Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

keynes

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Coveney always had his ambitions on getting a UN gig. Varadkar wants an EU gig. They will put all of our wellbeing at risk to get themselves there.

The day Slovenia closed their border to Italy, the likes of Pascal Donohue and Harris were banging on about hurting Italian peoples feelings and free movement is at the core of the EU. And Slovenia, considering their proximity have done a tremendous job.

There is a clique there that are absolutely brainwashed by the EU.

Even when they're closing their borders on us, we're still open to them. The level of sycophancy is bordering on pathological

fritzelly

Curious_Case wrote: »

That looks like something from an Aldi or Lidl brochure

Party table* with built in barbecue, stereo bluetooth speakers & handheld satellite receiver
All that's missing is a turntable
*Urban guerilla gear sold separately

Something like this might be better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTK8eff1Zsk

patnor1011

xabi wrote: »

I would like to see proof that the current test is detecting all coronavirus.

Incidentally me too. Like where did I say that?
Some people should read twice or perhaps three times and then answer or react.

patnor1011

eagle eye wrote: »

Plenty of mistakes made by him during this pandemic, add the Children's hospital fiasco and it's easy to see how he has earned that nickname.

Yeah, like everyone is a capable general after the battle.
That guy is doing what he can. He is not a king or dictator and some decisions need a lot of discussions and infighting inside government.
Can we do better? Probably yes but we can do much worse too.

fritzelly

patnor1011 wrote: »

Incidentally me too. Like where did I say that?
Some people should read twice or perhaps three times and then answer or react.

A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen

Look for your facts beyond Facebook

eagle eye

patnor1011 wrote:

Yeah, like everyone is a capable general after the battle. That guy is doing what he can. He is not a king or dictator and some decisions need a lot of discussions and infighting inside government. Can we do better? Probably yes but we can do much worse too.

To be fair he should have been removed from the post after the Children's hospital fiasco.

xabi

patnor1011 wrote: »

Incidentally me too. Like where did I say that?
Some people should read twice or perhaps three times and then answer or react.

It’s in the text you copied “from the internet“, do you believe what was said in it?

PTH2009

Are security forces still doing there jobs ???

What's stopping an under the radar terrorist attack in a major city as soon as lockdown is ended

patnor1011

eagle eye wrote: »

To be fair he should have been removed from the post after the Children's hospital fiasco.

That is correct. But he cant be solely blamed for current situation.

patnor1011

xabi wrote: »

It’s in the text you copied “from the internet“, do you believe what was said in it?

Do you know which test is being used and how it is being used?
When you will dig deeper you will find some interesting things.

Polar101

There was a small antibody study done in Finland, they took samples of people who attended hospital for non-coronavirus related issues. This was done over three weeks (March 23rd, March 30th, April 6th). The first week's samples had 0.7% positives for Coronavirus antibodies, 2nd week had none, and 3rd week had 3.4%.

It was only ~150 samples per week, but it could indicate the actual number of infected people in the area are dozens of times higher than detected. This was in the greater Helsinki area hospital district, where they currently have about 2000 confirmed infections.

Source:
https://thl.fi/en/web/thlfi-en/-/number-of-people-with-coronavirus-infections-may-be-dozens-of-times-higher-than-the-number-of-confirmed-cases?redirect=%2Fen%2Fweb%2Fthlfi-en

Strazdas

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Coveney always had his ambitions on getting a UN gig. Varadkar wants an EU gig. They will put all of our wellbeing at risk to get themselves there.

The day Slovenia closed their border to Italy, the likes of Pascal Donohue and Harris were banging on about hurting Italian peoples feelings and free movement is at the core of the EU. And Slovenia, considering their proximity have done a tremendous job.

There is a clique there that are absolutely brainwashed by the EU.

Did they? The Slovenian closing of several border crossings with Italy was barely even mentioned in the Irish media.

That was the same day the St Patrick's Festival was cancelled and 48 hours before the schools were closed

poppers

Saw this on donegal daily website for location of cases cannot find origial on line

BorneTobyWilde

fritzelly wrote: »

I'm a little behind on the Trump presser but is he making a play to lead the WHO should he not get another term?

He'll get his second term, and then Ivanka will be President, or Trump junior, he's already putting the 2024 vibe out there.
Truth is Trumps will be in office for next 20 years plus.

fritzelly

poppers wrote: »

Saw this on donegal daily website for location of cases cannot find origial on line

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-updates.html#daily-updates

Kermit.de.frog

eagle eye wrote: »

Plenty of mistakes made by him during this pandemic, add the Children's hospital fiasco and it's easy to see how he has earned that nickname.

