American justice system in Ireland

Ohio9

Many individuals in this forum seem to idolize the American justice system where people from disadvantaged backgrounds always get the chop and rich can get away with almost anything. People idolize how criminals get proper sentences of hundreds of years which punishes the criminal properly and acts as a detterent.
When was the last time you saw a rich person get sentenced to death, that for the same crime a poor person would be.
I am a sadist so I don't really mind but it is unfair.

Rufeo

Did David Drumm get nailed. I haven't been following the story lately.

Guy:Incognito

Ohio9 wrote: »

Many individuals in this forum seem to idolize the American justice system where people from disadvantaged backgrounds always get the chop and rich can get away with almost anything. .

Harvey Weinstein would be interested in your opinions.........

J. Marston

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Harvey Weinstein would be interested in your opinions.........

Exemption to the rule and it took decades of open secret sexual assaults to finally make a move on him.

Your Face

I can almost hear the Rage Against The Machine album playing in the background.

Rodney Bathgate

300 convictions, many committed while on bail or probation, but a sob story for the judge gets you a suspended sentence here.

tdf7187

Rufeo wrote: »

Did David Drumm get nailed. I haven't been following the story lately.

Drumm was the patsy and yes he was convicted. The fella above him was acquitted in rather strange circumstances.

Rodney Bathgate

tdf7187 wrote: »

Drumm was the patsy and yes he was convicted. The fella above him was acquitted in rather strange circumstances.

Can you clarify your use of patsy here?

Regardless of the outcome of others criminal cases, do you think he was unfairly tried and convicted?

I Am Nobody

I don't see how it would work here.Most prisons in the US are privatised and judges there have no problem giving maximum sentences. Here in the Nanny State,people would be up in arms of a harsh sentence. Even the judges here are too sympathic to the accused. While I agree with harsher sentencing here, I just don't see it being implemented.

jmreire

I Am Nobody wrote: »

I don't see how it would work here.Most prisons in the US are privatised and judges there have no problem giving maximum sentences. Here in the Nanny State,people would be up in arms of a harsh sentence. Even the judges here are too sympathic to the accused. While I agree with harsher sentencing here, I just don't see it being implemented.

I'd say that here its all about the Nr of prison spaces available....simply not enough to go round....so they are prioritized. Cost's a lot of money to keep some one locked up in Ireland.
The American system is a commercial enterprise for the most part, as far as I know. Costs are based "per unit",,,,,,,, with profit high on the agenda. :cool:

Chinasea

Hike up the policing/Gardai imo. Dublin city centre overrun with so called petty criminals with hundreds of convictions. Many are violent and downright dangerous.

Most of them actually feel entitled to help themselves to your/my property.

I Am Nobody

Chinasea wrote: »

Hike up the policing/Gardai imo. Dublin city centre overrun with so called petty criminals with hundreds of convictions. Many are violent and downright dangerous.

Most of them actually feel entitled to help themselves to your/my property.

But it is up to judges to decide the punishment not the Gardaí. Judges are too soft so their discretion should be taken away with mandatory sentencing. Otherwise there is no deterrent.

Huntergonzo

Not overly concerned about the American Judicial system and I wouldn't be a supporter of the death penatly either.

But I think our system can be too soft on major crime (murder, large scale financial fraud etc) and also on repeat offenders.

There's people roaming around over here with 100+ convictions FFS!! I mean when is enough, enough like, apparently never in Ireland.

Stovepipe

We have too few prisons,whereas every American county has a minimum of a county jail,which is usually used for local crimes and short term detention. The amount of times you hear of Irish people being sentenced to jail for nonpaymrent of fines and the gardai drag them up to Mountjoy,only to have them turned away for lack of places and their sentence is wiped out. Wouldnt happen in America. You'd get banged up in the local nick for a while, then sent to the county prison to serve your sentence.

Richard Hillman

America has a conveyor belt of criminals. Large areas in big cities that would make our worst places seem like a holiday destination. The amount of one parent and even no parent families are off the scale, particularly in Black areas. The kids don't even have a remote chance.

Latino areas of large crime end up being replenished with young solo illegal males coming from Mexico, Honduras etc. Where they cannot legally work, so take up working with drug gangs.

We do not have near the scale of that problem. The conveyor belt is miniscule. Its the same people committing the same crimes, in the the same places. Our crime problem would be pulverised with a couple of thousand extra prison places and some actual sentences.

