Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

wakka12

silverharp wrote: »

but they are on the lower end , Brazil is 9 deaths per million. Florida is 35 but there maybe specific issues with nursing homes and retirement communities, if they arent out and about they arent benefiting from the climate advantages

Brazil has had 2000 deaths in the last 14 days, it may be on the lower end currently but is one of fastest growing death rates in the world, Mexico has also reported nearly 500 deaths in the last fortnight, Ecuador is also likely experiencing thousands of deaths

Kermit.de.frog

Poor Singapore reports 942 new cases, they had it suppressed for so long

Now finds itself at the beginning in the acceleration phase.

ChikiChiki

silverharp wrote: »

but they are on the lower end , Brazil is 9 deaths per million. Florida is 35 but there maybe specific issues with nursing homes and retirement communities, if they arent out and about they arent benefiting from the climate advantages

Most definitely cannot trust Brazils numbers. The place is in chaos.

Hector Savage

Hector Savage wrote: »

So to summarise :
Japan back to lockdown after explosion in cases again.
Lockdowns in Italy and Spain failing spectacularly.
Antibody tests useless ....

This is a crock of ****, I once thought this would go on for months - I am thinking years at this stage, 3-4 years of this ****ing ****..


**** THOSE CHINESE *****!!

Was that you outside the take away in Galway the other evening?

walshb

Reading on page 2 the Indo about Covid patients who recovered...

What’s the craic with nurses?

One said she developed sinus issues and headaches, but never thought it could be Covid because of no cough or fever. Went about her business and went to work on several days...severe tiredness on days that she went into work..

Surely nurses knew that you did not have to have any one particular symptom?

She said the red flag was only raised when she was told a doctor that she had been in contact with had tested positive..

She never even thought that the sinus and headaches and tiredness were a possible Covid issue?

I don’t know, the more I am reading this, the more great stories I hear, but also the more incredulous and silly type stories..

This nurse work in the respiratory field...

jackboy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Poor Singapore reports 942 new cases, they had it suppressed for so long

Now finds itself at the beginning in the acceleration phase.

It doesn’t matter how much it is suppressed. Once restrictions are lifted one contagious person can infect a significant part of a whole country. Restrictions only control the virus if they are never ending.

Blueshoe

wakka12 wrote: »

Brazil has had 2000 deaths in the last 14 days, it may be on the lower end currently but is one of fastest growing death rates in the world, Mexico has also reported nearly 500 deaths in the last fortnight, Ecuador is also likely experiencing thousands of deaths

Time to build a wall between south America and Europe?
The one between Europe and Africa is better and more secure than anything Trump could dream about. It's a fortress

ek motor

silverharp wrote: »

but they are on the lower end , Brazil is 9 deaths per million. Florida is 35 but there maybe specific issues with nursing homes and retirement communities, if they arent out and about they arent benefiting from the climate advantages

Brazil testing at a rate of 296 per million population. Impossible to gauge the true scale of the pandemic in that country with testing at such a low level. Their death rate is likely to be significantly higher.

Kermit.de.frog

Reported cases and fatalities accelerate in Mexico. The country suffers from severe restrictions on it's testing capacity and the government estimates actual cases are now closer to 26,000 rather than the 6,785 recorded so far.

They report 578 new cases and 60 new fatalities in last 24 hours.

As sure as night follows day it can't be long before Trump eyes the situation there as a distraction for his base.

wakka12

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-no-evidence-that-covid-19-survivors-have-immunity-who-warns-11975011

WHO warns that there is currently no evidence that survivors of COVID are immune to reinfection

Huge ethical issues surrounding reintroduction of recovered patients into normal society when they may still be suspectible to the disease but think they are protected

Blueshoe

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/17/pompeo-u-s-asking-china-for-access-to-wuhan-lab-to-determine-coronavirus-origins/

Pompeo requests access to Wuhan bio lab

smelly sock

https://www.thejournal.ie/dr-tony-holohan-we-think-weve-flattened-that-curve-so-much-that-there-is-no-peak-5077707-Apr2020/

Good man Tony. That'll stick in the throat of some of the dooms day merchants on here.

