Peope who say bringing the guards and army in is a police state ,really?what are we in now and probably for months to come.We will have checkpoints monitoring our movements,no bars,restaurants to go to, no Malls to buy things no outlet like gyms for the thousands of people who work from home and will have kids in the evenings so will cuase many to slip into depression.

Closing the whole country down when even the WHO advise against it shows how weak and pathetic nephet is that theur only solution is to push our ecomony to ruin with approx 200k people out of work.

China with 1 billion in population enforced strict lockdowns initially and look at them now basically back to normal wth a GDP growth of 4% for the last 3 months .

Again, you're blaming NPHET for the decisions of the government, which is what I was saying in my original reply. Varadkar even said that when he addressed the leaked letter about going to level 5 a fortnight ago:

Leo: "I have confidence in NPHET to dispense public health advice. That’s what they do. They don’t advise the public, they advise the Government and the Government decided."

But I wouldn't use China as an example of anything. What the world knows about China is what China wants the world to hear.

rondog

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

It wasn't working. The level of enforcement doesn't change that fact.



With the army and Gardaí combined, you have about 24,000 people. There are 49,000 cities, towns and villages in Ireland. There aren't the resources to enforce it like you're suggesting.

They won't really be in any better position to enforce level 5 than level 3. They are reliant on people following the guidelines.



If we enforced like China, we'd be a very, very different country. One I doubt you'd want to live in.



We may not be the last country to go into this level of lockdown. Who knows.

And I don't disagree it's the shíttiest of shít situations but we don't have the numbers to enforce anything.

There are the extreme examples of large gatherings of students or other events (numbers of cases in the Traveller community isn't high) but the reality is that they're not the major causes of community transmission. It's people not following the guidance. Having friends over. It happens all the time and under the radar. Very hard to enforce that.

For all the mistakes the government have made, there's a sizeable enough cohort that have decided the guidelines don't apply to them.

It could have worked but as i said it wasnt enforced.There are plenty of police in each area to drive around ,identify and shut down parties.If the public are as sick of lockdowns and restrictions as they say they are they could help out and identify parties and have them shut down.Id much rather responsible people tell on people having parties than rolling lockdowns for the next 2 years.

We also have an army and civil defence who are pretty idle at the moment who could enforce the new laws easily.CHina, Thailand, Vietnam and many other had strict enforcement of rules are now with neglible covic cases.

China not being a place i like to live?Strict adherence to the rules and now back to normal,pool parties with thousands enjoying themselves ,a booming economy set to take over the US in afew years,id absolutely like to live there as its a far better choice than this miserable hell wehave inthis country at the moment with Mass unemployment on the way and rolling lockdowns for the next 2/3 years.

As for travellers,its known there is a high incidence in the Rom and traveller community due to many generations living in close proximity to each other and many flouting the rules in the many reported cases of traveller funerals and communions with hundreds in attendance with no social distancing and many travelling from mainland UK.

eastie17

The original lockdown was to buy us time, except now we hear that we added additional ICU capacity but don't have the nurses to staff them. We have 200 nurses less in the system than we had last March!

We have front line workers who are close contacts self isolating in some cases for 14 days "just in case", I get why this is but there appears to be alot more known about the disease than there was at the beginning. Why haven't we changed that process?

Other countries have had success making masks mandatory at all times outside your home, we could have done this and put enforcement powers in law months ago. Why are they only now putting legislation through? They knew this was going to happen at some stage. Again, original lockdown was to buy us time and get ready for wave 2. Why couldn't we have done this?

We know enough about the numbers to state that schools aren't a significant infection vector - so do we know how it got back out of control again? If so are we now going to use this lockdown to put steps in place, legislation etc based on that data so we dont end up doing this every 6 weeks or so? It looks like they have no other plan but to do that, lock us down every time the numbers rise.

Similarly we must have the numbers on gyms - was there enough evidence to suggest enough of a significant infection vector to close them given the impact? I go to a crossfit gym who halved their maximum numbers, gave everyone a specific section and they are all cleaned down after each session. I'm working from home so it's literally the only reason to get out of the house during the week and provides a huge focus and mental release. I'm lucky enough to have the space to work out at home, but its soul destroying having to do it.

