Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

podgeandrodge

Moron.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0415/1130713-covid-charged-break-restrictions/

fritzelly

Birx going on about helping out in Africa...hmmm

Kermit.de.frog

Meanwhile...in the real world

US coronavirus deaths top 30,000 - Reuters tally

Total US coronavirus deaths topped 30,000 on Wednesday, after a record single-day increase in COVID-19-related fatalities the prior day, according to a Reuters tally.

The United States reported 2,364 deaths on Tuesday, far above the previous daily high of 2,069 recorded on April 10, according to a Reuters tally.

US deaths on Wednesday stood at 30,039, up 1,593 with many states yet to report. Cases topped 615,000 in the United States and 2 million globally.
...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-30000-reuters-tally/ar-BB12GuzJ

Wibbs

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Someone should sit Trump down and make him watch this. Maybe he would realise he needs to be careful what he says to the millions who take his advice serious.

Thanks for putting this up.

Yeah yer man is very cool J; informative, but calm, with no hysterics or show boating and is not afraid to express doubt or grey areas in his opinion or the data. The latter in my experience and humble is a very good yardstick to judged the wisdom of someone's take and advice.

BorneTobyWilde

fritzelly wrote: »

Birx going on about helping out in Africa...hmmm

Trump be like, '' give them ventilators, and take the oil ''

Atlantic Dawn

owlbethere wrote: »

Nope. Cigarettes should be €100 euro a box. Or when all this disease blows over it would e a great opportunity for the government to phase out cigarettes and make Ireland smoke and cigarette free in 5/10 years time. The alternative for people who want to smoke would be the electric cigarettes. It's probably not for this thread.

6000 people a year die here from smoking related diseases yet the government takes massive tax from it, worse than drug money only bad can come from it.


https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/tobaccocontrol/kf/

Spanish Eyes

Wibbs wrote: »

IIRC SE, the medium that the vape juice is heated in is actually antiviral.

Tell Trump that and let him forget about his chloroquine drug stat.

Vaping everywhere now. Yee Haw.

ArmaniJeanss

easypazz wrote: »

CNN showing none of it.

The Trump press conference? It's been on CNN all this time, 206 on Virgin Media.

owlbethere

Nonoperational wrote: »

Just dropped in, can maybe shed some light on some of these points.





I can only give my side being a doctor in a large teaching hospital not a nurse in a midlands community hospital but thankfully my experience is miles from this. We have twice daily briefings where everything is out in the open. If there is any hint of COVID the patient is presumed positive until proven otherwise. I had a test on a Tuesday and got the results on a Wednesday as is the case for my colleagues. I'm taking a community hospital as being a nursing home type set up so that indeed could be very different.





I don't have any more detail on this than the age. Do you have a link to more details? Is it known he wasn't on 'life support'? Unfortunately some 23 year olds are also very sick and frail and this virus targets people with underlying conditions particularly harshly.




I'm not sure this is accurate about the UK, do you have a link? In Ireland we don't have such a rule. We are now doing CPR on anyone that required in in full PPE.

I guess this goes back to the nursing home and elderly patient discussion but a brief bit of background regarding CPR. Firstly in COVID the majority die of respiratory failure which put simply means the lungs do not extract enough oxygen from the air and pass it to blood. CPR will do nothing for this usually. CPR is generally a very poor and brutal procedure. Patients a lot of the time do not make it even if you get an initial ROSC (return of spontaneous circulation). It often causes broken ribs and trauma and severe psychological trauma to both patient (if they remember it) and staff. There are a few exceptions to what I have said (for example shockable broad complex tachycardia, for those interested).

But long story short if a patient arrests we will try and recuss if it might be useful. A lot of the time with COVID if won't be as it will be progressive ARDS that causes the arrest ultimately.

