Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

igCorcaigh

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-ecuador-guayaquil-bodies-streets-police-barcelona-a9462246.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Almost 800 bodies collected from homes in the capital of Ecuador, 630 others were collected from hospitals, Ecuador's official death toll is just 370

BBC has video of that. Bodies left on the streets and in people's homes for days. Very grim

Mwengwe

wakka12 wrote: »

Singapore reports new daily record of 477 cases

Singapore has gone from 1600 cases to 3700 in just seven days

Not good

quokula

quokula wrote: »

Yeah these actions have repeatedly shown to be useless and are nothing more than grandiose political gestures designed to appeal to idiots who can't grasp details. Italy was the first to close Chinese flights in Europe and went on to be the worst affected for a long time. The US was quick to close down flights and is now the worst affected in the world.

The real, evidence based solutions recommended by experts and backed by data are far more important than jumping to simplistic solutions that achieve nothing.

Travel bans haven't been shown repeatedly to be useless, quite the opposite.


You're confusing the fact that having <X> additional infected people entering a country when the country is already above a certain number and not able to contain it makes the travel ban largely irrelevant.

Countries that successfully contained covid-19 early on and brought in travel restrictions have done the best by far.


Experts have routinely made bad decisions because, perhaps unsurprisingly, western 'experts' have almost no expertise when it comes to flu epidemics/pandemics. Countries like China, South Korea, Taiwan etc do - and experts there all recommended travel/movement bans and quarantining travelers as soon as possible.

BanditLuke

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Just putting it out - is it time to ban running in public?

On footpaths absolutely.

growleaves

NYU scientists: Largest US study of COVID-19 finds obesity the single biggest 'chronic' factor in New York City's hospitalizations

For months, scientists have been poring over data about cases and deaths to understand why it is that COVID-19 manifests itself in different ways around the world, with certain factors such as the age of the population repeatedly popping up as among the most significant determinants.

Now, one of the largest studies conducted of COVID-19 infection in the United States has found that obesity of patients was the single biggest factor in whether those with COVID-19 had to be admitted to a hospital.

"The chronic condition with the strongest association with critical illness was obesity, with a substantially higher odds ratio than any cardiovascular or pulmonary disease," write lead author Christopher M. Petrilli of the NYU Grossman School and colleagues in a paper, "Factors associated with hospitalization and critical illness among 4,103 patients with Covid-19 disease in New York City."

tom1ie

growleaves wrote: »

Being overweight and obese are major risk factors for this pandemic in otherwise healthy people. That is now very clear.

The fact that people would think even about banning outdoor exercise during a pandemic which is a killer for the overweight shows the extreme fixation on the single factor of risk of outdoor transmission.

Mandatory exercise and fasting for people over a certain weight by order of the government would just as reasonable a response as the restrictions (and no more or less authoritarian imo).

indoor exercise?

timmy_mallet

growleaves wrote: »

Being overweight and obese are major risk factors for this pandemic in otherwise healthy people. That is now very clear.

The fact that people would think even about banning outdoor exercise during a pandemic which is a killer for the overweight shows the extreme fixation on the single factor of risk of outdoor transmission.

Mandatory exercise and fasting for people over a certain weight by order of the government would just as reasonable a response as the restrictions (and no more or less authoritarian imo).

/STRAWMAN/ Look, I was on my way to Lidl to buy 10 bottles of cider to drink this evening, I was only going to start drinking after the chip butty dinner, and there I was smoking my way down to the shops when a jogger ran past me! Has he no concern for my health! /STRAWMAN/

igCorcaigh

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438838918344705

First detailed map I've seen.

Minnie Snuggles

The first person arrested for breaking emergency Covid-19 restrictions has appeared in court

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0415/1130713-covid-charged-break-restrictions/

timmy_mallet

tom1ie wrote: »

indoor exercise?

Right after we ban selling of cigarettes, alcohol and fatty foods. Utterly disgraceful disregard for the public health system of anyone engaging in those.

BanditLuke

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

The first person arrested for breaking emergency Covid-19 restrictions has appeared in court

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0415/1130713-covid-charged-break-restrictions/

Example needs to be made of him next week. Prison time or massive fine.