Last time, I get it, we had no option but to lockdown, the Government has failed us this time. Dont think any of us are surprised, its just really fecken annoying and disappointing that they cant offer anything except the bankrupting tactic of lockdown, open up, lockdown etc.

And finally, what are they doing about prepping for vaccine distribution? Other countries have release their plans, not a whisper here. Pfizer believe they will have something to distribute by the end of November - we will get some of the EU purchased batch. What are we going to do, wait until they are in Dublin airport before doing anything?
Its not a trivial activity - its requires cold storage supply chain and 2 shots, if we haven't starting planning now we are already too late.

Alf Veedersane

rondog wrote: »

It could have worked but as i said it wasnt enforced.There are plenty of police in each area to drive around ,identify and shut down parties.

There aren't. There aren't enough to police on a day-to-day basis as it is.

And how do you identify a dinner party? No loud noise but a number of people from different households.

rondog wrote: »

China not being a place i like to live?Strict adherence to the rules and now back to normal,pool parties with thousands enjoying themselves ,a booming economy set to take over the US in afew years,id absolutely like to live there as its a far better choice than this miserable hell wehave inthis country at the moment with Mass unemployment on the way and rolling lockdowns for the next 2/3 years.

Yeah, China is a big pool party and everyone is happy.

rondog wrote: »

As for travellers,its known there is a high incidence in the Rom and traveller community due to many generations living in close proximity to each other and many flouting the rules in the many reported cases of traveller funerals and communions with hundreds in attendance with no social distancing and many travelling from mainland UK.

Less than 250 total cases in the Traveller community and less than 90 from the Roma community as of the 10th of October.

rondog

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

There aren't. There aren't enough to police on a day-to-day basis as it is.

And how do you identify a dinner party? No loud noise but a number of people from different households.



Yeah, China is a big pool party and everyone is happy.



Less than 250 total cases in the Traveller community and less than 90 from the Roma community as of the 10th of October.

Youve missed my point twice about civil defence and the army which many countries have employed with great success.If we are serious about suppressing and keeping the virus under control these are things we need to do.ANyone that says ah sure its a police state ,really?and what are we living in and will be living in for years to come?

A friend lives in Beijing and another in Guandong and by all accounts i hear its a fantastic place if you mind your business and remain apolitical which the vast majority of foriegners do.

Obviously you cant identify every party but if the population buy in and if people are serious about not letting this country get ruined then its not hard to notice gangs of non residents entering a house and cars parked outside.

I have much bigger numbers than that for travellers but cant seem to post a link.Ill try on anohter post

Alf Veedersane

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

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Less than 250 total cases in the Traveller community and less than 90 from the Roma community as of the 10th of October.

And how many don't get tested when identified as close contacts? How many don't present themselves with symptoms?

rondog

eastie17 wrote: »

And finally, what are they doing about prepping for vaccine distribution? Other countries have release their plans, not a whisper here. Pfizer believe they will have something to distribute by the end of November - we will get some of the EU purchased batch. What are we going to do, wait until they are in Dublin airport before doing anything?
Its not a trivial activity - its requires cold storage supply chain and 2 shots, if we haven't starting planning now we are already too late.

Agreed! but i worry about getting people vaccinated.Any online posts are of people stating they wont give any vaccine to their families,we have the anti vaxxer brigade stiring up conspiracy theories and turning many against vaccines.

I cant see many getting vaccinated so i dont think it will be a silver bullet.Unfortunately i see misery and gloom and this incompentent moronic govt just taking the easy measure and panicing with cycles of lockdown...i hope im wrong.

rondog

Augeo wrote: »

And how many don't get tested when identified as close contacts? How many don't present themselves with symptoms?

I would suggest it FAR higher than that.Considering the amount of communions,funerals and travellers gathering with huge numbers id say its much higher.

ALso,considering guards dont seem to be shutting any of them down as we will hear the race card and pavvee point complaining about its only a minority

Alf Veedersane

Augeo wrote: »

And how many don't get tested when identified as close contacts? How many don't present themselves with symptoms?