Kermit.de.frog

Spain reports 565 new fatalities, down from 585 yesterday.

3,658 new cases.

Lower than expected.

The number of deaths passed 20,000.

giveitholly

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Spain reports 565 new fatalities, down from 585 yesterday.

3,658 new cases.

Lower than expected.

Would that be the weekend affect,usually lower on a weekend?

polesheep

walshb wrote: »

Reading on page 2 the Indo about Covid patients who recovered...

What’s the craic with nurses?

One said she developed sinus issues and headaches, but never thought it could be Covid because of no cough or fever. Went about her business and went to work on several days...severe tiredness on days that she went into work..

Surely nurses knew that you did not have to have any one particular symptom?

She said the red flag was only raised when she was told a doctor that she had been in contact with had tested positive..

She never even thought that the sinus and headaches and tiredness were a possible Covid issue?

I don’t know, the more I am reading this, the more great stories I hear, but also the more incredulous and silly type stories..

This nurse work in the respiratory field...

If every nurse or doctor that had a sniffle or a touch of sinusitis stayed home from work the health service would have collapsed. And what about hay fever? Should all doctors and nurses suffering during the hay fever season stay home?

shinzon

smelly sock wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/dr-tony-holohan-we-think-weve-flattened-that-curve-so-much-that-there-is-no-peak-5077707-Apr2020/

Good man Tony. That'll stick in the throat of some of the dooms day merchants on here.

We think

Just leave that there


Shin

smelly sock

shinzon wrote: »

Just leave that there


Shin

Ah ye lets not be positive anyway

polesheep

wakka12 wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-no-evidence-that-covid-19-survivors-have-immunity-who-warns-11975011

WHO warns that there is currently no evidence that survivors of COVID are immune to reinfection

Huge ethical issues surrounding reintroduction of recovered patients into normal society when they may still be suspectible to the disease but think they are protected

And there is no evidence that they are not. Immunity is the default.

zinfandel

smelly sock wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/dr-tony-holohan-we-think-weve-flattened-that-curve-so-much-that-there-is-no-peak-5077707-Apr2020/

Good man Tony. That'll stick in the throat of some of the dooms day merchants on here.

are there more tests still to come from Germany or has that backlog been cleared?

Deaths peaked 10 days ago according to Hoolahan last night. Great news.

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan has produced a new graph that shows a different story about the number of daily deaths in Ireland from Covid-19 to date.

He explained that what the National Public Health Emergency Team reports on a daily basis, is the number of deaths notified to them on any particular day rather than the numbers who actually died on that day.

He said that it can take a few days or even longer before any particular death is actually notified to them.

The new graph depicts the pattern of daily deaths that actually took place when the real timing of when the deaths occurred is accounted for.

This new analysis paints a very different picture to that suggested by the figures published to date.


It shows that daily deaths actually peaked ten days ago on 7 April at 39 deaths, although the reported total that day was 36.

Link here
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0418/1132271-deaths-covid-holohan/

Also

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1251401794527399936?s=20

ek motor

wakka12 wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-no-evidence-that-covid-19-survivors-have-immunity-who-warns-11975011

WHO warns that there is currently no evidence that survivors of COVID are immune to reinfection

Huge ethical issues surrounding reintroduction of recovered patients into normal society when they may still be suspectible to the disease but think they are protected

This is THE question.

madcabbage

Slightly concerning that it's now they come out with that statement regarding immunity. Surely its a case of those who were infected just getting a rebout and never fully recovered to begin with?

poppers

zinfandel wrote: »

are there more tests still to come from Germany or has that backlog been cleared?

Think backlog more or less cleared but they plan to send current samples for testing

ek motor

polesheep wrote: »

And there is no evidence that they are not. Immunity is the default.

