Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

hotmail.com

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

In that case the US needs to be closed from the world like North Korea, right now US is the epicentre, what they do effects us all.

Oh I absolutely agree. Americans can do whatever they want, but they can't infect the rest of us.

spookwoman

owlbethere wrote: »

I was up late last night. I went to bed when the birds started to sing this morning. The euronews was on in the background and I noticed a clip from some country. I don't know from where. It was of a line of people wearing protective clothing, powerwashing or steaming the roads.

Like,

WTF is that about?

You would swear there are crowds of infected people forming on the roads coughing and spluttering all over the place. Or maybe the virus is turning body fluids into a poisonous gas or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00C4TIVdZEM

threeball

hotmail.com wrote: »

Are they going to cancel the clap in the UK on Thursday nights?

Once was a nice gesture. Now it just something to do cos they're bored.

jackboy

ek motor wrote: »

Nobody knows how long the immunity lasts for because more research is required and this is a new virus.

If infection and recovery does not give a significant level of immunity does this imply that an effective vaccine in not possible?

Speak Now

hotmail.com wrote: »

Are they going to cancel the clap in the UK on Thursday nights?

The clap has been treatable for many years now

Gynoid

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We have to go back to normality at some stage.

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A looong time ago I lived in a hippie squat in Europe and our motto was "What is normal?" Silly, you might say. Youthful freaks talking shyte. But, you know, what IS normal? Maybe one so called normal is finished? Maybe we ain't going back to "normality"?
Maybe we have to live now with a virus that shortens life spans and is a threat to those many in less than perfect health? Maybe that is the new normal? Are we in denial?

How normal is it anyway, the way a modern human lives? On some hamster wheel working all the long hours between traffic jams so the corporations can make bazillions and exploit the developed world with bullsh1t jobs and enslave the developing world, so that during the time off the hamster wheel we can try to squeeze in a human life and be drip fed the intoxication of consuming endlessly and for many endless porn and cheap sensorial distractions.
Shrugs. What is this "normal" to which we simply gotta return?

D.Q

Hector Savage wrote: »

More good news
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/52331657
Olympics won't be in 2021 either ...

Also people are getting it twice , so no herd immunity, one would assume this will render a vaccine useless ... so great!!!



definetely gonna throw myself off a ****n bridge now

You'd miss this thread too much

Speak Now

threeball wrote: »

Once was a nice gesture. Now it just something to do cos they're bored.

First week was fine, when they clapped for NHS and Boris it was time to bail out!

robinph

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Someone spits on the ground or drops an item of that is asymptomatic. Car drives over it, or carried on someone's shoe and virus is moved from point A to B and other points. That's my simplistic understanding.

This virus is too good at hiding itself.

If the virus was that tough to kill and that easy to be passed on then everyone on the planet would already have it and it would have burnt itself out already, or we'd all be dead.

That kind of spraying the road is purely for theatre to make it seem like the authorities are doing something to make people feel safer. No actual useful function from doing it.

Hector Savage

jackboy wrote: »

If infection and recovery does not give a significant level of immunity does this imply that an effective vaccine in not possible?

Yes, this is a civilisation ender ... we're completely ****ed ...

Akabusi

Hector Savage wrote: »

More good news
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/52331657
Olympics won't be in 2021 either ...

Also people are getting it twice , so no herd immunity, one would assume this will render a vaccine useless ... so great!!!



definetely gonna throw myself off a ****n bridge now

Actually just stay of the forum and talk to someone like the Samaritans if you can't handle the news. I'm not a cold hearted person but I'm getting a bit tired of your constant need to tell us your going to top yourself.

owlbethere

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

In that case the US needs to be closed from the world like North Korea, right now US is the epicentre, what they do effects us all.

I agree with this, except for closing them off from the world like North Korea. Definitely they will be an epicentre and major hotpots there.

Sober Crappy Chemis

hotmail.com wrote: »

Are they going to cancel the clap in the UK on Thursday nights?

You ever been to an Essex nightclub?

Gynoid

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yes, this is a civilisation ender ... we're completely ****ed ...