DevilsHaircut

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438838918344705

Interesting - could provoke so local reaction in places - #i can see a small cluster near where I live in a rural area that is likely to be a nursing home, but maybe might provoke a small bit of anxiety in the local shop

DevilsHaircut

igCorcaigh wrote: »

First detailed map I've seen.

Looks to be the same source as the screenshot from last(?) week.

ShayNanigan

RobertKK wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

There were warnings from US cables from China that the security measures at the Wuhan lab were not what they should be.
The Chinese were studying bat coronaviruses to understand them better and to try and prevent a future pandemic.
It was know the lab was a risk but nothing was done to make it far more secure.

If you've watched the video "I Found The Source of the Coronavirus" by Laowhy86 on Youtube recently, this article seems to back his findings.

In case you're wondering who the random guy posting that video is, he used to live in China for years, learning the language etc. before he had to move out of the country as things became too difficult. He's assembled some interesting data freely available on the Chinese internet but in Chinese. Pretty much identical to the stuff the WP article is saying except he posted it about two weeks ago.

timmy_mallet

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

The first person arrested for breaking emergency Covid-19 restrictions has appeared in court

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0415/1130713-covid-charged-break-restrictions/

Probably more to do with his driving issues than anything.

Kermit.de.frog

wakka12 wrote: »

Singapore reports new daily record of 477 cases

Singapore has gone from 1600 cases to 3700 in just seven days

From the New York Times

Singapore officials have been screening and quarantining all travelers from outside the country since the beginning of the pandemic. Their contact tracing is second to none. Every time they identify an infection, they commit to determining its origin in two hours. They post online where identified infected people work, live and have spent time so that potential contacts can be identified. They enforce quarantines and isolation of such contacts, with criminal charges for those who violate orders.

And yet, in the last week, they’ve put the entire country into lockdown. All migrant workers are confined to their compounds for at least two weeks. Citizens may leave their homes, but only to buy food or medicine, or to exercise. Anyone who breaks the rules, including spending time with anyone not in their household, can be imprisoned, fined the equivalent of $7,000 U.S., or both.

timmy_mallet

BanditLuke wrote: »

Example needs to be made of him next week. Prison time or massive fine.

Anything to be said for execution? Or is that a bit far?

Minnie Snuggles

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Probably more to do with his driving issues than anything.

We will just have to see what happens to the other 6 that were arrested.

DevilsHaircut

Dublin map https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438842475098112

igCorcaigh

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Anything to be said for execution? Or is that a bit far?

If he's lucky, he might get away with crucifixion.

Gynoid

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Anything to be said for execution? Or is that a bit far?

Making them jog until they expire will probably satisfy the most people.

growleaves

We will just have to see what happens to the other 6 that were arrested.

Some of them were absolute piss-takers, like the guy who allegedly sneezed towards a garda and shouted "there's your coronavirus".

Alun

igCorcaigh wrote: »

First detailed map I've seen.

They've been available as part of the HSE's daily updates for ages now, downloadable as a PDF.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-updates.html#daily-updates

Latest one here ...

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-14-april-2020.pdf

gabeeg

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Dublin map https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438842475098112

The Phoenix park is the only safe place in Dublin.

Lets all go there immediately. Follow me!

JP Liz V1

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Dublin map https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438842475098112

Poor Dublin, our epi centre, no wonder their hospitals full

igCorcaigh

igCorcaigh wrote: »

First detailed map I've seen.

It also tells me we need to blow all the bridges on the shannon before we let anymore of the rest of ye pox infected feckers in

Tony EH

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Even CNN who hate Trump were giving out about the WHO last night, saying they were slow to call it a pandemic.

The initial WHO response to this was woeful, no-one disputes that. They advised people to fly away, both in and out of China. This was the starting point for the worldwide spread.

If this was isolated to China early, we'd actually have a functioning world economy at the moment, instead of wrecked economies and another Great Depression on the way.

There was no chance for it to be isolated to China. Not with the way the world works. It was only a matter of time before some asymptomatic case flew somewhere with the virus.

Blaming the WHO for that is stupid.

As an organisation they may have made some missteps here and there at the beginning of this outbreak. But they're dealing with something that hasn't been seen in a century.