Sure but how long will the immunity last ? Will it be months or years ? There hasn't been enough time to research the answers to this yet, so the answer is 'we don't know'

owlbethere

wakka12 wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-no-evidence-that-covid-19-survivors-have-immunity-who-warns-11975011

WHO warns that there is currently no evidence that survivors of COVID are immune to reinfection

Huge ethical issues surrounding reintroduction of recovered patients into normal society when they may still be suspectible to the disease but think they are protected

This doesn't look like good news, at all. At this stage we need a let up from the virus. We need to see something positive and a light at the end of the tunnel.

walshb

polesheep wrote: »

If every nurse or doctor that had a sniffle or a touch of sinusitis stayed home from work the health service would have collapsed. And what about hay fever? Should all doctors and nurses suffering during the hay fever season stay home?

Severe tiredness, sinus issues and headaches..and she went into work several days with these symptoms, and never thought it could be Covid? That is staggeringly ignorant.

FFS...these are nurses...

What effing chance has the lay person when people in the health field are so ignorant of this illness?

Your point is nonsense, because not every doctor and nurse has or had her symptoms..

She was quite clear on what symptoms she had. Not just a sniffle!

Kermit.de.frog

While the Irish experience is positive so far it is worth reminding everyone that that is under conditions of suppression.

Nothing has changed from the beginning of March that suggests a renewed surge would not occur if those measures were lifted.

So yes, good news but it's important people are not mislead as to the gravity of the situation either and why the measures have to remain in place.

The question is how to manage containment going forward and that is far from clear.

Choices have to be made with precision...

What can be allowed to be relaxed without creating a renewed surge?

And always with the caveat that restrictions be reimposed if a sustained rise in cases emerges.

ek motor

owlbethere wrote: »

This doesn't look like good news, at all. At this stage we need a let up from the virus. We need to see something positive and a light at the end of the tunnel.

Close the laptop, turn off the phone, and go out for a walk. Thats what I'm about to do !

BanditLuke

wakka12 wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-no-evidence-that-covid-19-survivors-have-immunity-who-warns-11975011

WHO warns that there is currently no evidence that survivors of COVID are immune to reinfection

Huge ethical issues surrounding reintroduction of recovered patients into normal society when they may still be suspectible to the disease but think they are protected

Like a massive kick in the balls that.

MD1990

owlbethere wrote: »

This doesn't look like good news, at all. At this stage we need a let up from the virus. We need to see something positive and a light at the end of the tunnel.

John Campbell has a video later that has evidence people are immune.

Large mjaority are immune . Video will be out later.
Oxford may have a vaccine in september also. Unlikely but seems to be going well.

ICU numbers going down too. Spain improving quite alot now too.
So some good positives last few days.

I think near the end of May many countries will start lifting some restrictions.

owlbethere

BanditLuke wrote: »

Michigan, Virginia and Minnesota have all experienced anti-lockdown protests. Banners held up reading 'Land of the free'. Armed protesters in Michigan!

They're going to end up in huge trouble if these protests bloom. The numbers are going to end up seriously scary there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b6GvszlkR0&app=desktop

Trump imo will do anything now to get re-elected, if his base turn on him and given there maybe truth in the bio-lab story i think he'll push that angle now and they could well end up in a non conventional war with China possibly cyber as well as massive sanctions.

Its worrying from Trump. This isn't a time for causing conflict with China. He needs to cop on and deal with the tasks at hand that covid19 is causing instead of stirring the pot. Is there anyone to talk sense to him?

BanditLuke

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/17/pompeo-u-s-asking-china-for-access-to-wuhan-lab-to-determine-coronavirus-origins/

Pompeo requests access to Wuhan bio lab

And here we go.

Gynoid

walshb wrote: »

Reading on page 2 the Indo about Covid patients who recovered...

What’s the craic with nurses?

One said she developed sinus issues and headaches, but never thought it could be Covid because of no cough or fever. Went about her business and went to work on several days...severe tiredness on days that she went into work..

...

