Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

joe_99

41 new deaths recorded today

778 additional cases confirmed:

- 630 new cases confirmed in Irish labs.
- 148 cases confirmed from German labs.

redarmy

Breaking: 41 more people have died from Coronavirus in Ireland.

A total of 571 deaths have now been recorded in the Republic.

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Polar101

Nonoperational wrote: »

Regarding the WHO comments, they have been widely misreported by the Irish and UK media.

What they said is that there is no evidence that serological antibody tests will tell us if people have immunity.

Yeah, it's annoying to read the news reports.. they clearly said "there is no evidence" rather than "you will get infected again", but many media outlets are reporting the latter.

Hobgoblin11

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This concerns me. You should speak to someone and stay away from the news for a while.

Resolve is what we need and we will come through this.

I've seen these type of threats first hand before in my life with immediate family unfortunately I wrote them off as just talk until the unthinkable happened. Something I bear the traumatic mental scars of to this day. So personally for me to see this talk it concerns me.

i would say there are a lot of people who are contemplating suicide at this time, stay strong people! this to shall pass!

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1251557232048775168?s=20

Achasanai

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

As stats show they're in little danger when they contact the Virus. Yes there have been exceptions to the rule with kids dying so on, but it's very very rare.

I think when we do start to open it won't be a light switch moment, it will be the less vulnerable that will start that process.

Why not 30, just to be sure? We've heard of examples - albeit rare - that people in their 30s have died from the virus.



Or better yet, leave pubs until the very end of the restrictions-easing process, as they would be the very places where the virus would have the best chance of ramping up infections?


But let me guess, you're under 35 yourself, and would love nothing more than heading out to the pub with your mates?

easypazz

joe_99 wrote: »

41 new deaths recorded today

778 additional cases confirmed:

- 630 new cases confirmed in Irish labs.
- 148 cases confirmed from German labs.

4% growth.

How long are the people dead though?

branie2

RIP, the 41 people who died

walshb

easypazz wrote: »

4% growth.

How long are the people dead though?

I assume dead the last 24 hours or less?

Gynoid

easypazz wrote: »

4% growth.

How long are the people dead though?

There was a post back a bit, Quantim I think, who noted that the back figures contained in todays figures will be added to yesterdays and so on in the graph so the dip in the graph of deaths in real time was just temporary yesterday, in that sense. If 20 of todays deaths are current and the rest from past days then tomorrows number will have some to be added to todays. Just snapshotting one day and saying the deaths are not all from today does not work to prove they are less.

Xertz

Polar101 wrote: »

Yeah, it's annoying to read the news reports.. they clearly said "there is no evidence" rather than "you will get infected again", but many media outlets are reporting the latter.

They're being cautious and very accurate in what they, as they're a scientific body. Until there is proof of immunity, they have to be.

Kermit.de.frog

The governor of New Jersey says his state has lost more people in the last 4 weeks alone to COVID-19 than the entire last 3 flu seasons combined.

UrbanFret

walshb wrote: »

I assume dead the last 24 hours or less?

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

JanuarySnowstor

The new cases are still quite high. With the lockdown 3 weeks in place I would have thought numbers would now be dropping

Jim_Hodge

walshb wrote: »

I assume dead the last 24 hours or less?

Not at all. They clearly said 'notified' deaths. There's still a time lag in receipt of death stats from doctors, registrars etc.

Xertz

UrbanFret wrote: »

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

There's a legal process to go through with these and it can be quite complex e.g. triggering an inquest, if the death happens within 24 hours of going to hospital in normal circumstances and so on.

Reporting a death is more than just a formality.

Gynoid

UrbanFret wrote: »

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

And thus the next 10 days numbers will contain lags that will apply to today.

CIARAN_BOYLE

UrbanFret wrote: »

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

Couldn't it be spread over the last 3 months as you have that long to notify of deaths?

SCOOP 64

UrbanFret wrote: »

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

41 dead in the last 10 days would they be that way out?

Xertz

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Couldn't it be spread over the last 3 months as you have that long to notify of deaths?

Unlikely as most of these deaths are occurring in hospital or similar settings, so they'd be notified fairly promptly.

AFAIK what happens is the hospital / doctor issues a certificate which you then take / send to the registrar in your local area and they will then issue a death certificate. The person notifying the registrar is usually a family member, the doctor's certificate is just part of the process.

