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Boris Johnson out of hospital 12/04

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    #92
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I'm saying if staff are triaging fairly, based on his medical outlook he may find himself managed out by the health service, which his party have gradually privatised more and more of down the years to the point that it's unrecognisable as a medical provider in the face of this pandemic. In which case he would be an unfortunate victim of circumstances of his own design. I'd rather nobody died from this virus.

    You suggested that staff would neglect a patient based on personal feelings. That’s a disgusting slur against the professional carers. You’re back peddling now because you didn’t get the response you were expecting. At least own your wickedness.


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    #93
    [Deleted User]
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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    That grapevine being Karens on Twitter who have a friend in the NHS?

    Not on Twitter. Don't know who Karen is.


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    #94
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I'm saying if staff are triaging fairly, based on his medical outlook he may find himself managed out by the health service, which his party have gradually privatised more and more of down the years to the point that it's unrecognisable as a medical provider in the face of this pandemic. In which case he would be an unfortunate victim of circumstances of his own design. I'd rather nobody died from this virus.

    That “privatisation” thing started under Labour.
    All it is , is about out sourcing support functionality to the private sector , thus allowing more NHS staff to be frontline.

    The NHS dont build their own ambulances do they?


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    #95
    Better Than Christ
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Could it be that as he's the PM they have in fact put him in there lightly? Who knows.

    Nothing about the man's 'robust' public persona suggests that he'd be put into an intensive care unit unless it was absolutely necessary. Quite apart from that, think about the optics - imagine him unnecessarily taking up a space in an already stretched system, fully conscious and lying 'near' a ventilator that someone else desperately needs.


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    #96
    Loafing Oaf
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    bfa1509 wrote: »
    Not looking good. I doubt they admit people to ICU "as a precaution" even if they are the PM.

    Maybe they feel more comfortable having him in there if they need to make an instant intervention. Assume he's been having breathing difficulties and that can get very bad very fast...


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    #97
    kravmaga
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    Im surprised he is in St Thomas's hospital, I thought the PM of the UK would be in a private hospital not a public hospital , Ive been in there myself when I lived in London, reminded me something like St James' hospital here in Dublin.

    I know its only across the bridge from Parliament.


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    #98
    theguzman
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    Boris is a great leader, l love his approach and he is good craic and genuinely entertaining. I hope he makes it and I we need him to pull through this for morale. The people who are taking delight in this are truly sick.

    Pray for Boris.


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    #99
    briany
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    I expect Johnsons's carers to give him every bit of help that current medical technology allows. Out of all the overweight 55 year old men out there who have been, or will be, stricken with this illness, his profile has to give him the best shot at not only pulling through this, but also avoiding any lasting damage to his lungs. Time will tell.


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    #100
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    lalababa wrote: »
    Funny 'coz Corbyn is quite a gentleman. Yet he's portrayed as a communist vampire by the media. A fella said to me the other day that the English are so entralled by bias media they would elect a duck ahead of a perceived labour socialist.

    But he actually is a communist. And so was his finance minister John MacDonald.


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    #101
    solidasarock
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    Obviously not a fan of his but wouldn't wish this virus on anyone so hope he pulls through.

    Maybe the change of perspective could do him some good.


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    #102
    Hotblack Desiato
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    This crisis is showing up people’s true colours. You can see it here day in and day out. It’s very depressing. Lots of cnuts out there, and in here.

    Would you include people saying it's god's judgement because of gays / abortion / etc in that?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #103
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    kravmaga wrote: »
    Im surprised he is in St Thomas's hospital, I thought the PM of the UK would be in a private hospital not a public hospital , Ive been in there myself when I lived in London, reminded me something like St James' hospital here in Dublin.

    I know its only across the bridge from Parliament.

    That particular one is probably one of the best in the entire country.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they draft in private doctors to assist. ( there’s a number of private hospitals in that area. )


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    #104
    fryup
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    He enjoys a drink and smoke the odd cigar and is overweight, .....

    But he's still relatively young, will have the best doctors around him...

    its 50 - 50 really (hope he pulls through)


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    #105
    Pseudonym121
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    s1ippy wrote: »
    If I were in a position where I was treating him, I'd look at him and think "overweight, alchol abuser, responsible for the hospitals being overburdened and left us underfunded, understaffed and under-resourced in the face of this crisis."

    I'm not sure how I'd act in the face of this. I'd like to think that I'd give him my best. If it were between him and somebody more deserving, there would be no question that I waste my time to save him over another healthier person just because he's famous. Isn't it lucky for him I'm not involved.

    It isn’t luck you’re not in charge of his care. You wouldn’t make it to be in that position as a doctor because you’d be attitudinally unsuited to make those sorts of decisions if you espoused those attitudes.