Trump's bollocks is about his petty trade war with China and pointing at someone else to apportion blame.

At the very best, it's unhelpful.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

tobefrank321 wrote: »

WHO? Seriously? A body that denied human to human transmission was possible and only called it a pandemic after most countries were in deep sh*t. A bit of forewarning would have been helpful. WHO have done a lot of good things in the past but the way they have been played by the Chinese in all this is without doubt.

You cannot social distance infinitely.

As for it not being an EU competency, this is exactly why many people have a problem with the EU. Whenever there is a crisis, they sh*t their pants and are unable to act in time to prevent it escalating hugely. Next to no leadership on this.

What? WHO said that covid-19 couldn't be passed from human to human? When was this?

DevilsHaircut

Alun wrote: »

They've been available as part of the HSE's daily updates for ages now, downloadable as a PDF.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-updates.html#daily-updates

Latest one here ...

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-14-april-2020.pdf

Thanks, spent ages trying to find these.

Mwengwe

growleaves wrote: »

Being overweight and obese are major risk factors for this pandemic in otherwise healthy people. That is now very clear.

The fact that people would think even about banning outdoor exercise during a pandemic which is a killer for the overweight shows the extreme fixation on the single factor of risk of outdoor transmission.

Mandatory exercise and fasting for people over a certain weight by order of the government would just as reasonable a response as the restrictions (and no more or less authoritarian imo).

lol @mandatory fasting...
No-one's trying to ban outdoor exercising, there's more than one way to skin a cat and all people are saying is that running on footpaths needs some kind of regulation if people can't regulate it themselves (ie, choose a quiet footpath, or quiet time). Having said that I don't really know if it's realistically enforceable.

Also if someone's overweight to the point where it's a clear risk factor than they're not going to lose that weight overnight and suddenly be risk-free because they're running on footpaths once a day

khalessi

Who on rte live

Rob A. Bank

Live W.H.O. press briefing now.

Seamai

igCorcaigh wrote: »

If he's lucky, he might get away with crucifixion.

The Romanian Orthodox church celebrate Easter a week later than us so we could arrange that crucifixion for this Friday, tie in nicely.

Elmer Blooker

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Probably more to do with his driving issues than anything.

The bit about the driving with no licence and no insurance while disqualified is slipped in at the end of the article! Of course the Gardai would have turned a blind eye to these 'minor' offences if he was less than 2km from home.
Good headline though RTE.

quokula

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

What? WHO said that covid-19 couldn't be passed from human to human? When was this?

Before the evidence emerged that it could.

Blueshoe

khalessi wrote: »

Who on rte live

https://youtu.be/vwS1tC9Mp00

ShayNanigan

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Dublin map https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438842475098112

Are these maps somewhere online or are they only for professionals? Would be interesting to see. I haven't heard of anyone being sick (or confirmed as having Covid-19) or seen anything out of the ordinary but looking at that map I'm most likely completely surrounded by cases (as are many of us).

growleaves

Also if someone's overweight to the point where it's a clear risk factor than they're not going to lose that weight overnight and suddenly be risk-free because they're running on footpaths once a day

They'd better get a start all the same. Get the oul belly down before the much-fantasised winter second wave/mutation hits in October.

DevilsHaircut

ShayNanigan wrote: »

Are these maps somewhere online or are they only for professionals? Would be interesting to see. I haven't heard of anyone being sick (or confirmed as having Covid-19) or seen anything out of the ordinary but looking at that map I'm most likely completely surrounded by cases (as are many of us).

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-updates.html#daily-updates

quokula

ShayNanigan wrote: »

Are these maps somewhere online or are they only for professionals? Would be interesting to see. I haven't heard of anyone being sick (or confirmed as having Covid-19) or seen anything out of the ordinary but looking at that map I'm most likely completely surrounded by cases (as are many of us).

There's over a million people in Dublin. Let's round it to a million. A few hundred dots will completely cover it up on a map at that scale, but that would still leave over 999 thousand unaffected.

jobeenfitz

Tony EH wrote: »

There was no chance for it to be isolated to China. Not with the way the world works. It was only a matter of time before some asymptomatic case flew somewhere with the virus.

Blaming the WHO for that is stupid.

