Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

UrbanFret

Panrich wrote: »

The problem is the lack of consistency in messaging that allows all sorts of ill informed speculation to thrive. In March we were being told that there would be 15,000 cases by the end of the month. The case numbers were not pointing to that being likely and so it transpired that it was wildly exaggerated.

Now a month later the message has flipped and we're being told everything is under control and the R number is less than 1 when every day we still have huge numbers of cases and we're showing no signs of the cases/deaths decreasing after three weeks of total lockdown.

Until all the historic tests are taken out of the equation then we are in the dark as to where exactly we are at. When we are testing today and returning the result in 24 hrs then we will know exactly where we stand. I suspect Dr Tony has a fair idea but he doesn't want people to get complacent. A big effort to comply for the next 2 1/2 weeks and we'll be in a good position. Its surely not too much to ask.

pgj2015

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Your link brings to a google page for crowded streets! Did you just try to pass of a google search for a busy street as your own home town?

Obviously, its a joke.

ACitizenErased

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Do you mean the R0 rate is close to 0?

R0 has nothing to do with community transmission. It means that in the last few days, the majority of cases can be tracked to a source. It's not randomly floating around in the community.

Akabusi

Someone asked about the nursing homes, my aunt works in one, she was saying both the staff and occupants are now being tested even without showing symptoms. Thankfully the care home she is in hasn't had any confirmed cases so far.
They will have to be tested multiple times (the staff especially) over the coming weeks with a very quick result turn around for this to work. I hope the labs can manage this.

awec

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And how is that to be accomplished in terms of isolation?

Covid patients are of course kept entirely separate from non covid patients in hospitals.

Rob A. Bank

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And how is that to be accomplished in terms of isolation?

I believe many of the large hospitals have covid and non-covid entrances and that the covid wards are kept totally separate from the normal hospital wards.

If they do not do this... they certainly should.

Hobgoblin11

ACitizenErased wrote: »

R0 has nothing to do with community transmission. It means that in the last few days, the majority of cases can be tracked to a source. It's not randomly floating around in the community.

What about the cases we haven’t tracked ? Sounds dangerous like you are saying there is nothing to worry about no need to wear mask or gloves, by the stats we are a highly infected hard hit country

Rob A. Bank

awec wrote: »

Covid patients are of course kept entirely separate from non covid patients in hospitals.

I don't think the general public are all aware of this... it might explain the reluctance to go to hospital, even when it is strongly indicated.

JP Liz V1

Akabusi wrote: »

Someone asked about the nursing homes, my aunt works in one, she was saying both the staff and occupants are now being tested even without showing symptoms. Thankfully the care home she is in hasn't had any confirmed cases so far.
They will have to be tested multiple times (the staff especially) over the coming weeks with a very quick result turn around for this to work. I hope the labs can manage this.

That is good

Turtwig

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Saw a piece on RTE news saying people are scared to go into hospitals, even if they have symptoms of heart attack, stroke etc. Treatment is time critical in many illnesses and delay can lead to bad outcomes.

The HSE should make it very clear that people will not end up in a covid ward if they are admitted with non covid illnesses.

To be fair, they have been making that point in just about every press briefing. Even consultants and doctors appearing on the likes of PrimeTime have been sounding the same message.

Kermit.de.frog

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I believe many of the large hospitals have covid and non-covid entrances and that the covid wards are kept totally separate from the normal hospital wards.

If they do not do this... they certainly should.

I agree with you of course people should get to hospital if they need to.

Are hospitals in general glorified petri dishes at the moment for this regardless?

BanditLuke

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Saw a piece on RTE news saying people are scared to go into hospitals, even if they have symptoms of heart attack, stroke etc. Treatment is time critical in many illnesses and delay can lead to bad outcomes.

The HSE should make it very clear that people will not end up in a covid ward if they are admitted with non covid illnesses.

Surely that's just plain common sense.

s1ippy

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Will the Irish Times do?

Reading it again it was Mike Ryan who said it.
He said there is no proof of immunity in those who have recovered. This is very likely to cause mass panic particularly in those who had the virus.

