Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

JoChervil

Tinman22 wrote: »

Haven't posted on this thread before ,
But like many, I persume i've been reading it every day trying to keep up with whats going on around the country !!
I just found a family member is infected with the virus as is thier partner they have both had positive tests .
They are both health care workers 1 works in Donegal and the other in Derry .
Neither of them informed other family members , which I suppose is their own choice but would have been nice to be informed..
The one in donegal is off work as you would expect but the 1 in Derry is still working as usual while showing symptoms !!!!
They work as a community nurse and are calling with sick people in thier homes all day ,
I think this is absolutly scandalous we are couped up in our homes unable to go to work while somebody who is knowingly infected is travelling around from house to house meeting sick people , they were told by their superiors that they had to turn up for work knowing that they had a positive test so it is obviously policy for NHS to have infected nurses still on the job spreading this bloody virus all around the community....

I was on board with these restrictions and lockdown I thought it was the best thing to do to slow the virus down and hopefully save as many people as we can.
Now I just dont know it seems like absloute madness what is going on across the border.. I live in Donegal very close to the border so this is on my door step , this seems so at odds with me queing out side a mostly empty shop waiting for my turn to grab a few essential items and head home for another day looking at the same 4 walls just crazy !!!

I just needed to vent as we really cant believe what is going on ?! My own mother is in a community hospital at the minute in donegal I was talking to her yesterday I asked about things in there as we obviously aren't allowed to vist she was telling me nobody is wearing masks neither paitents or staff and I was annoyed about this last night but now im dumbfounded by the carry on in the north with infected nurses working away in the community....

I can't imagine how you must worry about you mum

Any reports of people in this country getting infected again or relapsing.

ShineOn7

CucaFace wrote: »

We wont need a to wait for a vaccine IMO.

I think the route back to a nearly normal life will be ....

Good post. I hope you're 100% right

spookwoman

Tinman22 wrote: »

Haven't posted on this thread before ,
But like many, I persume i've been reading it every day trying to keep up with whats going on around the country !!
I just found a family member is infected with the virus as is thier partner they have both had positive tests .
They are both health care workers 1 works in Donegal and the other in Derry .
Neither of them informed other family members , which I suppose is their own choice but would have been nice to be informed..
The one in donegal is off work as you would expect but the 1 in Derry is still working as usual while showing symptoms !!!!
They work as a community nurse and are calling with sick people in thier homes all day ,
I think this is absolutly scandalous we are couped up in our homes unable to go to work while somebody who is knowingly infected is travelling around from house to house meeting sick people , they were told by their superiors that they had to turn up for work knowing that they had a positive test so it is obviously policy for NHS to have infected nurses still on the job spreading this bloody virus all around the community....

I was on board with these restrictions and lockdown I thought it was the best thing to do to slow the virus down and hopefully save as many people as we can.
Now I just dont know it seems like absloute madness what is going on across the border.. I live in Donegal very close to the border so this is on my door step , this seems so at odds with me queing out side a mostly empty shop waiting for my turn to grab a few essential items and head home for another day looking at the same 4 walls just crazy !!!

I just needed to vent as we really cant believe what is going on ?! My own mother is in a community hospital at the minute in donegal I was talking to her yesterday I asked about things in there as we obviously aren't allowed to vist she was telling me nobody is wearing masks neither paitents or staff and I was annoyed about this last night but now im dumbfounded by the carry on in the north with infected nurses working away in the community....

Surely if this was nhs policy there would be other stories, could be just a bast*rd supervisor pulling a fast one or your relative is telling porkies. They can't fire someone if sick and they don't come in.
I did see something about nhs phone operators from agency staff barely getting win wage and keep working because of sick pay but that was cleared up.

bilston

Tinman22 wrote: »

Haven't posted on this thread before ,
But like many, I persume i've been reading it every day trying to keep up with whats going on around the country !!
I just found a family member is infected with the virus as is thier partner they have both had positive tests .
They are both health care workers 1 works in Donegal and the other in Derry .
Neither of them informed other family members , which I suppose is their own choice but would have been nice to be informed..
The one in donegal is off work as you would expect but the 1 in Derry is still working as usual while showing symptoms !!!!
They work as a community nurse and are calling with sick people in thier homes all day ,
I think this is absolutly scandalous we are couped up in our homes unable to go to work while somebody who is knowingly infected is travelling around from house to house meeting sick people , they were told by their superiors that they had to turn up for work knowing that they had a positive test so it is obviously policy for NHS to have infected nurses still on the job spreading this bloody virus all around the community....