I Am Nobody

But you can't compare the crimes in the US to here.We often hear of people up before the courts with 70+ convictions being granted bail.Why?Because of places available in the prisons. The well knowns know how to play the system and still get by.That needs to change to send a message. Reactivate Spike Island into a prison instead of a tourist attraction. For long term sentencings.

Make prison a sentencing instead of a holiday as it is for inmates.

Judge Judy, do you mean?

end of the road

I Am Nobody wrote: »

But you can't compare the crimes in the US to here.We often hear of people up before the courts with 70+ convictions being granted bail.Why?Because of places available in the prisons. The well knowns know how to play the system and still get by.That needs to change to send a message.

the message has already been sent that it is against the law and is not acceptable to commit a crime, the criminals already know but they don't care.
sentences should be increased absolutely along with other measures, but if we are doing it in the aim of sending a message then we are just wasting our time.

I Am Nobody wrote: »

Reactivate Spike Island into a prison instead of a tourist attraction. For long term sentencings.

apparently it was a very difficult and costly prison to work in it's day, and it was decided it was no longer tenable or viable to keep it open as such, hence it is unlikely to be reactivated as a prison.
it's gone as a prison and people just need to move on.

I Am Nobody wrote: »

Make prison a sentencing instead of a holiday as it is for inmates.

it already is a sentencing and not a holiday.
if individual inmates see it as a holiday, there isn't much you can do about that.

jmreire

end of the road wrote: »

the message has already been sent that it is against the law and is not acceptable to commit a crime, the criminals already know but they don't care.
sentences should be increased absolutely along with other measures, but if we are doing it in the aim of sending a message then we are just wasting our time.



apparently it was a very difficult and costly prison to work in it's day, and it was decided it was no longer tenable or viable to keep it open as such, hence it is unlikely to be reactivated as a prison.
it's gone as a prison and people just need to move on.



it already is a sentencing and not a holiday.
if individual inmates see it as a holiday, there isn't much you can do about that.

We can talk all day long about the problem of lawbreakers and punishment, but until such time as more prison's are built and become operational, it's all just shooting the breeze....and no one knows this better than the lawbreakers,,,,,no point in blaming the Judges for "soft" sentencing,,, they know the score only too well. Where are they going to send the Lawbreaker's, if they cannot jail them??? And what does anyone think of the chances ( especially now ) of more prisons being built? ( and without turning in into another Childrens Hospital Fiasco ?) It is as it is, and thats the reality, unfortunately.

angel eyes 2012

Stovepipe wrote: »

We have too few prisons,whereas every American county has a minimum of a county jail,which is usually used for local crimes and short term detention. The amount of times you hear of Irish people being sentenced to jail for nonpaymrent of fines and the gardai drag them up to Mountjoy,only to have them turned away for lack of places and their sentence is wiped out. Wouldnt happen in America.

Not correct, since the commencement of the Fines Act 2014 and subsequent introduction of the installment system, committals for non-payment of fines have largely collapsed.

The average cost of maintaining a prisoner in the State is 70k per prisoner per annum and our prisons are severely overcrowded. Are tax payers willing to pay more tax towards building prisons when prison doesn't act as a deterrent for crime, if it did, prisons would be empty.
I know I'd prefer the money to be invested in health care and preventative measures.

Any prison system that operates purely to make profit can never ensure the greater public need is being served and that is one reason why the US system is so flawed.

end of the road

jmreire wrote: »

We can talk all day long about the problem of lawbreakers and punishment, but until such time as more prison's are built and become operational, it's all just shooting the breeze....and no one knows this better than the lawbreakers,,,,,no point in blaming the Judges for "soft" sentencing,,, they know the score only too well. Where are they going to send the Lawbreaker's, if they cannot jail them??? And what does anyone think of the chances ( especially now ) of more prisons being built? ( and without turning in into another Childrens Hospital Fiasco ?) It is as it is, and thats the reality, unfortunately.

that's it in a nutshell.

Montage of Feck

I want an AD 2000 justice system.

AllForIt

Absolutely revolted by this once considered odd opinion but now commonplace, that all crimes committed by the lower social classes is as a result of inequality. Now who would say that, to push their agenda? Lefties and socialists, who else.