As an organisation they may have made some missteps here and there at the beginning of this outbreak. But they're dealing with something that hasn't been seen in a century.

Trump's bollocks is about his petty trade war with China and pointing at someone else to apportion blame.

At the very best, it's unhelpful.

Not disagreeing with you on Trump but had Chinese lockdown Wuhan instead of letting millions go to all corners of the world after Chinese New year, maybe this could have been avoided?

BorneTobyWilde

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1250438838918344705

If you were to lay that over the motorway network you'd see all roads lead back to Dublin. The epicentre that no one would isolate, well it's too late now with their 2km zone from home, that was needed on day one.

ShayNanigan

quokula wrote: »

There's over a million people in Dublin. Let's round it to a million. A few hundred dots will completely cover it up on a map at that scale, but that would still leave over 999 thousand unaffected.

Let's not forget those are only the ones who have been tested. The real numbers are something else.

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

Some of them were absolute piss-takers, like the guy who allegedly sneezed towards a garda and shouted "there's your coronavirus".

In case's like this, Id love for the gards to be allowed to box the bleedin heads of these cnuts

Utter bastards

Kermit.de.frog

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you on Trump but had Chinese lockdown Wuhan instead of letting millions go to all corners of the world after Chinese New year, maybe this could have been avoided?

Indeed.

5 million people were allowed leave Wuhan for the Lunar Holiday and many travelled all over the world particularly with-in the Asia-Pacific region.

A disastrous decision made by Xi himself and the game was up then on containment.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

quokula wrote: »

Before the evidence emerged that it could.

How early are we talking here? How unequivocal were they? How many cases had they observed?

froog

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Isn't there a politics forum for Trump talk? Or any other leader for that matter except maybe Leo what with this being Ireland.

it's been stated several times by people and mods that this is not an ireland specific coronavirus thread, it's the main thread on a global pandemic. and if criticism of trump upsets people they should stay out of this thread, particularly in the evening when his coronavirus press conference happens.

Tony EH

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you on Trump but had Chinese lockdown Wuhan instead of letting millions go to all corners of the world after Chinese New year, maybe this could have been avoided?

Maybe. But they didn't. Nobody deserves a medal with their handling of this. But there's no way anyone could have had all the answers either, not even China. This is something that hasn't been seen for 100 years. There isn't any truly useful handbook on something like this, despite various models that have been produced over the years. But that's often the case where the theoretical meets the practical.

And bare in mind, we are only a few months into this. So technically, countries HAVE moved relatively quickly to tackle the pandemic. Including China.

But, the reality is, that it wouldn't have mattered what country this virus originated from, it more than likely would have spread, because of the natural initial confusion surrounding facts about it and because we live in a global situation nowadays where people can be half way across the planet in a matter of hours.

The above, coupled with the fact that the vast majority of Covid-19 cases are asymptomatic, meant that it was inevitable that this virus was going to spread relatively quickly and undetected at the beginning.

It's, frankly, impressive that things aren't a lot worse.

tobefrank321

quokula wrote: »

The EU-skeptic fallacy. Insists that the EU dictates everything to us. Complains that the EU doesn't dictate everything to us.

Got it wrong.

The EU dictates the shape of bananas but is unable to dictate the closure of borders to save tens of thousands of lives or even unwilling to advise this. Instead they leave it to individual states, many of whom don't know what to do, and would prefer not to be seen as bad Europeans. Buck passing all around.

You understand it now? Probably not!

There's no point having ambitions at being a federal superstate if leadership is always lacking come big crises.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

froog wrote: »

it's been stated several times by people and mods that this is not an ireland specific coronavirus thread, it's the main thread on a global pandemic. and if criticism of trump upsets people they should stay out of this thread, particularly in the evening when his coronavirus press conference happens.

I believe the mods have also told people who want to discuss politics in-depth to do so on the politics forum, if not on this thread then one of the previous ones. Nobody wants to see tedious back-and-forth on world leaders and general politics when they are looking for information about covid-19. There is a dedicated forum to do so.

I'll be reporting any excessive political posts of any hue that I see. Maybe nothing will be done but maybe it will. I'll be doing that instead of staying out of the thread.

Discussion of Trump's nightly update is different.