I don't have a link. It's from someone I know who's a nurse in the uk

Laois_Man

Just found out who the 2 healthcare workers from St. Lukes hospital in Kilkenny who died are. Didn't know the man - but the woman was a very nice lady who served food to my wife when she was a patient there. Very saddened.

froog

Wibbs wrote: »

IIRC SE, the medium that the vape juice is heated in is actually antiviral.

a lot of it might come from this 1942 study

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2135271/

It has been found that propylene glycol vapor dispersed into the air of an enclosed space produces a marked and rapid bactericidal effect on microorganisms introduced into such an atmosphere in droplet form. Concentrations of 1 gm. of propylene glycol vapor in two to four million cc. of air produced immediate and complete sterilization of air into which pneumococci, streptococci, staphylococci, H. influenzae, and other microorganisms as well as influenza virus had been sprayed. With lesser concentrations of propylene glycol, rapid and marked reduction in the number of air-borne bacteria occurred, but complete sterilization of the air required a certain interval of time. Pronounced effects on both pneumococci and hemolytic streptococci were observed when concentrations as low as 1 gm. of glycol to fifty million cc. of air were employed. Numerous control tests showed that failure of the glycol-treated microorganisms to grow on the agar plates was due to actual death of the bacteria. The means by which propylene glycol vapor produces its effect on droplet-borne bacteria is discussed and data relating the bactericidal properties of propylene glycol in vitro to the lethal action of its vapor is presented. Atmospheres containing propylene glycol vapor are invisible, odorless, and non-irritating. This glycol is essentially non-toxic when given orally and intravenously. Tests on possible deleterious effects of breathing propylene glycol containing atmospheres over long periods of time are being carried out.

Atlantic Dawn

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Moron.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0415/1130713-covid-charged-break-restrictions/

Not as bad as this race, some came from as far as London no less...
https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2020/0415/1130759-large-funeral/

Rob A. Bank

it's live !

timmy_mallet

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually T smokers may actually be less likely to catch this virus and/or progress to serious and in need of hospitalisation. This has been noted and heads have been scratching in China, Korea, the US, the UK about it. EG in China around 50% of men between ages 40 - 60 smoke, yet the numbers of men showing up in need of hospitalisation of the same age range showed smokers in the minority(5-20%), not the majority as one would quite understandably expect. In the US too. In recent CDC data in a sample group of over 7000 patients, 1.3% were smokers, yet the background rate of smoking is 13%, over ten times larger. Even though smoking massively increases the risks of comorbid conditions like COPD, cardiovascular disease and high blood pressure and being generally fecked as far as health goes, which alone should be making them many times more likely to succumb to this pox. But the numbers seem to suggest that maybe they're not.

Various hypotheses have been made about why this might be in play, if it is. Nicotine abusers have more ACE receptors, which was thought to be bad, but may actually not be, IIRC depending on whether they're up regulated or down(?). Nicotine showed anti inflammatory traits in mouse models suffering from ARDS. While it's an incredibly unhealthy habit to take up and not smoking is one of the best things anyone can do for their health, there's already some contradictory stuff with nicotine and disease. EG Ulcerative colitis an inflammatory disease is much rarer in smokers and if they get it they have milder symptoms and get it later in life than non smokers. They also suffer less from some forms of Parkinsons. It's also been noted for lessoning symptoms in many brain conditions like ADHD(Ritalin is similar in how it acts on the brain). ADHD was once thought to be primarily a condition of youth, but since most of us have gone healthy and given up the cigs, this turned out to not be true. In the old days, many would take up smoking and nicotine seems to have lessened their symptoms.

Put it this way, if those percentages are correct and there's some positive connection with nicotine, it's a more solid one than many of the "wonder drugs" that have been suggested.

Well, nicotine, perhaps. Smoking is, different.

CDC has contradictory advice and data on smokers then. Because they are also suggesting smokers are much more likely to require hospitalization and die.

Atlantic Dawn

Only 1 question...will someone ask him why he changed the hair colouring today?

Kermit.de.frog

We have GREAT tests, the BEST tests


Trump Tests

Atlantic Dawn

Wonder will Micheál Martin be doing daily pressers on the virus when he gets the temporary wheel next week?

ChikiChiki

Trump doesn't understand what tariffs are. More flagrant lies from him.

He is using the task force briefings as a platform to campaign for his presidency.

An absolute Grade A prick.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

Because they're as fucking dumb as a brick.

You can't say that! It's.. intelligentist... Stupid - shaming, definitely something-ist!

I respect people's right to be dumb as a brick and I will fight to the death for their right to express their insanely moronic opinions.
People like you won't be happy until every free man woman and child is CRUSHED beneath the JACKBOOT of EDUCATION!
Shame on you!

fritzelly

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Only 1 question...will someone ask him why he changed the hair colouring today?

Platinum blonde - its the new in colouring

fritzelly

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Wonder will Micheál Martin be doing daily pressers on the virus when he gets the temporary wheel next week?

