Boris Johnson out of hospital 12/04

TheCitizen

meeeeh wrote: »

They didn't have much choice did they?

You can blame people for being stupid or you can consider the possibility that alternative was unelectable.

Johnson should have been unelectable. They voted for him on the slogan Get Brexit Done.

Lefty Bicek

TheCitizen wrote: »

https://harrypaterson.com/2020/04/07/boris-johnson-a-life-less-honourable/

Good article from journalist and author Harry Paterson on that idiot Johnson.

Good article, just because it chimes with your indignation ?

Nah, just indulgent, emotive tripe.

Badly written too.

anewme

lozenges wrote: »

Is it me you're referring to?
If so, you asked a question, I answered.
Apologies if I have somehow offended you by doing so.

It is and the reason I did not reply was that I realise you meant no offence, so no apology necessary.

It read as if you felt a family of a person in a care home might not know what is entailed in a do not resuscitate clause in a patients care plan. It is something that is discussed from Day 1 and reviewed quarterly and signed off by both the designated carer and those responsible for the patient.

I believe my family member has every right to receive the same treatment as any other person fighting this virus; this is based on me feeling I am doing what is in my parents' interest- hence my question was how to ensure they get best possible treatment and are not passed over.

TheCitizen

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Good article, just because it chimes with your indignation ?

Nah, just indulgent, emotive tripe.

Badly written too.

What’s wrong, the truth hurts? Are you a Johnson fanboy?

kilkenny31

Interesting article on sky news giving the outcomes of people who are admitted to ICU. Apparently if they aren't ventilated within the first 24hrs they have a greater than 80% chance of survival.

The chan chan man

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Interesting article on sky news giving the outcomes of people who are admitted to ICU. Apparently if they aren't ventilated within the first 24hrs they have a greater than 80% chance of survival.

Aren’t ventilated within 24 hours they’ve a better chance? Surely that’s a typo?

meeeeh

The chan chan man wrote: »

Aren’t ventilated within 24 hours they’ve a better chance? Surely that’s a typo?

It means they are in icu before the situation is critical. Patients get needed care a bit earlier and that helps with recovery. Only possible if you have enough icu beds.

Spanish Eyes

I feel for BJ and his family etc. I wish him well, who wouldn't?

What has me puzzled is the fact that he is in ICU but apparently does not require ventilation, nor has he pneumonia, just getting oxygen therapy.

What are ICU beds for? Maybe it is a precaution but surely if he (as reported) does not need full on ICU care right now, I wonder why he is not in a side room.

Sorry if I sound heartless. But I can't figure it out myself. Still wish him well.

Cork Boy 53

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I feel for BJ and his family etc. I wish him well, who wouldn't?

What has me puzzled is the fact that he is in ICU but apparently does not require ventilation, nor has he pneumonia, just getting oxygen therapy.

What are ICU beds for? Maybe it is a precaution but surely if he (as reported) does not need full on ICU care right now, I wonder why he is not in a side room.

Sorry if I sound heartless. But I can't figure it out myself. Still wish him well.

He`s the PM of the UK not your average Joe Bloggs. He is getting special treatment.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

mloc123 wrote: »

UK are already not ventilating people with a number of existing conditions. It might be that they had capacity bit chose not to use it. There was a case in the north where a woman was asked to sign a DNR before being admitted.

Doesn’t everyone who signs a DNR have to be asked first?

The dialogue around DNRs can be dishonest. I want to sign one but I don’t know if they are even available in Ireland. But it seems to me that in broaching the subject with somebody, they eventually will be asked if they want to sign one. They don’t have to say yes. But asking is part of the process. They are framed often as dastardly but they can make a great deal of sense. For example, if your survival chances are basically nil, do you want aggressive interventions that likely will barely prolong your life?

fryup

It's hardly a PR stunt by bold Boris is it? to get the message out - stay indoors

or is it just my cynical mind?

sydthebeat

fryup wrote: »

It's hardly a PR stunt by bold Boris is it? to get the message out - stay indoors

or is it just my cynical mind?

Cynical is probably a soft word for it..

Bob24

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I feel for BJ and his family etc. I wish him well, who wouldn't?

What has me puzzled is the fact that he is in ICU but apparently does not require ventilation, nor has he pneumonia, just getting oxygen therapy.

What are ICU beds for? Maybe it is a precaution but surely if he (as reported) does not need full on ICU care right now, I wonder why he is not in a side room.

Sorry if I sound heartless. But I can't figure it out myself. Still wish him well.

It is interesting to notice they only told us what he doesn’t have (no pneumonia, no ventilation), but haven’t told us anything about what he has.

They also said his condition is “stable” but again it doesn’t tell us anything as they hadn’t given any clear information about what it was before (It could be that he was felling well yesterday and still is today, or that he was critical yesterday and still is today).

So he could be in critical condition (with something which isn’t pneumonia), without the press releases technically being lies.

IMO: if he is in ICU there is probably something fairly severe about his condition (he wouldn’t have been taken there for no reason), and we don’t know exactly what it is because the updates which were issued were carefully worded to sound positive without actually telling us what his condition is.

callaway92

fryup wrote: »

It's hardly a PR stunt by bold Boris is it? to get the message out - stay indoors

or is it just my cynical mind?