"There is no proof of immunity in patients who have had Covid-19 and recovered" is a scientifically correct statement and while people who have had the virus should not panic, they should take the necessary precautions. In fact, we should protect them from getting it again as their bodies may not be well-equipped to deal with infection as they would still be recovering. Transfer recovered hospital workers into medical environments where they would be at less risk of contracting it. I hope this is something they consider doing, otherwise we may not have a lot of medical staff left after a certain point.

owlbethere

I hope there's photographers here in Ireland taking pictures of places around Ireland while we are still in lockdown. I would say these restrictions and the nice weather would provide some beautiful pictures. A photo book for charity at the end of the year would be nice.

speckle

As of the time of the last dotted map the nearly 600kmsq around where I live has one active case. I hope we all keep our social distancing up untill there is none. Like everywhere we have a minority of stupid and selfish people. But well done to the vaste majority. Then I propose we move on to the next 600kmsq like a peacetime military operation. Maybe other people in othet areas can do this too.
Ps. I wont be saying exactly where that is.

4Ad

My niece, a Nurse said that families are asking to put their family members, who are medically ok to leave the hospital into nursing homes..WTF
Crazy and selfish decision.
I guess every family is different and have their own reasons..hmmm

Rob A. Bank

Turtwig wrote: »

To be fair, they have been making that point in just about every press briefing. Even consultants and doctors appearing on the likes of PrimeTime have been sounding the same message.

I heard them saying that people are not coming to hospitals when they should.

However they did not emphasize that if admitted you will be kept really safe from covid. As Kermit said many people wrongly feel that hospitals are petri dishes for infection.

Cork Boy 53

On my way home this evening from a trip to the local shop for groceries and there were 6 cars parked in the driveway of one of my neighbour`s house. No doubt a house party is underway. Idiots.

Hamsterchops

Rhetorical questions; Is this just the 1st wave of Covid-19, will this virus be with us for evermore, after recovery can you catch the virus again, will social distancing remain with us for years, will the wearing of masks become the norm, will schools reopen in September, when pubs, clubs & Churches reopen, when will mass gatherings be reintroduced to society, will Covid-19 mutate.

When will stadiums be full again?
Will air travel be changed for ever?
How many companies will go bust?

Akrasia

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I heard them saying that people are not coming to hospitals when they should.

However they did not emphasize that if admitted you will be kept really safe from covid. As Kermit said many people wrongly feel that hospitals are petri dishes for infection.

I was following a UK doctor doing vlogs on YouTube about the coronavirus and he said the doctors were taking turns working on Covid wards and non Covid wards, this seemed a bit nuts to me if the doctors themselves could be carrying the virus, especially if they’re rationing PPE gear like they were in the UK

Jim_Hodge

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Rhetorical questions; Is this just the 1st wave of Covid-19, will this virus be with us for evermore, after recovery can you catch the virus again, will social distancing remain with us for years, will the wearing of masks become the norm, will schools reopen in September, when pubs, clubs & Churches reopen, when will mass gatherings be reintroduced to society, will Covid-19 mutate.

When will stadiums be full again?
Will air travel be changed for ever?
How many companies will go bust?

That's about everything already discussed. Start with Part I and read through the fifteen threads.

Jim_Hodge

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

On my way home this evening from a trip to the local shop for groceries and there were 6 cars parked in the driveway of one of my neighbour`s house. No doubt a house party is underway. Idiots.

Report it then!

Hamsterchops

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

That's about everything already discussed. Start with Part I and read through the fifteen threads.

Been here from the start.....
The questions remain, hence rhetorical. Only time will give us the answers.

Jim_Hodge

owlbethere wrote: »

I hope there's photographers here in Ireland taking pictures of places around Ireland while we are still in lockdown. I would say these restrictions and the nice weather would provide some beautiful pictures. A photo book for charity at the end of the year would be nice.

Only within 2km of the photographer's home though.

Roger_007

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

On my way home this evening from a trip to the local shop for groceries and there were 6 cars parked in the driveway of one of my neighbour`s house. No doubt a house party is underway. Idiots.

Not invited?

New Home

owlbethere wrote: »

I hope there's photographers here in Ireland taking pictures of places around Ireland while we are still in lockdown. I would say these restrictions and the nice weather would provide some beautiful pictures. A photo book for charity at the end of the year would be nice.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Only within 2km of the photographer's home though.

Actually, I was thinking about this the other day - Lockdown skies (and pics can be taken from any garden/window/balcony/roof).