25% is the overall number of people not turning up when identified as close contacts.

I don't think, with 250 confirmed cases out of 51,000 confirmed cases, that Travellers are a significant problem.

eastie17

eastie17 wrote: »

...............

And finally, what are they doing about prepping for vaccine distribution? Other countries have release their plans, not a whisper here. Pfizer believe they will have something to distribute by the end of November - we will get some of the EU purchased batch. What are we going to do, wait until they are in Dublin airport before doing anything?
Its not a trivial activity - its requires cold storage supply chain and 2 shots, if we haven't starting planning now we are already too late.

A phase 3 for a vaccine usually takes about 2 years ....... I can't fathom how anyone reckons there'll be anything to distribute in November.
Pfizer are potentially looking for emergency authorisation in mid November...... I'm not sure emergency authorisation will lead to widespread distribution tbh .... it will be proven to be safe by then but the efficacy will be a huge question mark.

Pfizer CEO "assuming positive data, Pfizer will apply for Emergency Authorization Use in the U.S. soon after the safety milestone is achieved in the third week of November" ............ J&J's trial initially mentioned monitoring the 60,000 participants for 2 years to gauge efficacy.

Funny old world tbh.

Alf Veedersane

rondog wrote: »

Youve missed my point twice about civil defence and the army which many countries have employed with great success.

I didn't. I addressed it the first time but maybe you missed it.

With the army and Gardaí combined, you have about 24,000 people. There are 49,000 cities, towns and villages in Ireland. There aren't the resources to enforce it like you're suggesting.

The civil defence support frontline emergency services. They have no place in enforcement.

rondog wrote: »

If we are serious about suppressing and keeping the virus under control these are things we need to do.

I'm not saying we shouldn't. I'm saying it just isn't realistic to think that the level of enforcement you have in mind can happen even if you dedicate the Gardaí and the army entirely to its enforcement.

rondog wrote: »

Obviously you cant identify every party but if the population buy in and if people are serious about not letting this country get ruined then its not hard to notice gangs of non residents entering a house and cars parked outside.

It doesn't have to be gangs of people. That's the problem. 3 couple go to a dinner party in someone's house. 7/8 people would likely fly under the radar. One of them has it, you're probably ending up with it in 3 of the 4 houses. They head over to a friends because they're just one household mixing with another and how bad can it be. Etc etc. People are causing spread through activities they can justify as being more or less within the spirit of the guidelines.

The guards were called on a neighbouring party that had at least 20 people at it about 2 week ago and they arrived 15 minutes later and broke it up. If anyone had it then, it was still being spread by the time it was broken up.

The point I'm making is it is very difficult and nigh on impossible to enforce. By all means throw the resources that they can at enforcing but I can't help but feel it would be like pissing in the wind.

As poor as the decisions that have been made thus far have been, I'm more píssed off by the people who can't be arsed adhering to the guidance (who usually then complain about them being increased).

Alf Veedersane

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

..............


It doesn't have to be gangs of people. That's the problem. 3 couple go to a dinner party in someone's house. 7/8 people would likely fly under the radar. One of them has it, you're probably ending up with it in 3 of the 4 houses. They head over to a friends because they're just one household mixing with another and how bad can it be. Etc etc. People are causing spread through activities they can justify as being more or less within the spirit of the guidelines...........

The point I'm making is it is very difficult and nigh on impossible to enforce. By all means throw the resources that they can at enforcing but I can't help but feel it would be like pissing in the wind.

As poor as the decisions that have been made thus far have been, I'm more píssed off by the people who can't be arsed adhering to the guidance (who usually then complain about them being increased).

I suspect and fear the activities you describe are both causing the problem and won't stop with level 5 for 6 weeks, if anything such activity may well increase.

rondog

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I didn't. I addressed it the first time but maybe you missed it.



The civil defence support frontline emergency services. They have no place in enforcement.



I'm not saying we shouldn't. I'm saying it just isn't realistic to think that the level of enforcement you have in mind can happen even if you dedicate the Gardaí and the army entirely to its enforcement.