God I hope not - unless late at night and I can't get to sleep

tobefrank321

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Half of the lockdown measures contribute little, the trick is in knowing which half.

Large sporting and cultural events such as concerts are a no-no unfortunately. Large weddings, funerals, also.

Rob A. Bank

Tha Word Bingo is back.

-Great
-Greatest
-Fantastic
-Incredible
-Tremendous
-Beautiful
-Phenomenal
-Like nobody ever seen before
-Fake nuzz
-Who would have thought
-People can’t believe
-Amazing
-Like you wouldn't believe/ thought possible
-Billions and billions and billions
-Brilliant
-We have/are the best...
-in history
-Believe me
-Number 1 in the world
-look at the numbers
-They're doing a great job
-This country is great
-Big
-CHI-NAH
-WHO
-We are not happy about it
-Good shape
-Millions
-Take advantage of us
-best in the world
-more than any other country in the world (usually a lie)
-rich
-A lotta people are saying/somebody said (followed by misinformation from Fox News)

ShineOn7

I realise this is the time of day when the daily thread goes Full Trump, and fair enough. Wanted to post this before bed though



Seen this on Reddit

Some stats:

New Cases: 657 + 411 from Germany
Total Cases: 12547
New Death: 38
Total Deaths: 444 - 284 in hospital, 43 in ICU
Male: 22
Female: 16
Median Age: 84
Underlying conditions: 28

Deaths

• Hospitalised + died in hospital: 284
• Died in ICU 43
• Underlying conditions 84%
• Male - 262; Female - 182
• Median age: 82
• Mean Age: 69 (Range 23-105)

Of 285 in ICU

• Remain in hospital: 158
• Discharged: 84
• Died: 43
• Underlying conditions: 230
• Median Age: 61

As of Monday 13th

• Cases: 11251
• Hospitalised: 1968
• In ICU: 280
• Deaths: 435
• Clusters: 413 - Account for 2024 cases
• Median age infected: 48
• Healthcare workers: 2872 - 26%

Clusters

• Nursing Homes: 159
• Death Nursing Homes: 245 (This is all deaths, not all confirmed as Covid via testing just yet)

• Deaths - most having been reported over last few cases, don't think any related to any of the German cases
• 1000 new cases today - peak? More detailed picture of disease tomorrow - don't think that the increases is due to peak, but more to increased testing. Positivity rate has stayed consistent
• What is the next step? Some of the labs don't have enough work. Are we going to relax testing criteria soon? Will be looking at this, don't think it will occur this week. Build sampling capacity, contact tracing capacity, testing capacity
• Nursing homes identified as priority area. Stepped up measures as challenges arose.
• Final batch of testing sent to Germany was sent today - this is a small figure.

Kermit.de.frog

The mayor of Los Angeles has said today the city will not be allowing any concerts, shows, sporting events or mass gatherings of any kind until 2021.

Expect this to be theme in the coming days.

patnor1011

Found on the internet:

Coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR (case fatality rate) higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen).

Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test.”

BOOM.

The One Doctor

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Wonder will Micheál Martin be doing daily pressers on the virus when he gets the temporary wheel next week?

Jesus, he's even less likeable than Leo. Comes across as a trollbot.

The One Doctor

patnor1011 wrote: »

Found on the internet:

Coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR (case fatality rate) higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen).

Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test.”

BOOM.

Ah bless the conspiracy theorists, for they will inherit Hell.

No govt will shut down an economy based on a lie or supposition. It would not be in their interest. In fact, it would be arguably better to ignore the human cost... but no sane govt would do that as they'd never be re-elected.

Bottom line - the govt is doing this because they have to.

Conspiracy theorists should have sex at least once every three months. I know they'd find it expensive, but needs must. Ok, Jim Corr could afford it more often, but still... the poor guy.

Arghus

Jesus Christ, Trump talks some wire.

He's loving this. Loads of media exposure for him every single day.

growleaves

I realise this is the time of day when the daily thread goes Full Trump, and fair enough.

You should never go Full Trump.

timmy_mallet

patnor1011 wrote: »

Found on the internet:

Coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR (case fatality rate) higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen).

Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test.”

BOOM.

This is interesting till you ask yourself why was the army required to take coffins out of hospitals in Itsly, etc.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

You can't say that! It's.. intelligentist... Stupid - shaming, definitely something-ist!