I would assume they have to work off the registrar's figures, not informally reported hospital ones.

stephenjmcd

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-restrictions-will-be-lifted-in-slow-and-controlled-manner-expert-group-chairman-39138390.html

Bit of an insight as to how they might gradual reduce restrictions

Gynoid

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

The new cases are still quite high. With the lockdown 3 weeks in place I would have thought numbers would now be dropping

New cases most likely are a function of increased testing. That is just my opinion. The more one tests the more cases. The deaths, ICU numbers and hospitalisations are the numbers that are more reliable (though not entirely as we have seen in many countries). Still I see them as more indicative. If testing had been constant for a month in terms of numbers of tests then an increase would be notable.

Xertz

Gynoid wrote: »

New cases most likely are a function of increased testing. That is just my opinion. The more one tests the more cases. The deaths, ICU numbers and hospitalisations are the numbers that are more reliable (though not entirely as we have seen in many countries). Still I see them as more indicative. If testing had been constant for a month in terms of numbers of tests then an increase would be notable.

The comparison of country-to-country number of detected cases has more to do with how much detection they're doing and our testing rates are relatively high compared to a lot of European countries and the general US figure.

bettyoleary

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

If any of those Keelings workers test positive for covid, there should be more serious protests outside that factory!

If any of those workers develop symptoms unless they are very unwell, it is highly unlikely they will admit to it. They wont want the whole lot of the workers needing to isolate and perhaps loose their income.

Beasty

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

The new cases are still quite high. With the lockdown 3 weeks in place I would have thought numbers would now be dropping

Even though they are getting people tested quicker there is still a timelag. People recorded as positive today may have picked it up 2+ weeks ago then only tested once symptoms were starting to get serious (probably earlier for healthcare workers), 2-3 days to get tested, another 2-3 days to get their result.

What we are seeing now in terms of those testing positive are people typically infected 2-3 weeks ago. However there is always a question about how significant the positive figures are due to limited testing capabilities

The death figures have an even longer lag - probably people who first picked it up a month or so ago. They have been at a similar level for a number of days now and I am hopeful that's indicative of this plateauing, although I'm a bit concerned about the numbers we are seeing in the North

Hobgoblin11

bettyoleary wrote: »

If any of those workers develop symptoms unless they are very unwell, it is highly unlikely they will admit to it. They wont want the whole lot of the workers needing to isolate and perhaps loose their income.

they are all already isolating arent they?

Gynoid

Xertz wrote: »

The comparison of country-to-country number of detected cases has more to do with how much detection they're doing and our testing rates are relatively high compared to a lot of European countries and the general US figure.

Our testing rates seem high enough now. And hopefully will get better to allow quick turn around and tracing. I am not certain they were in good shape 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Beasty

Xertz wrote: »

There's a legal process to go through with these and it can be quite complex e.g. triggering an inquest, if the death happens within 24 hours of going to hospital in normal circumstances and so on.

Reporting a death is more than just a formality.

Everything is going to be delayed further in the current situation, and they may need to revise some processes given the restrictions everyone is under

speckle

Roger_007 wrote: »

One of my neighbours told me that he ‘celebrates’ his 70th birthday next week.....Tuesday he can go for a walk....Wednesday, or any day after, he can’t. He is not seeing the funny side it.

Was he born at midnight? :-)

Professor Moriarty

Beasty wrote: »

Even though they are getting people tested quicker there is still a timelag. People recorded as positive today may have picked it up 2+ weeks ago then only tested once symptoms were starting to get serious (probably earlier for healthcare workers), 2-3 days to get tested, another 2-3 days to get their result.

What we are seeing now in terms of those testing positive are people typically infected 2-3 weeks ago. However there is always a question about how significant the positive figures are due to limited testing capabilities

The death figures have an even longer lag - probably people who first picked it up a month or so ago. They have been at a similar level for a number of days now and I am hopeful that's indicative of this plateauing, although I'm a bit concerned about the numbers we are seeing in the North

Average lag between contracting the virus and death is 18 days.

Dank Janniels

The HSE have omitted the maps in their latest report. Every1 was probably all zooming in on their neybours seeing who has got it!