I'm talking about Simon Coveney

ceadaoin.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Truth is Trumps will be in office for next 20 years plus.

No they wont. calm down there.

kowloon

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why are you calling him "simple"?

Seems a very clever and capable man to me.

It's the new way of marking political enemies: Crooked Hilary, Crazy Bernie Sanders etc. It's schoolyard stuff for people too stupid to make a proper argument.

Quantum Erasure

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

President Chump's rally is over for this evening.

...



:pac:

blade1

kowloon wrote: »

It's the new way of marking political enemies: Crooked Hilary, Crazy Bernie Sanders etc. It's schoolyard stuff for people too stupid to make a proper argument.

My favourite is Sleepy Joe Biden.

RobertKK

Polar101 wrote: »

There was a small antibody study done in Finland, they took samples of people who attended hospital for non-coronavirus related issues. This was done over three weeks (March 23rd, March 30th, April 6th). The first week's samples had 0.7% positives for Coronavirus antibodies, 2nd week had none, and 3rd week had 3.4%.

It was only ~150 samples per week, but it could indicate the actual number of infected people in the area are dozens of times higher than detected. This was in the greater Helsinki area hospital district, where they currently have about 2000 confirmed infections.

Source:
https://thl.fi/en/web/thlfi-en/-/number-of-people-with-coronavirus-infections-may-be-dozens-of-times-higher-than-the-number-of-confirmed-cases?redirect=%2Fen%2Fweb%2Fthlfi-en

The Porvoo area of Finland was the worst affected which is east of Helsinki.
I have a Finnish friend who was telling me the people in that county where he lived were not allowed to leave their county as they had the bulk of the cases.

RobertKK

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1250543067549118464?s=21

Well it was a Simon Harris initiative so all the talk about tens of thousands and why it went silent is due to most not being suitable. 14,000 out of 72,000 deemed suitable and of the 14,000 only 1,300 are in the process of being made available.

maninasia

growleaves wrote: »

Taiwan had a set of unique restrictions based on SARS which had nothing to do with lockdown in the W. European sense. They didn't confine people to their houses or shut down economic activity (every article about Taiwan says 'restaurants, bars, schools, universities and offices remain open'.)

They had border controls, comprehensive testing, early contact tracing, and an early ramp up in mask production.

There is no and has never been any lockdown in Taiwan. Neither for SARS in 2003 or Covid now.
They use strict quarantine and immigration control, contact tracing , minimal testing and mandatory usage of masks in many places , also temp testing and social distancing. They never let community transmission take off so no need for lockdown, kids still in school people still working . No new local cases today again.

maninasia

is_that_so wrote: »

That would the lessons from SARS back in 2003, which we now have, for the next time.

https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Category/ListContent/bg0g_VU_Ysrgkes_KRUDgQ?uaid=u1D6dRGtmP4Q5YA1GmSKIw

Partly . But it's also the political willpower to take controversial decisions early on. Taiwan banned all entry of Chinese , HKers and Macau months ago. Extended school holidays way back at start of Feb.
Also started quarantining people early on and surveying all incoming visitors.

You need to have a leader who is willing to lead. It's not like those decisions are accepted off the bat ! Taiwan is a democracy there are different interests and voices. Quality of leadership very much matters.

Leo and Co allowed flights to come in from Italy when the epidemic was already widespread there. Didn't ban flights, didn't quarantine people, didn't even question them coming in . The reasons, pressure from the EU and business people at home. Leaders need to take tough decisions.

You need to quarantine people coming in and enforce the quarantine. Taiwan had 50k people under strict home quarantine at one point. If you don't quarantine incoming people they can always start another cluster of infection .

Madness !

Discodog

RobertKK wrote: »

The Porvoo area of Finland was the worst affected which is east of Helsinki.
I have a Finnish friend who was telling me the people in that county where he lived were not allowed to leave their county as they had the bulk of the cases.

The whole Helsinki & surrounding area was sealed off. But people can travel where they like now.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

You can't believe anything from CNN or Fox. CNN is pro-Democrat, Fox pro-Republicsn.