It doesn't have to be gangs of people. That's the problem. 3 couple go to a dinner party in someone's house. 7/8 people would likely fly under the radar. One of them has it, you're probably ending up with it in 3 of the 4 houses. They head over to a friends because they're just one household mixing with another and how bad can it be. Etc etc. People are causing spread through activities they can justify as being more or less within the spirit of the guidelines.

The guards were called on a neighbouring party that had at least 20 people at it about 2 week ago and they arrived 15 minutes later and broke it up. If anyone had it then, it was still being spread by the time it was broken up.

The point I'm making is it is very difficult and nigh on impossible to enforce. By all means throw the resources that they can at enforcing but I can't help but feel it would be like pissing in the wind.

As poor as the decisions that have been made thus far have been, I'm more píssed off by the people who can't be arsed adhering to the guidance (who usually then complain about them being increased).

I dont think you acknowledged my comment on the army or civil defence.And powers of arrest can be given to civil defence.
With all 3 we can easily police and make arrests .obivously some house parties will slip thru the net but the vast majority where there is massive number would be shut down and if there is a deterrent like they have in the UK with massive fines i think we can easily win that battle.By throwing your hands up and saying it wont work its such a defeatist attitude and the main reason a successful level 3 wasnt implemented.You have this idea of some underground parties going on when the reality is most parties were clearly evident ie the mass street parties in west dublin(one of the areas with highest indicidence of covid),the traveller communions with over 150 people,the traveller funeral with 130 people at many coming from the UK,the student parites of which there are MANY all across the country.These are the parties that can be shut down and quite easily too with powers given

With your opinion this country should stay locked down at level 5 and in misery as we cannot trust the IRish to follow guidelines ,so in effect no return to level 3 so we may aswell forget about xmas and any future that is.

Alf Veedersane

rondog wrote: »

I dont think you acknowledged my comment on the army or civil defence.And powers of arrest can be given to civil defence.

I referred to them as I already quoted. Here and here .

You evidently don't understand what exactly the civil defence is.

rondog wrote: »

By throwing your hands up and saying it wont work its such a defeatist attitude and the main reason a successful level 3 wasnt implemented.You have this idea of some underground parties going on when the reality is most parties were clearly evident ie the mass street parties in west dublin(one of the areas with highest indicidence of covid),the traveller communions with over 150 people,the traveller funeral with 130 people at many coming from the UK,the student parites of which there are MANY all across the country.These are the parties that can be shut down and quite easily too with powers given

With your opinion this country should stay locked down at level 5 and in misery as we cannot trust the IRish to follow guidelines ,so in effect no return to level 3 so we may aswell forget about xmas and any future that is.

You're either misreading or misrepresenting what I said and then making up something I didn't say so I'll leave you to it.

Cill94

rondog wrote: »

A friend lives in Beijing and another in Guandong and by all accounts i hear its a fantastic place if you mind your business and remain apolitical which the vast majority of foriegners do.

I suspect your friend is a westerner, and is probably having a different experience to a native. Same is true for people who visit Cuba.

China is a communist dictatorship, with a very different set of beliefs around human rights, censorship, etc. Anyone who is believing their spin on their handling of COVID is being naiive at best imo.

JayRoc

rondog wrote: »

It could have worked but as i said it wasnt enforced.There are plenty of police in each area to drive around ,identify and shut down parties.If the public are as sick of lockdowns and restrictions as they say they are they could help out and identify parties and have them shut down.Id much rather responsible people tell on people having parties than rolling lockdowns for the next 2 years.

We also have an army and civil defence who are pretty idle at the moment who could enforce the new laws easily.CHina, Thailand, Vietnam and many other had strict enforcement of rules are now with neglible covic cases.

China not being a place i like to live?Strict adherence to the rules and now back to normal,pool parties with thousands enjoying themselves ,a booming economy set to take over the US in afew years,id absolutely like to live there as its a far better choice than this miserable hell wehave inthis country at the moment with Mass unemployment on the way and rolling lockdowns for the next 2/3 years.