It's a nasty spiteful view that infer's that one's success in life comes at the expense of other's, for every bit of wealth one accrue's there is an equal opposite effect that someone else has to suffer, and that crime is somehow a result of that, and that it is somehow poetic justice when a successful person is a victim of crime perpetuated by a lower social class person.

All that is emotional blackmail spread by socialite's designed to make ppl feel guilty and thus be more willing to pay more in taxes to spread wealth down to the lower social classes to the level of giving them an income such that they don't have to work at all and thus don't have to do anything in their lives to further themselves in any way whatsoever.

It is my view the reason there are lower social classes at all is not fundamentally to do with inequality or lack of opportunity but because there a micro cultures in all society's are are completely incapable, mostly due to low IQ pervading in said micro cultures.

Now I am not saying that everyone born into the lower social classes is stupid, and I fully understand if they are not, it is harder for one to make it in life then if one was born into say a middle class background, and yes I agree that if they WANT to make it, they should be given more support, not least because societally it is in everyone's interest as many ppl as possible do well for themselves.

But I will not subscribe to this idea that because of one's personal social background this gives them some excuse to get involved in violent crimes, or any kind of disruptive social behavior, including petty crimes. If they do, that is more indicative of the societal circles they live in, and I don't think anyone can be absolved of their criminal decisions for their background, unless they were literally starving which is unlikely, but more like they want to buy the most expensive NIKE trainers, which the more aberrant version of socialist's think they should be able to do because that would be equality.

Geuze

Eamon Lynch, with over 500 convictions, was involved in a RTA in Co. Donegal:

"The court heard that Lynch, who previously lived at a number of addresses in Derry city, was believed to be travelling at 165 kph on a road with a 100 kph speed limit when he crashed into a car driven by the school leaver.

The Derry man, who had almost 500 previous convictions, had been drinking, had no driving licence, no valid NCT for his car, no tax or insurance when the accident occurred."

https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/01/28/news/derry-man-with-worst-criminal-record-jailed-for-road-death-908777/

I want a system where Mr. Lynch isn't out and about with 500 convictions.



I also want a system where Eamon can't do what he did after the accident:

He sued the insurer of the young man killed in the accident, making a claim against the young man's parents car insurance policy.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/killer-driver-tried-to-sue-dead-teenager-s-insurance-firm-1.2973635


If that means a USA type system of: reach 100 convictions = automatic 10 year sentence, then I support that.

Geuze

jmreire wrote: »

We can talk all day long about the problem of lawbreakers and punishment, but until such time as more prison's are built and become operational, it's all just shooting the breeze....and no one knows this better than the lawbreakers,,,,,no point in blaming the Judges for "soft" sentencing,,, they know the score only too well. Where are they going to send the Lawbreaker's, if they cannot jail them??? And what does anyone think of the chances ( especially now ) of more prisons being built? ( and without turning in into another Childrens Hospital Fiasco ?) It is as it is, and thats the reality, unfortunately.

I'd say we have enough prison spaces.

But we put people in for not paying fines.

Instead, garnish their income, and free up the prison space.

Our justice system has an abundance of faults, but thank Christ it's not the American system.

YFlyer

Is the three strike rule popular in the US?

Losty Dublin

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

Not correct, since the commencement of the Fines Act 2014 and subsequent introduction of the installment system, committals for non-payment of fines have largely collapsed.

The 2014 act isn't fit for purpose according to some judges.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/laws-aimed-at-cutting-numbers-jailed-for-unpaid-fines-not-working-1.4189706

Muahahaha

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Our crime problem would be pulverised with a couple of thousand extra prison places and some actual sentences.

Yeah I strongly believe that as well. Our prison capacity is circa 4,000. I reckon if they went and built Thornton Hall and increase capacity to circa 6,000 then crime would drop a fair bit. Theres a huge need to get criminals with multiple convictions off the streets, remove this cohort and suddenly lads doing burglaries as a career choice are removed from society.

Stovepipe

More spaces, harder regime (more isolation,less access to drugs in prison,less mixing), more jailing of white collar criminals.Make jail tougher than outside life.......I was watching Scannal on TV last night and the featured criminals were the Scissors sisters and what struck me was that, as they were being moved from prison van to court and vice versa, they were not cuffed or shackled in anyway and the prison staff were so casual with them. You wouldnt move a prisoner an inch in America without restraint.