The greatest successful lie perpetrated by the republicans in the US is that CNN and Fox are the same but opposite. You could argue MSNBC and Fox, however even there MSNBC tend to report facts, even if they do have a certain spin. Fox is just lies and propaganda

Funsterdelux

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1250543067549118464?s=21

Well it was a Simon Harris initiative so all the talk about tens of thousands and why it went silent is due to most not being suitable. 14,000 out of 72,000 deemed suitable and of the 14,000 only 1,300 are in the process of being made available.

If you think of it as (/100) 13 jobs, 140 were most suitable out of 720 applicants, a few years back that would have been the norm.

whisky_galore

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Coveney always had his ambitions on getting a UN gig. Varadkar wants an EU gig. They will put all of our wellbeing at risk to get themselves there.

The day Slovenia closed their border to Italy, the likes of Pascal Donohue and Harris were banging on about hurting Italian peoples feelings and free movement is at the core of the EU. And Slovenia, considering their proximity have done a tremendous job.

There is a clique there that are absolutely brainwashed by the EU.

NZ 9 deaths only due to prompt action.

Here +400 deaths because free movement, business and oh whatever will our EU neighbours think?

otnomart

Interesting chart re: density and urban factors
Cumulative mortality rates in 6 metropolitan regions

source: https://twitter.com/signorellicarlo/status/1250645121344909312

Refractions

Funsterdelux wrote: »

If you think of it as (/100) 13 jobs, 140 were most suitable out of 720 applicants, a few years back that would have been the norm.

The system is coping ok and the applicants simply are not needed yet. Citywest remains empty. Ireland On Call was part of a doomsday scenario.

Carbon125

A graph for those who still think that Covid-19 is "just the flu":

Cork Boy 53

Apologies if this has been answered already but how much of a backlog of German lab tests still remains?

RugbyLad11

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1250543067549118464?s=21

Well it was a Simon Harris initiative so all the talk about tens of thousands and why it went silent is due to most not being suitable. 14,000 out of 72,000 deemed suitable and of the 14,000 only 1,300 are in the process of being made available.

It seems like it was more of a PR exercise to make everyone feel like they are desperately needed and can help.

He was saying everyone needs to apply as they are needed

weldoninhio

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why are you calling him "simple"?

Seems a very clever and capable man to me.

He wouldn't stop flights from coming into Ireland from Italy in case it hurts Italians feelings. :rolleyes:

I'd qualify that as simple during a pandemic with it's European epicentre in Italy.

jill_valentine

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It seems like it was more of a PR exercise to make everyone feel like they are desperately needed and can help.

He was saying everyone needs to apply as they are needed

A lot of the posts this kind of recruitment drive would be great for would be the kinds of admin used to process this kind of recruitment drive... :pac:

My flatmate signed up, he's a fairly ideal candid having worked in healthcare abroad. He's been given holding contact a few times, ie "We're struggling to get through everyone who signed up but we haven't forgotten you"

While I assumed it was primarily a PR thing, I don't find it difficult to believe they got more applicants than expected and they're still working through them, it's a fairly unprecedented program and the need for extraordinary support staff will be long term, having that kind of register is an asset for stuff like that. Anyone who's applied for a civil service role before will be familiar with their slightly infuriating panel system.

cloudatlas

Conor is arguing with Sinead O'Connor now: https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2020/04/conor-mcgregor-sinead-oconnor-spar-ireland-coronavirus-debate-racism-allegation-ufc-mma

is_that_so

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been answered already but how much of a backlog of German lab tests still remains?

A small batch was what the CMO said last night without being specific.

is_that_so

weldoninhio wrote: »

He wouldn't stop flights from coming into Ireland from Italy in case it hurts Italians feelings. :rolleyes:

I'd qualify that as simple during a pandemic with it's European epicentre in Italy.

He actually pointed out the uselessness of it as people could have flown in from elsewhere in pre-lockdown days in Italy. Evidence on the efficacy of such a measure is dubious anyway. Here's a piece on the US "ban".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2020/03/12/italy-banned-flights-from-china-before-americait-didnt-work/

dundalkfc10

is_that_so wrote: »

A small batch was what the CMO said last night without being specific.

So they wouldn't give a proper answer

Wombatman

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The mayor of Los Angeles has said today the city will not be allowing any concerts, shows, sporting events or mass gatherings of any kind until 2021.

Expect this to be theme in the coming days.

Fake news alert.