Hector, you HAVE to stay around to be the very dramatic expressive one who shakes the fist repeatedly at the sky like we all want to sometimes and who curses violently in the face of corona and all the weird freakiness of the times.

ek motor

jackboy wrote: »

If infection and recovery does not give a significant level of immunity does this imply that an effective vaccine in not possible?

Possibly, I'm not well read on virology or vaccinology, but I've read that with other coronaviruses that cause the common cold the immunity is measured in months rather than years.

If that was the case perhaps the vaccine would become seasonal like the flu vaccine ? Pure speculation I'm not an expert.

cameramonkey

Blanco100 wrote: »

Is this fact or fake news as they say?

Article explicitly makes reference to reinfection.

Yes it also says
"No secondary infections have been reported from relapse cases, according to the KCDC. Of the 294 people who had contact with those who retested positive for the new coronavirus, the KCDC said it is currently monitoring 256.


There is speculation that the viral load in these people is so low that when they were tested previously towards the end of their illness that the tests didnt pick it up. The fact that they are not infecting others means that it must be a very minimal viral load infection.
They seem to have relapsed rather than been reinfected.Someone posted a Korean doctor interview on this thread a few days ago, it explained what the process might be.

ek motor

Relapsed cases continue to rise in South Korea

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200417006800320

Nonoperational

Checked out of here for a while, refreshing not to be reading constant negativity and people getting visibly excited posting 'bad' news.

Regarding the WHO comments, they have been widely misreported by the Irish and UK media.

What they said is that there is no evidence that serological antibody tests will tell us if people have immunity. They also never said that we won't have immunity. At this stage nobody is in a position to say this one way or the other.

The serological tests are based on the detection of antibodies in the blood. 2 antibodies are used, IgM and IgG. IgM is produced first then IgG which stays in the body for a varying amount of time. There antibodies neutralise the virus when we come into contact with it. What the WHO said is that we don't know for sure that 1) everyone will produce IgG, and 2) that those with IgG seropositivity will be 'immune'.

This goes back to what immunity actually is. It is very possible, and in my opinion very likely, that those that produce IgG will not get a significant COVID-19 infection. They could however get a mild illness and pass it on. This will also very much likely depend on viral load exposed to. If one gets a low viral load exposure and has IgG produced its unlikely they'll get unwell. If one has tiny levels of IgG and they get a large prolonged viral load they may develop severe infection.

This is just my opinion, as was the WHO statement. But if you look at the history of humanity, we simply do not usually continue to get acute infections with the same agents over and over.

Please take all these reports with a pinch of salt, for every report saying you may not get immunity there are reports saying you most likely will.

Kermit.de.frog

Italy reports 482 deaths (down from 575 yesterday), 3,491 new cases.

eagle eye

The way som people are going on now it's the zombie apocalypse, time to break out the guns and the crossbow for when you run out of ammo and the samurai sword for when you run out of arrows.

Kermit.de.frog

New York reports 540 new deaths, the mitigation measures look like filtering in to the death numbers now.

Rob A. Bank

https://twitter.com/cinntithe/status/1250711678737670144

Soooo... just to be on the safe side

Beidh mé ag labhairt Gaeilge as seo amach.



:rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yes, this is a civilisation ender ... we're completely ****ed ...

Drama queen :rolleyes:

John.Icy

There always seems to be kneejerk reactions to the USA and how many deaths they have and critique of them on either here or other social media....

Their deaths per million = 114. Ours is 107. We were ahead in that regards only 3 or so days ago I believe. They'll probably surge past us eventually but for now we are in no position to be so high and mighty over them or any country really as we are one of the worst affected places in the world per capita.

Rob A. Bank

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 18 April 2020 @ 08:00 hrs. CET



Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Hobgoblin11

If any of those Keelings workers test positive for covid, there should be more serious protests outside that factory!

Hector Savage

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yes, this is a civilisation ender ... we're completely ****ed ...

It would help yourself an awful lot if you attempted to read and understand the obviously vast amount of covid 19 information you are accessing before pronouncing that the sky is falling

eagle eye

Hobgoblin11 wrote:

If any of those Keelings workers text positive, there should be protests outside that factory!