NSAman

If you want a USA justice system (god forbid) then you had better build more prisons. Everyone who does anything wrong goes to jail. Be that the county jail or the federal prison.

Steal.. even a candy bar.... police called... jail.. court... prison/massive fine.

Judges dont give a damn if you have money or not (that is the job of your expensive lawyer to sort out)

your priest or a friend of the family stating hard times and your good character in court, do NOT get a chance here.

500 convictions dont exist here. Its time to get used to Orange after just a few .

touts

The justice industry in the US profits by putting people into their prisons.

The justice industry here profits by keeping people out of prison. Someone who commits 300 crimes is a cash cow for the lawyers, judges, etc. If they were locked away on the third offence then that revenue stream dries up. So they keep them walking the streets committing crimes and earning money for the justice industry.

Personally I'd prefer the American Justice Industry model. At least there the people who suffer are those convicted of crime not those who are the victims of repeat offenders

rossie1977

America has more people in jail per capita than anywhere else on earth. More black men in jail than South Africa had under apartheid. Crime is still at extremely high levels compared to every other fully developed nation.

Not sure why we in Ireland should be attempting to emulate a system that clearly isn't working.

The US war on drugs that we along with many other places followed plays a big role in our crime rates.

angel eyes 2012

Losty Dublin wrote: »

The 2014 act isn't fit for purpose according to some judges.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/laws-aimed-at-cutting-numbers-jailed-for-unpaid-fines-not-working-1.4189706

I am well aware of the failings of the legislation, however it had to be stated that the numbers jailed for unpaid fines has since plummeted, which was one of the objectives when the legislation was originally conceived.

ILoveYourVibes

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Harvey Weinstein would be interested in your opinions.........

He got away with it for years. If he wasn't rich he would have been caught years ago and we all know this.

Muahahaha

rossie1977 wrote: »

Not sure why we in Ireland should be attempting to emulate a system that clearly isn't working.

Unfortunately whenever there is a discussion of crime and justice there is always a cohort who have the simplistic idea of 'lock 'em up and throw away the key' as the solution. Any cursory glance at the American justice system would tell you that that strategy is a failure, they have more than 2 million prisoners and it hasnt made any dent in the levels of crime.

From what I can see most of our problem here in Ireland is repeat criminals and the practice of concurrent sentences. If you get arrested for robbery or burglary here there will be approximately a year between being caught and facing the courts. Criminals know that they are going to get a concurrent sentence so then during that year they are actually incentivised to go and commit even more burglaries- after all if you know every sentence you serve will run concurrently then you might as well go down for 10 burglaries as going down for one. The structure of the system actually makes it worth criminals while to commit even more crimes, its a real in for a penny, in for a pound scenario.

One thing I dont get here is that there is two simple ways of solving this. For a start put an end to concurrent sentences, if you do 10 burglaries you have to be getting 10 sentences running one after the other. But secondly why are we not using GPS ankle tags on anyone who is out on bail? Its very simple, if the Gardai knows a criminals location at all times then they cannot commit any more crime. Ankle tags effectively prevent crime because who would be dumb enough to commit one when technology can actually place them at the scene of the crime. Right now they can go rob a shop at knifepoint, cover their face and the CCTV is useless. But put an ankle tag on them and now you have irrefutable evidence placing them at the location at the time the crime was committed. Its a game changer IMO.

I strongly believe if we ankle tagged criminals here you would see a large drop in crime, remove their ability to remain anonymous/invisible and suddenly if they do anything they're going to get caught and convicted because of that tag around their ankle.

LuasSimon

Fines for a certain group in our society are a waste of time as they never pay them knowing full well theres no prison space to put them into, perhaps spend 3 or 4 hours in prison and your fine is quenched. Happens for heaps of no insurance cases . Fines should have 20-50 a week taken off your dole but that'll never happen in Ireland.
2 new prisons minimum badly needed.

Ohio9

Ohio9 wrote: »

Many individuals in this forum seem to idolize the American justice system where people from disadvantaged backgrounds always get the chop and rich can get away with almost anything. People idolize how criminals get proper sentences of hundreds of years which punishes the criminal properly and acts as a detterent.
When was the last time you saw a rich person get sentenced to death, that for the same crime a poor person would be.
I am a sadist so I don't really mind but it is unfair.