Garcetti indicated during the conference call that “large gatherings such as concerts and sporting events may not be approved in the city for at least 1 year,” according to the email.

BanditLuke

Deleted User wrote: »

The greatest successful lie perpetrated by the republicans in the US is that CNN and Fox are the same but opposite. You could argue MSNBC and Fox, however even there MSNBC tend to report facts, even if they do have a certain spin. Fox is just lies and propaganda

Come on now they are a propaganda unit for the democrats every much as fox is for the republicans.

is_that_so

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So they wouldn't give a proper answer

What I've learnt from the CMO is that if he has the number he'll give it. They were down to about 6K outstanding tests at the beginning of the week and they expected it to be cleared this week.

speckle

bekker wrote: »

Not really correct, mouth-to-mouth is out, otherwise compression and defib OK but take precautions, especially defib cloth over mouth etc.

https://www.resus.org.uk/media/statements/resuscitation-council-uk-statements-on-covid-19-coronavirus-cpr-and-resuscitation/covid-community/

As a person trained in CPR/defib in the community, the HSE needs to have the equivalent on their website. I have had to make my own decision, in line with my own conscience which pretty much ties in with the above. And obtained the PPE in early february. Most community trained Cpr'ers wont have the ppe. Maybe a set of Ppe also needs to placed with every defib?

smelly sock

Carbon125 wrote: »

A graph for those who still think that Covid-19 is "just the flu":

I love a good graph.

Just to reiterate we are still in a situation where only 0.03% of the world have been infected with this.


To me a few things stick out from that.

1. Lockdowns are working

2. Perhaps this disease isn't as contagious as we think.

3. Maybe testing is really low. If so we have to ask ourselves the question as to why. Perhaps this isn't as critical as we are being led to believe.

stephenjmcd

Some interesting comments coming out of Holland
"A study of Dutch blood donors has found that around 3% have developed antibodies against the new coronavirus, health authorities said, an indication of what percentage of the Dutch population may have already had the disease.

The head of the National Institute for Health (RIVM), Jaapvan Dissel, disclosed the results during a debate withparliament.

"This study shows that about 3% of Dutch people have developed antibodies against the coronavirus," Van Dissel said."You can calculate from that, it's several hundred thousand people" in a country of 17 million."

There are 28,158 confirmed coronavirus cases in the Netherlands, but only the very ill and healthcare workers are currently being tested.

hawkelady

smelly sock wrote: »

I love a good graph.

Just to reiterate we are still in a situation where only 0.03% of the world have been infected with this.


To me a few things stick out from that.

1. Lockdowns are working

2. Perhaps this disease isn't as contagious as we think.

3. Maybe testing is really low. If so we have to ask ourselves the question as to why. Perhaps this isn't as critical as we are being led to believe.

Listen up smelly, I’m fairly sure your number 2 is BS. I personally know nurses on ventilators at this minute infected by covid19 , they were well aware of the disease and they know how to use ppe properly .. they got infected in work ..
please don’t spout nonsense about you thinking it’s not really contagious. Cop on..

Stateofyou

smelly sock wrote: »

I love a good graph.

Just to reiterate we are still in a situation where only 0.03% of the world have been infected with this.


To me a few things stick out from that.

1. Lockdowns are working

2. Perhaps this disease isn't as contagious as we think.

3. Maybe testing is really low. If so we have to ask ourselves the question as to why. Perhaps this isn't as critical as we are being led to believe.

Why and how on earth can anyone question this at this point.

silverharp

interesting

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1250677414621052928

caveat emptor

Great to see some leaders really understand the reproductive number. Fun fact, you can only estimate the R0 number effectively by testing effectively.

Wonder what the margin of error is on the R0 number. Must be massive. Big difference between 1.1 and 1.0. That's why we must err on side of caution. with regards easing restrictions. We should also wear masks. If you can interrupt one line of transmission then we should.

https://twitter.com/BenjAlvarez1/status/1250563198081740800?s=20

Cork Boy 53

smelly sock wrote: »

I love a good graph.

Just to reiterate we are still in a situation where only 0.03% of the world have been infected with this.


To me a few things stick out from that.

1. Lockdowns are working

2. Perhaps this disease isn't as contagious as we think.

3. Maybe testing is really low. If so we have to ask ourselves the question as to why. Perhaps this isn't as critical as we are being led to believe.

I can`t believe anyone still seriously believes this nonsense and frankly I don`t think you really do either.