Not cynical..

Is a very, very weird and worrying thing for a person to be thinking however.

kevcos

fryup wrote: »

It's hardly a PR stunt by bold Boris is it? to get the message out - stay indoors

or is it just my cynical mind?

Well stunt or not it has hit home the message to stay indoors to many in the UK who were acting blase.

Bob24

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

He`s the PM of the UK not your average Joe Bloggs. He is getting special treatment.

Not doubt he is getting the absolute best care the country can offer.

But still, there is no point moving him to an ICU (and telling everyone about it) if there isn’t actually something critical about his condition.

anewme

fryup wrote: »

It's hardly a PR stunt by bold Boris is it? to get the message out - stay indoors

or is it just my cynical mind?

Anyone with any sense of basic cop on and EQ would be able to see from the photos at the time he was clearly very ill and struggling. Very distressing to see.

kevcos

anewme wrote: »

Anyone with any sense of basic cop on and EQ would be able to see from the photos at the time he was clearly very ill and struggling. Very distressing to see.

EQ eh..

coastwatch

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I feel for BJ and his family etc. I wish him well, who wouldn't?

What has me puzzled is the fact that he is in ICU but apparently does not require ventilation, nor has he pneumonia, just getting oxygen therapy.

What are ICU beds for? Maybe it is a precaution but surely if he (as reported) does not need full on ICU care right now, I wonder why he is not in a side room.

Sorry if I sound heartless. But I can't figure it out myself. Still wish him well.

In ICU for monitoring of critical stats, including blood oxygen levels.
Very informative interview with an NHS Intensive Care Consultant on Drivetime today,
Starts at 3mins in.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/11177611

Princess Calla

fryup wrote: »

It's hardly a PR stunt by bold Boris is it? to get the message out - stay indoors

or is it just my cynical mind?

No, I'd say if they wanted a pr stunt, to get the public to take it seriously, they would have used a member of the royal family.... Everyone kinda likes them and they don't need to be in the public eye everyday.

Boris thrives on attention I can't see him giving it up for a stunt.

anewme

kevcos wrote: »

EQ eh..

Please elaborate. Your point is not clear.

kilkenny31

Bob24 wrote: »

It is interesting to notice they only told us what he doesn’t have (no pneumonia, no ventilation), but haven’t told us anything about what he has.

They also said his condition is “stable” but again it doesn’t tell us anything as they hadn’t given any clear information about what it was before (It could be that he was felling well yesterday and still is today, or that he was critical yesterday and still is today).

So he could be in critical condition (with something which isn’t pneumonia), without the press releases technically being lies.

IMO: if he is in ICU there is probably something fairly severe about his condition (it wouldn’t have been taken there for no reason), and we don’t know exactly what it is because the updates which were issued were carefully worded to sound positive without actually telling us what his condition is.

I personally think he got special treatment because of his position which I feel is wrong. I'd imagine he will be out of ICU tomorrow or the day after.

Spanish Eyes

coastwatch wrote: »

In ICU for monitoring of critical stats, including blood oxygen levels.
Very informative interview with an NHS Intensive Care Consultant on Drivetime today,
Starts at 3mins in.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/11177611

Thanks for that link. The consultant was very clear in what he described.

However, (sorry), I thought constant monitoring is in a High Dependancy Unit. Doc not asked to clarify that. Maybe it doesn't matter at the moment..

Esel

anewme wrote: »

Please elaborate. Your point is not clear.

They may be unsure what EQ means.

deathbomber

Esel wrote: »

They may be unsure what EQ means.

IQ

anewme

deathbomber wrote: »

IQ

No.

JoChervil

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52193264

From this article:
"Coronavirus can attack the lungs and it appears that the PM is now having difficulties with his breathing, although he is not yet on a ventilator machine for this.
...
Not every patient in ICU with coronavirus will need a ventilator to take over the job of breathing.
Some may be put on a breathing support machine called CPAP (continuous positive airway pressure) that uses mild pressure to push oxygen into the airways via a mask.
...
St Thomas' has experience in treating coronavirus patients in its ICU. For extremely serious cases it can use a life support machine called ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation) which replaces some of the function of the heart and lungs. There are only a handful of these machines around the country."

AllForIt

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I personally think he got special treatment because of his position which I feel is wrong. I'd imagine he will be out of ICU tomorrow or the day after.

I told yiz the socialists would rear their ugly heads.

tuxy

Princess Calla wrote: »

No, I'd say if they wanted a pr stunt, to get the public to take it seriously, they would have used a member of the royal family.... Everyone kinda likes them and they don't need to be in the public eye everyday.

Boris thrives on attention I can't see him giving it up for a stunt.

And he was progressively getting worse in the videos he had been releasing.
He's not that good at acting.

JeffKenna

Esel wrote: »

They may be unsure what EQ means.

Everyone knows it stands for equalization, the electronic balancing of sound frequencies on audio recording equipment.