As for travellers,its known there is a high incidence in the Rom and traveller community due to many generations living in close proximity to each other and many flouting the rules in the many reported cases of traveller funerals and communions with hundreds in attendance with no social distancing and many travelling from mainland UK.

No one should be holding China up as an ideal of how to run a society. And I say that as someone who is unemployed again because of these restrictions.

silverharp

JayRoc wrote: »

No one should be holding China up as an ideal of how to run a society. And I say that as someone who is unemployed again because of these restrictions.

whats wrong with China apart from their Uighur concentration camps, live organ donation markets, fentanyl exporting, IP stealing CCP dictatorship?

FlubberJones

Last session in the gym tomorrow morning for at least 4-6 weeks... Ben Dunne in Cherrywood, a cavernous gym with hardly more than 25 people training the majority of the daytime.

I'm not really arsed to train but will go just to appreciate the place and remind me the gym will open again... Once the fools in charge realise the benefits of these places and the hard work the people who own and run them have put in to make them safer.

Vital Transformation

Westside Gym in Dublin is going to defy the restrictions. More detail in the instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGkmte9A5Kv/

faceman

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Westside Gym in Dublin is going to defy the restrictions. More detail in the instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGkmte9A5Kv/

Fair play but it will last a few hours and that'll be it. Unless other business rally together its futile sadly.

The gym will be sorely missed, it was one thing keep many of us afloat

JeffKenna

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Westside Gym in Dublin is going to defy the restrictions. More detail in the instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGkmte9A5Kv/

Fair play to them but unfortunately with the upcoming fines anyone in a gym will be an easy target for the guards.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Westside Gym in Dublin is going to defy the restrictions. More detail in the instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGkmte9A5Kv/

Fair play to them. Gyms should be on the essential list.

Eoinbmw

Fair play to them and as of now there are no fines!
I mean they are allowing greyhound abuse i mean racing to take place but not health and fitness in a controlled environment???

An Ri rua

faceman wrote: »

Fair play but it will last a few hours and that'll be it. Unless other business rally together its futile sadly.

The gym will be "sorely missed", it was one thing keep many of us afloat

Have you tried an Epsom salts bath?

VonLuck

I'm surprised to see a lot of you say "fair play to them". I'm not in favour of the extent of restrictions, but if we start a trend of people fighting back against them then who knows what it will lead to.

Black Sheep

It seems a gym in Dublin 15 is saying they won’t be closing, according to a post they made on Instagram.

This will be interesting.

Kamu

I missed my gym slot this morning as the bus came 5 mins early. Oh well, it's been a disappointing year as it it.

My plan for the next 6 weeks:

Run three times a week,
Push-ups, goblet squats with my 24kg kettlebell, One arm row with kettlebell, crunch/situps.

Can't really think of anything else, might pickup a 10kg kettlebell and do some arm and shoulder work?

VonLuck

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm surprised to see a lot of you say "fair play to them". I'm not in favour of the extent of restrictions, but if we start a trend of people fighting back against them then who knows what it will lead to.

Indeed, smell of yellow vest brigade off it. It's because of gnomes not following restrictions that we are at level 5 ............. following in their footsteps helps no one.

Looks like an economic decision rather than a mental health one "We would not be in a position to freeze memberships again for a second time.
Therefore, the show must go on." .......... regardless the show won't be going on for long.
Putting members in a bad spot really, they can't attend the gym (if they follow guidelines) but the gym are staying open and not freezing their memberships......... the lad seems a total tw@t IMO.

el Fenomeno

Pointless PR stunt. They'll be closed within a few hours of opening tomorrow and they know it.

The cynic in me says it's a ploy to get their name out there for more customers once they do reopen.

el Fenomeno

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Pointless PR stunt. They'll be closed within a few hours of opening tomorrow and they know it.

Hopefully they'll be in a position to freeze memberships tomorrow, they claim that's the issue also.

silverharp

Kamu wrote: »

I missed my gym slot this morning as the bus came 5 mins early. Oh well, it's been a disappointing year as it it.

My plan for the next 6 weeks:

Run three times a week,
Push-ups, goblet squats with my 24kg kettlebell, One arm row with kettlebell, crunch/situps.