Kermit.de.frog

Tonight's entertainment begins soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO3u-5YRPpQ

Wibbs

the.red.baron wrote: »

Just went into town and back out, stopped in a roadblock

Place is a ghost town, just Garda cars and a few people about their business, 95% of places are closed, just a few delivery places open

No place has ever been a few cars an hour on a main road, certainly not one they would put a checkpoint on

A normal Saturday night, you really must be joking

1) I emphasised in my area and others may differ. I live on the effin road in question and yes a week ago traffic was noticeably lighter. And when I posted that there was a car passing by every few seconds. It's tailed off now, but it's anything but a ghost road(I just now took a minute as a guide and 8 cars passed my gaff in that time). Jaysus, I'll have to effin record it next. A mate's take on it - and he noticed it too. His area would be far lighter in traffic normally and it's pretty much dead now - is maybe because the same road has six supermarkets within ten minutes of it and it's shopping traffic. I reckon that's it. It does tend to die right back around 9-10 and doesn't kick off in the mornings until after 10. 10:30 for the dipsos. 12:30 tomorrow.

Oh and by the way, in case of any further misconceptions, I have no issue with this. I'm happier to see more traffic. It feels more "normal" and that's a good thing and you couldn't be any more "socially distant" than tootling along in a car. And yes I do think restrictions should be lifted and more businesses like DIY shops and the like should be open. If supermarkets and pet shops can be open and not cause any issues, I don't see why similarly sized places couldn't be up and running. Now I would very much prefer if they added masks/mouth and nose covering in such places, like they do in many places on the continent that are starting back up again, but the gov and the HSE and many Irish folks seem to have a very negative view on that, so pigs might fly.

LiquidZeb

owlbethere wrote: »

I hope there's photographers here in Ireland taking pictures of places around Ireland while we are still in lockdown. I would say these restrictions and the nice weather would provide some beautiful pictures. A photo book for charity at the end of the year would be nice.

It'll be a reminder of how fragile life can be. Visiting elderly relations, socialising with friends, going on a bus, going to the shops, cinema etc even going to work. I'll never take any of it for granted ever again. Hope everyone's doing alright here and I hope those who've suffered losses in this find solace at some point. It truly is a generation defining moment.

Wibbs

New Home wrote: »

Actually, I was thinking about this the other day - Lockdown skies (and pics can be taken from any garden/window/balcony/roof).

I reckon that would be a bloody fantastic idea N. If someone in the government suggested it it might take off and raise the oul morale. Always a good thing.

Rob A. Bank

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Tonight's entertainment begins soon



Jaws movie just keeps on giving.

briany

Trump with the gloves off from the outset.

Playing a morose numbers competition with other countries [x]

Accusing China of lying about their death figures [x]

tobefrank321

Christy42 wrote: »

At no point where we told that 15000 would be happening. It was described as a worst case scenario. Then doom merchants ran with it as guaranteed fact.

It is very very likely there was in fact 15000 cases here by the end of March but they didn't have the test or lab capacity to find them.

Theres a general rule of thumb, deaths × 100 to give you total infections. So whatever deaths were late march/early April, multiply by 100.

Rob A. Bank

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Atlantic Dawn

$350billion spent, an expensive problem.

Kermit.de.frog

He's calling it "The Plague"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6DEgywU-hM

Atlantic Dawn

The King Of Ventilators.

Curious_Case

"More than double (pause) that's more than 2 times actually"

There's no stopping this man, he's on fire tonight

briany

Whatever number of deaths the U.S. is at by November, Trump's going to call it a huge win, and claim that it would have been double under 'Crooked Hillary'.

ElTel

deisedevil wrote: »

How does anyone know that what number of cases there really was by the end of the month? The testing has been, and still is, no where near good enough to give a true reflection of positive cases nationwide. Even now, despite what they are saying publically through the media, nursing homes are still having to wait ages to even get a swab done on suspected cases and are being told no swab for nurses who were in contact with suspected cases, just go home for two weeks. The testing situation has never been anything like what we keep being told it would be. It's a case of over promising and under delivering time and time again. The positive case numbers have never meant a whole lot at all and our ICU numbers are the best indication of how well our restriction measures are working o would think.