I was on board with these restrictions and lockdown I thought it was the best thing to do to slow the virus down and hopefully save as many people as we can.
Now I just dont know it seems like absloute madness what is going on across the border.. I live in Donegal very close to the border so this is on my door step , this seems so at odds with me queing out side a mostly empty shop waiting for my turn to grab a few essential items and head home for another day looking at the same 4 walls just crazy !!!

I just needed to vent as we really cant believe what is going on ?! My own mother is in a community hospital at the minute in donegal I was talking to her yesterday I asked about things in there as we obviously aren't allowed to vist she was telling me nobody is wearing masks neither paitents or staff and I was annoyed about this last night but now im dumbfounded by the carry on in the north with infected nurses working away in the community....

As someone who lives and works in Northern Ireland I can assure you that anyone with even minor symtpoms is told to self isolate whether they have been tested or not. If they have received a positive test then they absolutely should not be at work. I have friends in the NHS who have tested positive up here and that is exactly what they have been told.

Either this is a very localised problem with your family member's superiors, in which case it should be called out, or you have got the wrong end of the stick. But it absolutely is not the policy of the NHS for infected NHS staff to be working.

Tinman22

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's madness. Have you tried contacting the media about this?

I have only just found out about this in the last few hours but have sent a similar message to our local radio station .
As I really am in total disbelief at the actions of the NHS in bringing nurses to work whilst sick and showing symptoms nevermind after having a positive test ....

How is it ripping through the nursing homes, infecting all residents, even with trained professional medical staff carrying it in; and not wiping out Lidl, Tesco, Aldi, Supervalue, Luas commuters, and much more?

The only reason I can think of is that it HAS already infected the supermarkets, and a large portion of the population, but hasn't caused them to go down sick.

There is no lightening rod vector striking the nursing homes.

People blame the staff but that's rubbish because the virus has struck everywhere.

It's just that the nursing homes are full of people who are unable to fight it off.

Jeff2

To me this clapping thing in Hospitals and elsewhere is stupid.

It's a good to move air around.

wakka12

How do nursing homes not have this problem with flu in normal years? Flu is obviously quite infectious and kills about 1-2% of people over 70 who get it

Andrew00

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

New Home

wakka12 wrote: »

How do nursing homes not have this problem with flu in normal years? Flu is obviously quite infectious and kills about 1-2% of people over 70 who get it

BECAUSE. THIS. IS. NOTHING. LIKE. THE. FLU.

fritzelly

wakka12 wrote: »

How do nursing homes not have this problem with flu in normal years? Flu is obviously quite infectious and kills about 1-2% of people over 70 who get it

Something called a flu jab

Polar101

Andrew00 wrote: »

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

This thing hasn't been going around for long enough to know for sure. Obviously if reinfection happened on a bigger scale, then there would be more reports of that happening. Since there hasn't been many, it seems more likely you don't get it twice. But since it's not certain, "herd immunity" projects like the one in Sweden are risky.

New Home

Andrew00 wrote: »

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

Because it's too early in the game. While there have been reports of people getting reinfected and even dying the second time they caught it, they haven't been able to find out for certain, YET, whether the people who caught it, tested negative, and then positive again, were actually reinfected, whether they caught a different strain, whether the negative tests were false negatives or whether the virus had gone latent and then re-emerged. Also, this is (again, TBC, maybe it's not) the first wave, how can you know if you're immune to it the second time around if the second time hasn't arrived yet? And how can they know if the antibodies stick around or if they disappear in time, when this virus has been around for literally a matter of months?

MrMusician18

fritzelly wrote: »

Something called a flu jab

The flu jab can be quite ineffective some years offering as little as 20-30% protection.

A flu jab that is considered good is only something like 60% effective.

New Home

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The flu jab can be quite ineffective some years offering as little as 20-30% protection.

A flu jab that is considered good is only something like 60% effective.