Can't really think of anything else, might pickup a 10kg kettlebell and do some arm and shoulder work?

There was one push-up variation I did back in April , a towel push-up, you just need some kind smooth surface. An absolute killer

Alf Veedersane

Kamu wrote: »

I missed my gym slot this morning as the bus came 5 mins early. Oh well, it's been a disappointing year as it it.

My plan for the next 6 weeks:

Run three times a week,
Push-ups, goblet squats with my 24kg kettlebell, One arm row with kettlebell, crunch/situps.

Can't really think of anything else, might pickup a 10kg kettlebell and do some arm and shoulder work?

If you can get something like two books the same thickness to put your hands on for push ups, then you can get a greater range of motion, i.e. go lower than normal. Same idea as using push-up handles. You can use tempo and longer pauses at the bottom to make it harder. There's a few different variations you can cycle through along with just increasing reps on straight push ups.

Lunges and Bulgarian split squats with the kettlebell. Single leg work is great.

Similarly, use it for singe-leg RDLs.

You could also get a couple of bands and do some arm and shoulder work and they're really versatile so you could get a lot out of them.

Just a couple of quick ideas.

Cill94

Black Sheep wrote: »

It seems a gym in Dublin 15 is saying they won’t be closing, according to a post they made on Instagram.

This will be interesting.

I'm on a Facebook page for Irish fitness pros, and there are actually quite a few people on there who are claiming they won't be closing their doors.

It makes sense if your business is about to go under. Depending on what the fines are.

In Liverpool, a group of gyms banded together and have managed to get themselves listed as essential services. Will be interesting to see if same could happen here.

faceman

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, smell of yellow vest brigade off it. It's because of gnomes not following restrictions that we are at level 5 ............. following in their footsteps helps no one.

Looks like an economic decision rather than a mental health one "We would not be in a position to freeze memberships again for a second time.
Therefore, the show must go on." .......... regardless the show won't be going on for long.
Putting members in a bad spot really, they can't attend the gym (if they follow guidelines) but the gym are staying open and not freezing their memberships......... the lad seems a total tw@t IMO.

Maybe it’s a mix of all those things and what’s wrong with that? Gyms and other businesses being closed for 6 months with no reprieve on rent and leases is hardly a sustainable business model. It’s not like they’re are trying to get greedy. They’re trying to survive.

shmeee

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Westside Gym in Dublin is going to defy the restrictions. More detail in the instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGkmte9A5Kv/

WTF like.

Won't last pissing time.

Cop on and do what 99.9% of GYMS are doing and closing their doors.

Cill94

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Pointless PR stunt. They'll be closed within a few hours of opening tomorrow and they know it.

The cynic in me says it's a ploy to get their name out there for more customers once they do reopen.

Think you're underestimating how many gyms won't survive this next lockdown.

rondog

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm surprised to see a lot of you say "fair play to them". I'm not in favour of the extent of restrictions, but if we start a trend of people fighting back against them then who knows what it will lead to.

Why should we not fight back?These restrictions dont work even the WHO say it.

Govt say they are following the science but they clearly arent.Its known there are no known outbreaks in gyms and the mental and physical health benefits are enormous.

By the Govts own admission many outbreaks were in homes so we should be policing neighbourshoods as ive stated before and depending on peoples help.

Now the Govt have decided to fine people attending or organising house parties,if they did that in level 3 we wouldnt have been in this mess.

Thierry12

shmeee wrote: »

WTF like.

Won't last pissing time.

Cop on and do what 99.9% of GYMS are doing and closing their doors.

Why should they close?

If they enforce mask wearing

No more danger than Tesco

Starlord_01

Fair play to any gym staying open. Show some scientific evidence to back up why they should be closed first.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/gyms-liverpool-city-region-reopen-19139097

Eoinbmw

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, smell of yellow vest brigade off it. It's because of gnomes not following restrictions that we are at level 5 ............. following in their footsteps helps no one.

Looks like an economic decision rather than a mental health one "We would not be in a position to freeze memberships again for a second time.
Therefore, the show must go on." .......... regardless the show won't be going on for long.
Putting members in a bad spot really, they can't attend the gym (if they follow guidelines) but the gym are staying open and not freezing their memberships......... the lad seems a total tw@t IMO.