Yikes. Did not know they could be the only symptoms. I am suffering really badly with the oddest headache, sinus pains, ears stuffed up and feeling strange, dizziness, even numbness in my head and very tired for past week.
I kind of HOPE it is this damn disease! I want them antibodies! If there are any to be had at all!!

walshb

Gynoid wrote: »

Yikes. Did not know they could be the only symptoms. I am suffering really badly with the oddest headache, sinus pains, ears stuffed up and feeling strange, dizziness, even numbness in my head and very tired for past week.
I kind of HOPE it is this damn disease! I want them antibodies! If there are any to be had at all!!

It’s been highlighted clearly that you do not necessarily need to have any one particular symptom..

This nurse had three clear and noticeable symptoms, but because no fever and cough, she thought all is dandy...

I can’t get my head around this ignorance..

owlbethere

walshb wrote: »

Severe tiredness, sinus issues and headaches..and she went into work several days with these symptoms, and never thought it could be Covid? That is staggeringly ignorant.

FFS...these are nurses...

What effing chance has the lay person when people in the health field are so ignorant of this illness?

Your point is nonsense, because not every doctor and nurse has or had her symptoms..

She was quite clear on what symptoms she had. Not just a sniffle!

She probably would have associated tiredness with long work days.

silverharp

Kind of similar to the US carrier

https://twitter.com/FabiKrauer/status/1251432626818293760

wakka12

Surprisingly Portugal is now beginning to open up smaller business and construction sites again. Despite recording nearly 850 new cases and 60 deaths over the last 48 hours, but perhaps there is more to it than people outside the country would know, maybe most of the new cases are witin care homes and hospitals like Ireland and community transmission has largely ended.

Drumpot

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

While the Irish experience is positive so far it is worth reminding everyone that that is under conditions of suppression.

Nothing has changed from the beginning of March that suggests a renewed surge would not occur if those measures were lifted.

So yes, good news but it's important people are not mislead as to the gravity of the situation either and why the measures have to remain in place.

The question is how to manage containment going forward and that is far from clear.

It looks like it’s about keeping the numbers to a manageable level and that’s the way it’s gonna be for sometime. We can’t really stop it once it’s so widespread around the world/Europe. We can’t close our borders for years as this virus plays out. Once our hospitals are not over run and can look after waves of increase/decreases in numbers I would expect tiered shut downs (on/off) until a better alternative comes out.

There is no way this Current sort of lockdown can continue for the summer, just not possible. Eventually the economy would become a bigger issue and for the greater good we would have to re-open and just live with the consequences. I’m not saying this is necessarily the right way but triage is triage, you work out what and who you can save.

\Rant. I endorse trying to save our most vulnerable for as long as possible. I am not comfortable at all at the fact that we may get to a scenario where there will possibly be as much or more damage through an economic catastrophe but that’s capitalism at its finest. You are forced to choose monetary policy over people, sure look at capitalist central in good old USA. The funny thing about them quoting such a huge amount of people dieing from flu over there is that this number is so big because of their two tiered health system , not because that many people need to die from the flu. Capitalism can be great but it can also be disgusting, comparable with countries with terrible human rights records. Since we all endorse it, we ignore it. Rant/

eagle eye

owlbethere wrote:

Its worrying from Trump. This isn't a time for causing conflict with China. He needs to cop on and deal with the tasks at hand that covid19 is causing instead of stirring the pot. Is there anyone to talk sense to him?

He was up on twitter yesterday saying Liberate Michigan, liberate Minnesota, last berate Virginia and save your great 2nd amendment rights. He shouldn't be doing that.

He is right to cause conflict with China, they need to be buried after this.

Gynoid

walshb wrote: »

It’s been highlighted clearly that you do not necessarily need to have any one particular symptom..

This nurse had three clear and noticeable symptoms, but because no fever and cough, she thought all is dandy...

I can’t get my head around this ignorance..