And it's only effective for certain strains, not for all, and not everybody can actually avail of it (for health reasons). There are drugs that do offer some protection against certain strains of flu, but not all - e.g. amantadine, which is used to treat Parkinson's and, off-label, to "wake" people in a minimal conscious state.

wakka12

New Home wrote: »

BECAUSE. THIS. IS. NOTHING. LIKE. THE. FLU.

I know but flu is also a very dangerous disease for elderly people and if it gets into nursing homes it would likely kill quite a lot of residents as well but you never hear of stories like that happening with flu

Turtwig

wakka12 wrote: »

I know but flu is also a very dangerous disease for elderly people and if it gets into nursing homes it would likely kill quite a lot of residents as well but you never hear of stories like that happening with flu

Because this is not the flu.

New Home

wakka12 wrote: »

I know but flu is also a very dangerous disease for elderly people and if it gets into nursing homes it would likely kill quite a lot of residents as well but you never hear of stories like that happening with flu

The fact that you don't hear about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Ever heard on the news of Clostridium Difficile infections in hospitals?

fritzelly

Anyone watching the One World concert - the bits I've seen have been naff, especially Paul McCartney at the moment

ShineOn7

wakka12 wrote: »

How do nursing homes not have this problem with flu in normal years? Flu is obviously quite infectious and kills about 1-2% of people over 70 who get it

(the old Gifs are still the best)

ShineOn7

fritzelly wrote: »

Anyone watching the One World concert - the bits I've seen have been naff, especially Paul McCartney at the moment

I wasn't even aware it was on, it didn't appear once today on any of my Social timelines

Is it big league singers doing a Live Aid type of thing, except from their living rooms and kitchens?

fritzelly

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I wasn't even aware it was on, it didn't appear once today on any of my Social timelines

Is it big league singers doing a Live Aid type of thing, except from their living rooms and kitchens?

Lots of big names but it aint Live Aid

Elton John on now - sounding like he doesn't have his teeth in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjMqd6KqXg

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.deeperblue.com/could-full-face-snorkeling-mask-help-protect-against-covid-19/

Full face snorkeling mask with a filter added

ShineOn7

fritzelly wrote: »

Lots of big names but it aint Live Aid

Elton John on now - sounding like he doesn't have his teeth in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjMqd6KqXg

Just started my first watch of Succession here Fitz. Have a good one

wakka12

Deaths in Cameroon double from 20 to 42

Kermit.de.frog

California becomes the 7th state to join the daily triple digit fatality club in the US. 106 deaths so far yesterday, the bulk in LA.

The governor has said no sporting, cultural events or mass gatherings of any kind will be allowed for the rest of the year.

fin12

Anyone who tries to speak the truth on this thread is silenced.

Pure c*nts on this thread.

And I don’t need to be told not to post again cause I’ve removed myself.

Curious_Case

Now the pantomime president says China should face consequences if they were "knowingly responsible"

What does that even mean?

I ask because he concedes that "a mistake is a mistake" so he's not referring to a mistake when he uses the term "knowingly responsible"

Hell, I don't even know if I'm "knowingly responsible"

Kermit.de.frog

wakka12 wrote: »

Deaths in Cameroon double from 20 to 42

104 new deaths so far in Mexico. Almost double from yesterday, and that was the highest so far.

s1ippy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Any reports of people in this country getting infected again or relapsing.

They're not even giving us figures on recovered patients, so it doesn't seem possible to ascertain that.

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Just started my first watch of Succession here Fitz. Have a good one

That's a fantastic show.

paddythere

CucaFace wrote: »

We wont need a to wait for a vaccine IMO.



I think the route back to a nearly normal life will be :



Complete mass testing available to the public with quick results to see if you have it or more importantly if you already have had it thus hopefully meaning you are immune ( i know this isnt proven either but its more then likely the case)- and the use of a proven anti viral drug ( Remdesivir perhaps is the best hope so far) to help with a high % of those who then get the severe cases .



If these are both in place then surely we can start getting back to normal if we can see that a far larger number have got the virus then is being officially reported ( reports from the USA today that it may be a factor of 50- 80 times higher based on one sample of the pop in California) and that we can treat a high % of the worst cases with the anti viral drug then this would really bring the death rate down to a % probably as low as a bad flu would kill.



So we need the anti body tests and anti viral drugs to be widely available which hopefully can be done in the short to medium term to hopefully allow us to get back to life before a vaccine is ready and before the whole economy is destroyed..