Protests are a stupid idea, how about nobody buys their products.

spookwoman

Deleted User wrote: »

It would help yourself an awful lot if you attempted to read and understand the obviously vast amount of covid 19 information you are accessing before pronouncing that the sky is falling

That reply was to,

jackboy wrote: »

If infection and recovery does not give a significant level of immunity does this imply that an effective vaccine in not possible?

Sam Russell

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

If any of those Keelings workers test positive for covid, there should be more serious protests outside that factory!

Just do not buy their products if you think they are wrong in what they are doing.

How vigorous were they in recruiting locally?

BLIZZARD7

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

If any of those Keelings workers test positive for covid, there should be more serious protests outside that factory!

Protests? In a pandemic?

hotmail.com

Hardware shops are allowed to open according to an Irish Times article!

Harry Palmr

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

https://twitter.com/cinntithe/status/1250711678737670144

Soooo... just to be on the safe side

Beidh mé ag labhairt Gaeilge as seo amach.



:rolleyes:

The graphic is remarkable for showing where the incidence of Covid 19 occur matches where people live. I mean who'd have thunk it?

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

That reply was to,

There is no evidence that having recovered from Covid 19, you will not have immunity. Also, the instances in Korea where people have tested positive after recovering do not appear to have resulted in people becoming seriously ill. Immunity is a continuum. Some will have no resistance. Some will have partial resistance preventing serious reinfection and some will have full resistance.

Hobgoblin11

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Protests? In a pandemic?

there were protests yesterday!! outside the factory

Level 42

Nah you can't get infected twice people aren't fully clear of it and it flares up again that's what's happening

Beechwoodspark

tobefrank321 wrote: »

And the Travellers in Birr? They do 14 days of isolation?

Of course they didn't!

Incredible naivity to believe people will isolate.

Once they leave the port or airport they are in the community.

Like I said two years from now you and Simon Harris will be banging this long discredited mantra about allowing people in with zero checks from hotspots.

No point getting community infections to zero if you bring in new ones. Unless of course you want a permament lockdown?

The birr funeral is unreal

How stupid can they be??

Are they totally ignorant and stupid or just brazenly going about normal life and two fingers to the rest of society??

The guards should have shut down that funeral.

domrush

What’s the difference between Irish doctors flying home from Oz and fruit pickers flying in for harvest? Both do the same quarantine, both essential workers

Hobgoblin11

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The birr funeral is unreal

How stupid can they be??

Are they totally ignorant and stupid or just brazenly going about normal life and two fingers to the rest of society??

The guards should have shut down that funeral.

they don't follow 'our' rules

Mental Mickey

Have the figures been released today yet?

Kermit.de.frog

As you were with France. Reports 753 new deaths. (yesterday 761)

Hego Damask

Strange the way a lot of the people screaming racist at anyone critical of the decision to fly 200 workers in from abroad to pick fruit , are the same ones that were out with the pitchforks for anyone walking more than 2km from their home - alone and not getting close to anyone ....

Widdensushi

domrush wrote: »

What’s the difference between Irish doctors flying home from Oz and fruit pickers flying in for harvest? Both do the same quarantine, both essential workers

I think most Irish people are in denial that we no longer have Irish people willing to do this kind of work, as many of us would have done plenty of it when we were younger. Everyone is frustrated by the current situation and looking for something to vent about and it's an easy target.

take everything

Gynoid wrote: »

A looong time ago I lived in a hippie squat in Europe and our motto was "What is normal?" Silly, you might say. Youthful freaks talking shyte. But, you know, what IS normal? Maybe one so called normal is finished? Maybe we ain't going back to "normality"?
Maybe we have to live now with a virus that shortens life spans and is a threat to those many in less than perfect health? Maybe that is the new normal? Are we in denial?

How normal is it anyway, the way a modern human lives? On some hamster wheel working all the long hours between traffic jams so the corporations can make bazillions and exploit the developed world with bullsh1t jobs and enslave the developing world, so that during the time off the hamster wheel we can try to squeeze in a human life and be drip fed the intoxication of consuming endlessly and for many endless porn and cheap sensorial distractions.
Shrugs. What is this "normal" to which we simply gotta return?