Hardly now businesses are struggling badly easy to talk from the comfort of a work from home job or state funded job etc the self employed are getting ****ed over of course the virus is real but from my experience gyms have been very safe environments and closing them has been a complete over reaction and actualy will end up doing more harm than good!

billybonkers

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-54627352

Liverpool allowing gyms to open!

paw patrol

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm surprised to see a lot of you say "fair play to them". I'm not in favour of the extent of restrictions, but if we start a trend of people fighting back against them then who knows what it will lead to.

It will lead to winning , hopefully

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, smell of yellow vest brigade off it. It's because of gnomes not following restrictions that we are at level 5 ............. following in their footsteps helps no one.

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that's the spirit :rolleyes:, do what they tell us so they might let us do nice things
grow a spine ffs.


and well done on throwing in the baseless slur, why not call they the nazi party too while you are at it.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, smell of yellow vest brigade off it. It's because of gnomes not following restrictions that we are at level 5 ............. following in their footsteps helps no one.

Looks like an economic decision rather than a mental health one "We would not be in a position to freeze memberships again for a second time.
Therefore, the show must go on." .......... regardless the show won't be going on for long.
Putting members in a bad spot really, they can't attend the gym (if they follow guidelines) but the gym are staying open and not freezing their memberships......... the lad seems a total tw@t IMO.

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Hardly now businesses are struggling badly easy to talk from the comfort of a work from home job or state funded job etc the self employed are getting ****ed over of course the virus is real but from my experience gyms have been very safe environments and closing them has been a complete over reaction and actualy will end up doing more harm than good!

I'm self employed, not in a WFH job and not state funded.

The insta post said they aren't in a position to freeze memberships again and so are staying open, as I dsaid that fncks over all their members.

Thierry12

Starlord_01 wrote: »

Fair play to any gym staying open. Show some scientific evidence to back up why they should be closed first.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/gyms-liverpool-city-region-reopen-19139097

Yeah its gone far enough now

Watching the news and seeing those 4 babies die in Australia because of travel restrictions has been it for me

None of it is science based anymore

My gym has enforced mask wearing since June/July

How can it be unsafer than Tesco

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

It will lead to winning , hopefully





that's the spirit :rolleyes:, do what they tell us so they might let us do nice things
grow a spine ffs.


and well done on throwing in the baseless slur, why not call they the nazi party too while you are at it.

I've plenty spine ....... grow your own... baseless slur me hole....... "We would not be in a position to freeze memberships again for a second time.
Therefore, the show must go on." It's in black and white ffs.

The reason we are at level 5 is because folk didn't do what they were told for the last 3/4 months.

shmeee

Thierry12 wrote: »

Why should they close?

If they enforce mask wearing

No more danger than Tesco

Ah ya, wearing a mask while doing a high intensity work out..... That will work! Not.

Why should barbers close?
Why should outdoor dining at a restaurant close?
Why should churches close?
Why should clothes shops close?
Why should car sales show rooms close?

We could go on and on....

You can say the same about all the above.

I've credits on an account for a GYM which will probably lapse, but I'll just go with it and agree. And hopefully they can get their doors back open in 6 weeks an maybe even sooner if we can get our high R number down.

There is something in the fitness community that stinks of entitlement!

No one wants the gyms to close but no one wants any business to close.
Westside shall be closing tomorrow I expect.

paw patrol

Augeo wrote: »

I've plenty spine ....... grow your own... baseless slur me hole....... "We would not be in a position to freeze memberships again for a second time.
Therefore, the show must go on." It's in black and white ffs.

The reason we are at level 5 is because folk didn't do what they were told for the last 3/4 months.

you've no idea of their motivation but labelled them with a political movement. that's baseless.


I have a spine thanks, i don't need the man on the telly to tell me where I can go and who I can see.

Augeo wrote: »

The reason we are at level 5 is because folk didn't do what they were told for the last 3/4 months.

:pac:

be good santa might get you a whopper present.