Can you point out a situation where a poor person got death and a rich person didn't for the exact same offence? I would be surprised considering the death penalty is abolished in most states and where it still exists, is reserved for the most serious crimes.

Your statement is dripping with pre existing bias against the us system and while I disagree with a large portion of how they operate, long sentences and the 3 strike system I agree with albeit I think 5 or even 10 strikes would be fairer.

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

I'd say we have enough prison spaces.

But we put people in for not paying fines.

Instead, garnish their income, and free up the prison space.

No, we largely don't due to lack of space. Most fines are for the very people that know they won't go to jail for not paying, career criminals.

The TV license which is what people usually drop when it comes to prison for fines requires a lot more than simple not having one to end up in jail. You have a TV, you get a letter saying "oh you need a license" then you get another saying "get a damn license" then you get a summons to court, you can still get a license before the court date and the case will be dropped, then you get a hearing and get a fine, then you have a few months to pay the fine, you refuse to pay the fine, a Garda then arrives at your house and you can pay the fine it go to jail and you again don't pay the fine and eventually end up in jail for about 4 hours while you are lodged and released on early release as a non violent low sentence offender. If You allowed the situation to go that far, take your medicine.

J. Marston

J. Marston wrote: »

Exemption to the rule and it took decades of open secret sexual assaults to finally make a move on him.

Can't prosecute without complaints

Chinasea

Chinasea wrote: »

Hike up the policing/Gardai imo. Dublin city centre overrun with so called petty criminals with hundreds of convictions. Many are violent and downright dangerous.

Most of them actually feel entitled to help themselves to your/my property.

What difference would that make? They don't care if they are arrested, it's just a minor occupational hazard to them

yrreg0850

tdf7187 wrote: »

Drumm was the patsy and yes he was convicted. The fella above him was acquitted in rather strange circumstances.

As far as I know he just got a " slap on the wrist".

The yanks had him in lock up while he was fighting extradition, until he realized ,that if he came home he would just have to report to a garda station occasionally.

Gerry T

The sooner we introduce technology the better. Picture it, every criminal at home with an ankle bracelet, some could be let out during day light for a couple of hrs, dangerous criminals behind bars. Essentially the state stops paying to keep these people away from the general public. This would give judges more flexibility knowing that there weren't as limited a number of prison cells, also young criminals wouldn't be getting an apprenticeship in prison from more hardened criminals.
We don't need an American system, we just need to have these repeat defenders locked in the house. Their friends/family would soon get pissed off and knock some sense into him/her.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

the message has already been sent that it is against the law and is not acceptable to commit a crime, the criminals already know but they don't care.
sentences should be increased absolutely along with other measures, but if we are doing it in the aim of sending a message then we are just wasting our time.



apparently it was a very difficult and costly prison to work in it's day, and it was decided it was no longer tenable or viable to keep it open as such, hence it is unlikely to be reactivated as a prison.
it's gone as a prison and people just need to move on.



it already is a sentencing and not a holiday.
if individual inmates see it as a holiday, there isn't much you can do about that.

Serious sentences would send a message. A pickpocket than knew they were getting 5 years for the hundred euro they got would think twice. They would still stay on social welfare but they wouldn't take the same chances

Indeed but it was supposed to be replaced and never was

You can take the PlayStations away for starters. They need something, I understand that and I'm not a cruel man but **** that. They can read quality books, not trash. They can take classes to actually improve themselves and now importantly, learn legitimate skills. Too many classes in prisons are almost empty cause the prisoners don't bother. They have made the career choice to always be a Criminal. 5 years for 1 wallet? Might make them realise they made the wrong decision.

However, after all that the simple reality is a Criminal in jail is not committing crimes against decent people while locked up. if you factor in stopping their dole, the cost of legal aid every time they go to court and the cost of a judge + Gardai compared to the cost of prisoner officers I'm thinking the be cost of locking then up isn't as much as the numbers suggest if actually even cheaper

That's enough justification for me.

Gerry T

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Serious sentences would send a message. A pickpocket than knew they were getting 5 years for the hundred euro they got would think twice. They would still stay on social welfare but they wouldn't take the same chances

Indeed but it was supposed to be replaced and never was

You can take the PlayStations away for starters. They need something, I understand that and I'm not a cruel man but **** that. They can read quality books, not trash. They can take classes to actually improve themselves and now importantly, learn legitimate skills. Too many classes in prisons are almost empty cause the prisoners don't bother. They have made the career choice to always be a Criminal. 5 years for 1 wallet? Might make them realise they made the wrong decision

It might make them kill rather than get caught.

