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Another Own Goal by the HSE .

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    #62
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I think you are making it up. It's not even logical. Is this the Whatapps morning briefing?

    See Irish Independent online.


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    #63
    is_that_so
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    mountai wrote: »
    See Irish Independent online.
    Now I know it's made up! Is it Mary again who's the source?


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    #64
    beauf
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    Its behind a paywall. No mention of it anywhere else. I would be dubious of both sources of this story based on their past creativity with reporting, posting.

    It could be partially true, but has spun for clicks.


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    #65
    is_that_so
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    beauf wrote: »
    Its behind a paywall. No mention of it anywhere else. I would be dubious of both sources of this story based on their past creativity with reporting, posting.
    They also claimed more restrictions were coming about week after these came into place. All of the journalists have been mishearing things or trading on anecdotes as fact.


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    #66
    blanch152
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    beauf wrote: »
    Its behind a paywall. No mention of it anywhere else. I would be dubious of both sources of this story based on their past creativity with reporting, posting.

    It could be partially true, but has spun for clicks.

    "Some nursing homes claim that......" is being turned into "The HSE is demanding that....", it is a familiar theme of the spinning that is being done across Twitter and other social media platforms by desperate political parties.


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    #67
    beauf
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    Even considering the current crisis. There's generally a waiting list for nursing home, sometimes a year or more long.


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    #68
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    just confirmed by two NH owners on drive time the conditions being foisted on them . Private residents excluded from state help from fund . Those living at their homes should not be exposed by having to accept patients who may be already infected . HSE have ringfenced supplies of hand sanitiser for its own use , including other PPE which are required by them . Having to use plastic bags and rain macs .


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    #69
    beauf
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    mountai wrote: »
    just confirmed by two NH owners on drive time the conditions being foisted on them . Private residents excluded from state help from fund . Those living at their homes should not be exposed by having to accept patients who may be already infected . HSE have ringfenced supplies of hand sanitiser for its own use , including other PPE which are required by them . Having to use plastic bags and rain macs .

    Confirmed hardly.

    The way I heard it, is that HSE is controlling the supply based on clinical need. Acute ICU are being prioritized. The HSE are supplying these Nursing homes with PPE based on current need and if they have cases. These nursing homes, from what I heard didn't have any cases yet. But they wanted to be prepared in advance when they do get a case. Its a very different as you presented it. Its up as a podcast now.

    Sounds like ( I say "sounds like" as the tabloids piece on this was so badly written it contradicted itself, so very unreliable) they are are paying the support based on the numbers on the fair deal in the nursing home, regardless if the nursing home is public and private. At the moment they aren't counting patients in for respite and similar. These aren't usually treated the same as full time patients. I can't imagine anyone wanting respite in the current environment. Thus far fully private patients aren't part of the calculation, for the funds that the Nursing home is allocated.
    mountai wrote: »
    The latest pearl of wisdom from HSE . They are demanding that privater nursing homes , must admit , within one hour , patients that are diagnosed already suffering with the virus . So if a nursing home is virus free ATM , it becomes infected , and best of all , no liability will be accepted by the HSE . Couldnt make this **** up if you tried !!!. Good man Simon .

    No idea what you are on about. What did read was that in order to get support funding, you have to be willing to take admissions. This is usually done to free up beds in hospital. No mention in what I read of having to take patients with the virus. Usually its patients who have improved to the point of not needing the specialist care in the hospital. To make way for someone sicker in the hospital bed. Generally under normal conditions, nursing homes transfer very sick
    residents to hospital for treatment. Then they return when recovered enough if appropriate etc. If the nursing homes don't accept them back, its a bed blocker for the hospital. AFAIK.


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    #70
    James Brown
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    dotsman wrote: »
    I think it's more of an own goal for those that think you can simply destroy the private sector and expect everything to work seamlessly.

    TBF, if this pandemic has shown anything it's the opposite. We've the tax payer paying handsomely for the use of private beds while HSE workers are volunteering to assist in private facilities.
    Nobody could have been prepared for the Covid19 volume, but we were already in a decades old deteriorating by the year public health crisis as it was.


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    #71
    Roanmore
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    Bowie wrote: »
    TBF, if this pandemic has shown anything it's the opposite. We've the tax payer paying handsomely for the use of private beds while HSE workers are volunteering to assist in private facilities.
    Nobody could have been prepared for the Covid19 volume, but we were already in a decades old deteriorating by the year public health crisis as it was.

    Why are HSE workers volunteering in Private facilities when the uptake on the Private hospitals is only about 15% and there are Staff there literally not working? Crazy if true.


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    #72
    JJJackal
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    mountai wrote: »
    What I am saying is

    4/ The question must be answered as to why the HSE controlled homes cost on average 60% more to run than the private ones .

    I could hazard a guess at this one. HSE controlled homes likely take the more complex patients with higher care needs.

    I suspect private nurse homes can pick the patients they take i.e. your not guaranteed admission.

    Furthermore I suspect public nursing homes are better staffed


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    #73
    beauf
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    More about transfers of patients here.

    https://extra.ie/2020/04/26/news/irish-news/hse-patients-virus-care-homes


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    #74
    mountai
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    A friend of mine, long term resident in Public hospital psychiatric ward, showed symptoms, coughing and high temperature. All residents were transferred into Private sector, ha was dead in 10 days.


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