I agree.
I hope to **** this is not the new normal and a vaccine or antiviral drug is found to be effective and we adapt instead of just staying in but as you say modern life is a fragile thing and if nothing else this has exposed how people need to wake up to that fact and stop taking things for granted.
With a bit of luck the entitlement culture will be less when this is all over and people will have different priorities and values

Beechwoodspark

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

they don't follow 'our' rules

Well it is a kick in the teeth to the rest of society particularly

The nurses and doctors and everyone on the frontline

The bereaved

Those who passed away despite trying desperately not to contract the virus

Those currently desperately worried

Shame on the birr funeral goers

Wombatman

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

If any of those Keelings workers test positive for covid, there should be more serious protests outside that factory!

Yeah. See you outside the strawberry factory.

Hego Damask

Hego Damask wrote: »

Strange the way a lot of the people screaming racist at anyone critical of the decision to fly 200 workers in from abroad to pick fruit , are the same ones that were out with the pitchforks for anyone walking more than 2km from their home - alone and not getting close to anyone ....

Are they the same ones? What I see are a lot of the most vocal on the 2km are the most vocal on the fruit pickers

ChikiChiki

Hector Savage wrote: »

More good news
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/52331657
Olympics won't be in 2021 either ...

Also people are getting it twice , so no herd immunity, one would assume this will render a vaccine useless ... so great!!!



definetely gonna throw myself off a ****n bridge now

This concerns me. You should speak to someone and stay away from the news for a while.

Resolve is what we need and we will come through this.

I've seen these type of threats first hand before in my life with immediate family unfortunately I wrote them off as just talk until the unthinkable happened. Something I bear the traumatic mental scars of to this day. So personally for me to see this talk it concerns me.

Gynoid

Level 42 wrote: »

Nah you can't get infected twice people aren't fully clear of it and it flares up again that's what's happening

Quick. There are scientific researchers worldwide waiting all agog for your fascinating proofs!

Tony EH

Nonoperational wrote: »

Checked out of here for a while, refreshing not to be reading constant negativity and people getting visibly excited posting 'bad' news.

Regarding the WHO comments, they have been widely misreported by the Irish and UK media.

What they said is that there is no evidence that serological antibody tests will tell us if people have immunity. They also never said that we won't have immunity. At this stage nobody is in a position to say this one way or the other.

The serological tests are based on the detection of antibodies in the blood. 2 antibodies are used, IgM and IgG. IgM is produced first then IgG which stays in the body for a varying amount of time. There antibodies neutralise the virus when we come into contact with it. What the WHO said is that we don't know for sure that 1) everyone will produce IgG, and 2) that those with IgG seropositivity will be 'immune'.

This goes back to what immunity actually is. It is very possible, and in my opinion very likely, that those that produce IgG will not get a significant COVID-19 infection. They could however get a mild illness and pass it on. This will also very much likely depend on viral load exposed to. If one gets a low viral load exposure and has IgG produced its unlikely they'll get unwell. If one has tiny levels of IgG and they get a large prolonged viral load they may develop severe infection.

This is just my opinion, as was the WHO statement. But if you look at the history of humanity, we simply do not usually continue to get acute infections with the same agents over and over.

Please take all these reports with a pinch of salt, for every report saying you may not get immunity there are reports saying you most likely will.

There's an agenda out there now by some, in the wake of Trump's action, to damn the World Health Organisation so as to legitimise the bloated orange's decision. The press will also seek to sensationalise headlines too as is their want. So, as you say, take such reports with "a pinch of salt".

The WHO's statement in this regard - that they have no evidence to prove something - is a perfectly valid statement for them to make. I don't know why any honest observer would think otherwise. It would be remiss of the WHO to not to make such a statement when asked about potential immunity in recovered patients. They aren't currently in possession of the factual data to say anything on the issue one way or another.

People who are dumping on the WHO at this time only care about pushing a particularly odious type of politics and aren't even remotely interested in the facts of the matter and in that respect they are of no help whatsoever.