Gerry T

Gerry T wrote: »

It might make them kill rather than get caught.

Unlikely, considering that would carry a real life sentence.

But sure on that basis let them away all the time in case one gets violent.

Gerry T

Gerry T wrote: »

The sooner we introduce technology the better. Picture it, every criminal at home with an ankle bracelet, some could be let out during day light for a couple of hrs, dangerous criminals behind bars. Essentially the state stops paying to keep these people away from the general public. This would give judges more flexibility knowing that there weren't as limited a number of prison cells, also young criminals wouldn't be getting an apprenticeship in prison from more hardened criminals.
We don't need an American system, we just need to have these repeat defenders locked in the house. Their friends/family would soon get pissed off and knock some sense into him/her.

And what happens when they leave the house as they must certainly will, on a daily basis?

SeanW

Ohio9 wrote: »

Many individuals in this forum seem to idolize the American justice system where people from disadvantaged backgrounds always get the chop and rich can get away with almost anything. People idolize how criminals get proper sentences of hundreds of years which punishes the criminal properly and acts as a detterent.
When was the last time you saw a rich person get sentenced to death, that for the same crime a poor person would be.
I am a sadist so I don't really mind but it is unfair.

There is a happy medium.

You can have things like a 3 Strikes system (maybe not 3 but maybe 10 or so) without having private prisons and all the other things.

We don't need a sadistic over the top system that looks for excuses to punish people to the max, but we could have something that does not allow someone with 124 convictions to kill someone while out on bail for their 125th crime.

Something properly balanced.

jimmyrustle

Geuze wrote: »

Eamon Lynch, with over 500 convictions, was involved in a RTA in Co. Donegal:

"The court heard that Lynch, who previously lived at a number of addresses in Derry city, was believed to be travelling at 165 kph on a road with a 100 kph speed limit when he crashed into a car driven by the school leaver.

The Derry man, who had almost 500 previous convictions, had been drinking, had no driving licence, no valid NCT for his car, no tax or insurance when the accident occurred."

https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/01/28/news/derry-man-with-worst-criminal-record-jailed-for-road-death-908777/

I want a system where Mr. Lynch isn't out and about with 500 convictions.



I also want a system where Eamon can't do what he did after the accident:
at.

From Derry. How in the jaysis did the dissidents never take him out under the guise of their community policing?

Gerry T

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Unlikely, sure on that basis let them away all the time in case one gets violent.

That's how it works in some american states. 3 strike rule, and offenders shoot to kill.
If the punishment doesn't suit the crime then offenders get more vicious.

Our revolving door and minor crimes not being punished Consistently is the problem. With an ankle bracelet, 140 convictions could be 140*6mths locked up at home. No major cost to the state and their not walking about. Hell you could have anyone with 3 convictions on a curfew, so easy and so effective.

soups05

I will start off by saying I have been a victim of crime several times so I am most certainly biased. Also this idea was suggested by another poster on a similar thread so not mine.
Scumbag commits a crime, get the usual suspended sentence, given a chance etc. Fair enough, allows for a simple mistake, error in judgement.
After a set amount, say 3 crimes, the scumbag is no longer allowed to get a suspended sentence, each crime must be punished by a spell in prison. BUT with an added mandatory extra of a month per previous conviction.
Let's say this law comes into effect in may. Any crimes committed before May get a general overall addition, let's say total of a year even if it is 500 convictions. Anyone with multiple convictions will soon rack up lots of time inside, ten crimes with a 1 year term, plus ten months for each extra and suddenly they have a real chance of going away for a long time. This then puts the criminal in a position of having to make a choice of real time away or change their lifestyle.
The buy one get one free approach of concurrent sentences would also have to end of course.

Failing that, the other option is make the punishment fit the crime. I for one would be more than happy to break the jaws of the two who attacked me. Let them feel the same pain I felt/continue to feel.

three years of waiting and they walked away scot free ffs. Laughing their asses off as they left court.
The system is broken when criminals have nothing to fear and normal people have nothing to hope for.