I was expecting Ireland by now to be lab testing for other counties given our concentration of pharma companies. It's frustrating that these tests need special reagents/chemicals that are proprietary/secret recipes? which makes ramping up testing quickly impossible. I don't know if (similar to PPE issues) this is because of a lack of stock or these things have a use by date.

There was talk of an Irish company working on the reagent problem but have not heard anything since.

Hopefully large scale testing is part of the world's arsenal come the next pandemic war.

tobefrank321

awec wrote: »

You must not have been following this thread from the start.

Ireland could announce a proven cure for Covid19 tomorrow and BanditLuke and others would be telling us all how awful it is. Total disaster.

May I present another head in the sand merchant.

They told us there was nothing to worry about when Wuhan was happening.
We didn't need to stop flights to and from hotspots like Italy, NY and London.
And when deaths here reached 10, 20, 30 a day we were doing great.

Cork Boy 53

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Report it then!

No I won`t do that. But if anyone there spreads or contracts the virus and gets sick or worse they will have to deal with the consequences.

growleaves

We have the best ventilators.

elperello

Wibbs wrote: »

1) I emphasised in my area and others may differ. I live on the effin road in question and yes a week ago traffic was noticeably lighter. And when I posted that there was a car passing by every few seconds. It's tailed off now, but it's anything but a ghost road(I just now took a minute as a guide and 8 cars passed my gaff in that time). Jaysus, I'll have to effin record it next. A mate's take on it - and he noticed it too. His area would be far lighter in traffic normally and it's pretty much dead now - is maybe because the same road has six supermarkets within ten minutes of it and it's shopping traffic. I reckon that's it. It does tend to die right back around 9-10 and doesn't kick off in the mornings until after 10. 10:30 for the dipsos. 12:30 tomorrow.

Oh and by the way, in case of any further misconceptions, I have no issue with this. I'm happier to see more traffic. It feels more "normal" and that's a good thing and you couldn't be any more "socially distant" than tootling along in a car. And yes I do think restrictions should be lifted and more businesses like DIY shops and the like should be open. If supermarkets and pet shops can be open and not cause any issues, I don't see why similarly sized places couldn't be up and running. Now I would very much prefer if they added masks/mouth and nose covering in such places, like they do in many places on the continent that are starting back up again, but the gov and the HSE and many Irish folks seem to have a very negative view on that, so pigs might fly.

I think you may be right about the 6 supermarkets.

Very possibly people reacting to the long queues during the day by shopping at the later hours.

Agree about hardwares/DIY and would add garden centres. All subject to similar restrictions to supermarkets. Would give people the gear to keep busy and occupied.

Kermit.de.frog

Trump coming across like a half assed loan shark demanding payment

Be right back

growleaves wrote: »

We have the best ventilators.

I would hate to see his worst ones!

Wibbs

Curious_Case wrote: »

"More than double (pause) that's more than 2 times actually"

There's no stopping this man, he's on fire tonight

I'm old enough to remember Ronnie Reagan in his later days as the US president and how rambling and even oddball he could be at times and regardless of his political stance that poor bugger ended up with Alzheimers a few years after. But Trump, jaysus... I give two hoots about 'Murican politics as it looks like a horribly partisan sh1tshow at that level, cannot understand why so many outside of the States gets so wound up about him and if I were American faced with the choice of Hillers or the Trump I'd have likely stayed home that day. But... jesus he is at once entertaining, scary and farcical all at the same time in a way no US President has been. That lad in the Philippines would be his match, and the other guy(s) in various Fcukknowswheristans, but...

Rob A. Bank

He is manic tonight... the delusions of grandeur and blaming everyone else.

Someone forgot to medicate him !

Wibbs

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Trump coming across like a half assed loan shark demanding payment

Fair play K, you've pretty much nailed the man's entire shtick in one sentence.

Stheno

Around my area is quiet as it's a quiet estate with a lot of older people

In the town I live in you're normally be lucky to get parking on the main st but i was there yesterday and no problem

There are a few more people about but about 40% what youd normally see.

One thing that's changed in my area significantly since last week is that a lot of the pubs and restaurants announced last week that they were going to do takeaway/ delivery and that seems to have taken off, one of the more popular places in my area could not cope with orders so perhaps that's part of it?

That said there doesn't seem to be many people not doing social distancing