BanditLuke

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

The new cases are still quite high. With the lockdown 3 weeks in place I would have thought numbers would now be dropping

That's because it's a very soft lockdown. Going by these numbers I can easily see it being made more draconian and extended for another 2 weeks beyond the 5th of May.

Reckless Abandonment

Any idea how many tests they are doing a day now ?

bettyoleary

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

they are all already isolating arent they?

But after isolation if they contract the virus whilst working I mean. These people are just as scared as we are of the virus. To be here in a country that is heavily infected with Covid, living in close conditions. Probably don't have much English. They are very poor and need the money or they wouldn't be here.

I'd say they just want to get the fruit picked, get their pay and get home to their families with their wages safely and with no fuss.

ACitizenErased

Cases/deaths have been stable for the last few days now. I'm fairly confident we are plateauing and this is our peak.

Curious_Case

BanditLuke wrote: »

That's because it's a very soft lockdown. Going by these numbers I can easily see it being made more draconian and extended for another 2 weeks beyond the 5th of May.

Don't worry, there doesn't seem to be any indication that it will be made more draconian but the CURRENT SITUATION may be extended for several more weeks with the authorities, perhaps, granting a little more latitude ?

BanditLuke

Curious_Case wrote: »

Don't worry, there doesn't seem to be any indication that it will be made more draconian but the CURRENT SITUATION may be extended for several more weeks with the authorities, perhaps, granting a little more latitude ?

I'd like to see masks whilst outside the residence made compulsory at a minimum right now never mind waiting until May to do it.

Be right back

Iamabeliever wrote: »

More Draconian? Don't make me laugh. I never seen the streets so busy! Unfortunately, I hate to say it, Ireland are sleepwalking into a nightmare

Where do you see busy streets?

brickster69

Ireland #9 in the world for deaths / million

#1 for a country with a population between 1 & 5 million

RIP

Curious_Case

BanditLuke wrote: »

I'd like to see masks whilst outside the residence made compulsory at a minimum right now never mind waiting until May to do it.

Yep, I'm with you on that, I'm sure we both see the value they have in reducing transmission either to a person or from a person.

I don't think movement will be further restricted though, it seems we've done "enough", no more, no less to stop community spread. Having said that, the nursing home situation is another matter altogether.

Michael Dwyer

brickster69 wrote: »

Ireland #9 in the world for deaths / million

#1 for a country with a population between 1 & 5 million

RIP

No. 1 nation for clapping ourselves on the back also.

Deeper Blue

brickster69 wrote: »

Ireland #9 in the world for deaths / million

#1 for a country with a population between 1 & 5 million

RIP

You can't compare these stats between countries due to the different ways they report their deaths

How are people not getting this? It's been said a million times at this stage

Deeper Blue

Iamabeliever wrote: »

More Draconian? Don't make me laugh. I never seen the streets so busy! Unfortunately, I hate to say it, Ireland are sleepwalking into a nightmare

Anything to back up that claim?

Curious_Case

Iamabeliever wrote: »

More Draconian? Don't make me laugh. I never seen the streets so busy! Unfortunately, I hate to say it, Ireland are sleepwalking into a nightmare

I was merely replying to a poster who used the word "Draconian"

Discodog

hotmail.com wrote: »

Hardware shops are allowed to open according to an Irish Times article!

They always have been. But the big ones chose not to & the government advised not to.

Jim_Hodge

Iamabeliever wrote: »

I never seen the streets so busy!

When you exaggerate to this level your point loses all credibility,

Jim_Hodge

brickster69 wrote: »

Ireland #9 in the world for deaths / million

#1 for a country with a population between 1 & 5 million

RIP

How many times must the anomaly of reporting variations by country be explained?

ceegee

brickster69 wrote: »

Ireland #9 in the world for deaths / million

#1 for a country with a population between 1 & 5 million

RIP

We're also #1 in population for countries between 1 and 5 million. Choosing an arbitrary cutoff just above our population will obviously skew the data

Danzy

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

No. 1 nation for clapping ourselves on the back also.

Ahh poor diddums.

Jim_Hodge

BanditLuke wrote: »

I'd like to see masks whilst outside the residence made compulsory at a minimum right now never mind waiting until May to do it.

Same here.

Any idea's where they can be bought at a reasonable price?