I am not a nurse thank goodness, as I hate the sight of blood, and me running screaming and wailing down hospital corridors after every blood test would not inspire confidence and calmness in a health care environment.
But re symptoms I thought there were specific symptoms one had to have before getting a test and I never saw stuffed up ears or sinus weirdness on the list..hmmm.

walshb

owlbethere wrote: »

She probably would have associated tiredness with long work days.

These excuses mean nothing..

Probably this and probably that...

Severe tiredness, headaches and sinus..

What excuses for the other two symptoms?

hawkelady

walshb wrote: »

It’s been highlighted clearly that you do not necessarily need to have any one particular symptom..

This nurse had three clear and noticeable symptoms, but because no fever and cough, she thought all is dandy...

I can’t get my head around this ignorance..

You sound ignorant. Healthcare workers are trying their best ffs and having to read your tripe from that high horse is nauseating.

I’ve a thumping headache now and I have to go out and get milk and bread.. oh what to do !!

Stheno

walshb wrote: »

It’s been highlighted clearly that you do not necessarily need to have any one particular symptom..

This nurse had three clear and noticeable symptoms, but because no fever and cough, she thought all is dandy...

I can’t get my head around this ignorance..

Temperature and cough appear to be the only symptoms taken seriously enough for a test if those aren't present at the moment no test.

I was at the doctor 5/6 weeks ago with a bad sinus dose, no temperature mild cough and got antibiotics and steroids

Still getting over that of it

Who knows if it was this plaguw

walshb

Gynoid wrote: »

I am not a nurse thank goodness, as I hate the sight of blood, and me running screaming and wailing down hospital corridors after every blood test would not inspire confidence and calmness in a health care environment.
But re symptoms I thought there were specific symptoms one had to have before getting a test and I never saw stuffed up ears or sinus weirdness on the list..hmmm.

For getting tests they tweaked the criteria...

But for general awareness they clearly stated that not one particular symptom was needed...

It could be any symptom or combination..

Everyone should have known this..

She developed three clear symptoms, and still attended work for several days. Ignorance and recklessness..

walshb

hawkelady wrote: »

You sound ignorant. Healthcare workers are trying their best ffs and having to read your tripe from that high horse is nauseating.

I’ve a thumping headache now and I have to go out and get milk and bread.. oh what to do !!

Who said they weren’t trying their best?

Are people now above questioning because they are health workers..?

I am far from ignorant, as I clearly understand the symptoms to watch out for..there are several, and you do not need to have all...

Go way ouha that..

BanditLuke

wakka12 wrote: »

Surprisingly Portugal is now beginning to open up smaller business and construction sites again. Despite recording nearly 850 new cases and 60 deaths over the last 48 hours, but perhaps there is more to it than people outside the country would know, maybe most of the new cases are witin care homes and hospitals like Ireland and community transmission has largely ended.

That's all well and good but it will be in the community soon enough again if they do that.

Stheno

walshb wrote: »

For getting tests they tweaked the criteria...

But for general awareness they clearly stated that not one particular symptom was needed...

It could be any symptom or combination..

Everyone should have known this..

She developed three clear symptoms, and still attended work for several days. Ignorance and recklessness..

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes.html

HSE list tirednedand headache as sometimes a symptom

Dont list sinus at all apart from nasal congestion

Sober Crappy Chemis

O fearmongers, fearmongers, where art thou fearmongers ...predicting 85,000 Irish deaths?

hawkelady

walshb wrote: »

Who said they weren’t trying their best?

Are people now above questioning because they are health workers..?

I am far from ignorant, as I clearly understand the symptoms to watch out for..there are several, and you do not need to have all...

Go way ouha that..

So if someone has a headache now, they need to self isolate for 14 days ? Is that what you’re implying with your “ you do not need to have all symptoms”

You need to go away outta that!

BanditLuke

eagle eye wrote: »

He was up on twitter yesterday saying Liberate Michigan, liberate Minnesota, last berate Virginia and save your great 2nd amendment rights. He shouldn't be doing that.

He is right to cause conflict with China, they need to be buried after this.

China are going pay a heavy price but it will hopefully be economically not militarily but with Trump at the helm who knows.