    This sort of thing is spotted during the years of training and people of that ilk find their path upward blocked at a certain point and get diverted into a field where that view won’t harm patients.


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    #106
    Better Than Christ
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    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    But he actually is a communist. And so was his finance minister John MacDonald.

    He's a democratic socialist. And a very decent one too.

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1247250889221574656


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    #107
    2u2me
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    briany wrote: »
    I expect Johnsons's carers to give him every bit of help that current medical technology allows. Out of all the overweight 55 year old men out there who have been, or will be, stricken with this illness, his profile has to give him the best shot at not only pulling through this, but also avoiding any lasting damage to his lungs. Time will tell.

    No extra treatment for the rich/powerful with this one. Rich and poor will die alike.


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    #108
    Stacksofwacks
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    It would be a huge blow for the UK to lose the PM to this virus. I think he has shown himself to be a quite capable and competent leader even though I fundamentally disagree with his politics, Brexit in particular


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    #109
    Hotblack Desiato
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    s1ippy wrote: »
    I'm saying if staff are triaging fairly, based on his medical outlook he may find himself managed out by the health service, which his party have gradually privatised more and more of down the years to the point that it's unrecognisable as a medical provider in the face of this pandemic. In which case he would be an unfortunate victim of circumstances of his own design. I'd rather nobody died from this virus.

    Ah would you not give over with this bollocks already.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #110
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I'm not aware of his financial situation, but if I were to infer he was rich it would be because he consults for the UN and his children went to Eton, Oxford and other top-ranked schools with all the other pig-head fanciers. Are you his mom or something?

    The children won scholarships to public schools. If you knew anything about the Johnson family then you would know that. Did you think that only rich children go to boarding school or top universities? Is your entire knowledge of this based on an Enid Blyton book you read when you were 9?
    You seem surprised that not everyone agrees with you about this.
    That’s the thing about boards. If you want to be in a lefty echo chamber then stay on Twitter where you can block anyone who doesn’t think like you. It won’t work for you here.


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    #111
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    rtron wrote: »
    Herd immunity.

    **** Off


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    #112
    Faugheen
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Twitter already full of disgusting remarks from corbynistas. They can't go a single day without letting themselves down. Hopefully he recovers fully and can continue to lead.

    Unfortunately the cranks are everywhere. You’d get some people here who would be the same if Leo or Mary Lou we’re in that position.

    Not excusing it. Just pointing out that no matter what side of the divide you’re on people will look for an excuse to stick the boot it in. It’s not s good look for anyone.

    Hopefully he recovers. Downing St has to be clear on his condition from here on in. They’ve downplayed his condition since he was admitted and I don’t think the public gains anything from that.


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    #113
    BanditLuke
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    rtron wrote: »
    Herd immunity.

    Grow up


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    #114
    briany
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    People who call Jeremy Corbyn a Communist don't know the meaning of the word. They're just spamming that association, trying to make it stick.

    I hope his critics would have the class to put their politics aside and wish him well if it were he who contracted COVID-19, just as Corbyn himself has extended his well wishes toward Johnson tonight.


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    #115
    iwillyeah1234
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    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    It isn’t luck you’re not in charge of his care. You wouldn’t make it to be in that position as a doctor because you’d be attitudinally unsuited to make those sorts of decisions if you espoused those attitudes.

    Under Boris , the Tories have become extremely pro-NHS.

    The ideological battle is over - if you fight the NHS you lose elections. It’s a cold , hard “realpolitik” of British political life.


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    #116
    ShineOn7
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not on Twitter. Don't know who Karen is.


    She's a gossiping hussy who didn't get enough attention as a child and is making up for it on Social Media


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    #117
    DeanAustin
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    solidasarock wrote: »
    Obviously not a fan of his but wouldn't wish this virus on anyone so hope he pulls through.

    Maybe the change of perspective could do him some good.

    Why "obviously"?


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    #118
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    2u2me wrote: »
    No extra treatment for the rich/powerful with this one. Rich and poor will die alike.

    Pep Gaurdiolas mother has died of it in Spain. If money or influence or public opinion could save you then she surely would have lived.


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    #119
    briany
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    2u2me wrote: »
    No extra treatment for the rich/powerful with this one. Rich and poor will die alike.

    Yes, I'm sure that if the Queen came down with this, she'd have to lie on a trolley in a public hospital until they found a bed for her. :rolleyes:


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    #120
    ShineOn7
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    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    This sort of thing is spotted during the years of training and people of that ilk find their path upward blocked at a certain point and get diverted into a field where that view won’t harm patients.


    Hopefully just as the security guard at the front door who isn't responsible for much at all


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    #121
    nuac
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    Wish the man well


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