I respect people's right to be dumb as a brick and I will fight to the death for their right to express their insanely moronic opinions.
People like you won't be happy until every free man woman and child is CRUSHED beneath the JACKBOOT of EDUCATION!
Shame on you!

:pac:

In my 10+ years on this site, I've been called every "ist" under the sun, depending who was posting. But "something-ist" is definitely a new one.

You know, you can remedy ignorance and it's malady we all suffer from, from time to time.

But stupidity is incurable.

Years ago, though, stupid people stayed relatively isolated and somewhat quiet. But these days the internet tells them they're right and then they go out and exercise their stupidity.

froog

patnor1011 wrote: »

Found on the internet:

Coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR (case fatality rate) higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen).

Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test.”

BOOM.

how do you explain ICUs overflowing all over the world?

owlbethere

Trump, sorry to tell you and burst your bubble - the virus is not only in China. Its in Europe, Australia and New zealand.

Kermit.de.frog

Trump says they are examining the Wuhan lab and reports around the origin of the virus.

stephenjmcd

One day he gives out about China, the next day he praises then and now when asked about case numbers he asks do you really believe China.

Now none of us really do I know but still hes got a different agenda with China every day.

They can't really elect this again can they

Michael Dwyer

The One Doctor wrote: »

Jesus, he's even less likeable than Leo. Comes across as a trollbot.

What is a 'trollbot'?

Atlantic Dawn

It would be gold if a reporter asked Trump if he will be buying any of Iran's latest apparatus to detect the virus at 100 metres in 5 seconds...



https://ifpnews.com/iran-develops-smart-system-detect-coronavirus-5-seconds

wakka12

patnor1011 wrote: »

Found on the internet:

Coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR (case fatality rate) higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen).

Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test.”

BOOM.

Just because this new disease is from the same family of viruses as the common and usually mild coronavirus doesnt mean it has the same impact. The Spanish flu was also just another influenza, a family of diseases which most of the world recover from annually.

Also I just dont understand who benefits from this manufactured pandemic. Who is pulling all these strings? All the governments of every country in the world conspiring in such an efficiently synchronised manner, pretty amazing

silverharp

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It would be gold if a reporter asked Trump if he will be buying any of Iran's latest apparatus to detect the virus at 100 metres in 5 seconds...


https://ifpnews.com/iran-develops-smart-system-detect-coronavirus-5-seconds

I think Iran is having a mental breakdown , do they have any moving statues there?

fritzelly

Do the reporters not get a mike anymore?

Kermit.de.frog

President Chump's rally is over for this evening.

Tony EH

stephenjmcd wrote: »

One day he gives out about China, the next day he praises then and now when asked about case numbers he asks do you really believe China.

Now none of us really do I know but still hes got a different agenda with China every day.

They can't really elect this again can they

I think Trump may have read a little bit about Nixon's antics and thinks it's the best way to proceed.

stephenjmcd

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

President Chump's rally is over for this evening.

He's in full election mode, 500 million not going into WHO, we've been treated badly.

You couldn't make this up

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

:pac:

In my 10+ years on this site, I've been called every "ist" under the sun, depending who was posting. But "something-ist" is definitely a new one.

You know, you can remedy ignorance and it's malady we all suffer from, from time to time.

But stupidity is incurable.

Years ago, though, stupid people stayed relatively isolated and somewhat quiet. But these days the internet tells them they're right and then they go out and exercise their stupidity.

OK. That's it. You're CANCELLED! Bye bye Tony.

Quantum Erasure

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Wonder will Micheál Martin be doing daily pressers on the virus when he gets the temporary wheel next week?

think it was said it could take another month and a half or two months to actually form a government

eagle eye

Did the WHO come up in Trump's presser tonight?

Cody montana

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

President Chump's rally is over for this evening.

It was less insane tonight?

Funsterdelux

patnor1011 wrote: »

Found on the internet:

Coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
D.........

Bla bla bla........ for which there is no accurate test.”

BOOM.

You lost me at found

Kermit.de.frog

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It would be gold if a reporter asked Trump if he will be buying any of Iran's latest apparatus to detect the virus at 100 metres in 5 seconds...



https://ifpnews.com/iran-develops-smart-system-detect-coronavirus-5-seconds

That's gotta be a piss take?



Is it April 1st?