Something like that will probably happen in the likes of Germany, Japan, South Korea etc. but you know exactly how that will play out over here: Cluster**** after cluster****

JP Liz V1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Good improvisation here

Is that a vegetable, an onion?

Michael Dwyer

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I suspect the nursing home situation is going to get far worse before it gets better.

Deaths are the ultimate metric of how we are doing.

I don't like the 'exclude the nursing homes and we're doing fine' line.

They are human beings the same as the rest of us. I wouldn't be a huge Ricky Gervais fan but he made some good points on the LLS last night. He said look we're all heading for old age, if we're lucky. More than half of us will be in care homes, some of us will live out our lives at home. But none of us who think we're essential to the economy or some way invincible are immune to growing old.

No use praising ourselves on imagined success in community transmission when we've let down the most vulnerable in society.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

DubInMeath wrote: »

Easy to be unaware of any condition until it's nearly to late, my wife's uncle was putting the fact that he was getting leg cramps down to getting older as he cycled into work every day.

When he did eventually go to the doctor about it he was eventually diagnosed with heart issues and is on tablets due to increased risk of heart attack. He's a non smoker, healthy eater and had a job as a gardener with the council before he was diagnosed.

Paradoxically, sometimes being healthy and having a good lifestyle can damage a person because they take longer to get checked out because nobody think it could possibly be anything serious due to their lifestyle. Healthy-living is great but many people (even some doctors) do think it’s a forcefield against ill health when a certain percentage of ill health is down purely to bad luck. Living well lowers risk but doesn’t eliminate it.

s1ippy

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is that a vegetable, an onion?

Looks like Pak Choi, an onion would be very acidic to have over your respiratory system!

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gLwGbWHkI

New Home

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is that a vegetable, an onion?

Fennel.

Michael Dwyer

fin12 wrote: »

Anyone who tries to speak the truth on this thread is silenced.

Pure c*nts on this thread.

And I don’t need to be told not to post again cause I’ve removed myself.

Are you ok fin? I know exactly where you're coming from. But mind your mental health.

These forums are full of a lot of stressed people, with differing opinions, but don't read any malice into any posts. I don't think anyone intends that.

s1ippy

New Home wrote: »

Fennel.

So it is, I would love some of that for the polytunnel actually.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gLwGbWHkI

Obv reading lyrics off a sheet, kills the buzz for me every time.

JP Liz V1

Andrew00 wrote: »

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

There has been reinfected cases in Italy and China, I think none here so far

Some symptoms differ in cases so some could have had it twice (although was it proven there is no different strains?)

Michael Dwyer

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Paradoxically, sometimes being healthy and having a good lifestyle can damage a person because they take longer to get checked out because nobody think it could possibly be anything serious due to their lifestyle. Healthy-living is great but many people (even some doctors) do think it’s a forcefield against ill health when a certain percentage of ill health is down purely to bad luck. Living well lowers risk but doesn’t eliminate it.

I've had 2 healthy friends in their 30s who died because they never had lived with sickness. Very true.

You're the girl with the big C? How are you doing?

fritzelly

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There has been reinfected cases in Italy and China, I think none here so far

Some symptoms differ in cases so some could have had it twice (although was it proven there is no different strains?)

There has been no confirmed cases of reinfection
Now if someone came back as being reinfected with a different strain that would be something else.

JP Liz V1

s1ippy wrote: »

Looks like Pak Choi, an onion would be very acidic to have over your respiratory system!

Yes true, I really need to learn my veg

Kermit.de.frog

Spain to extend lock down until at least May 9th.

JP Liz V1

fritzelly wrote: »

There has been no confirmed cases of reinfection
Now if someone came back as being reinfected with a different strain that would be something else.

It could have been on a thread here but I was sure I read that they was cases of patients who got the virus again in both China and Italy

Minnie Snuggles

Andrew00 wrote: »

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Dr. Zhong Nanshan FRCPE FRCP FRCPI age 83… a weightlifter and the public face of China's virus containment efforts. He was sent to Wohan to sort out the problem there in January and locked down the city 2 days later.

It is not yet known if people who think they have recovered from the virus may still have very low levels of the virus (so low that they are undetectable in tests) may have a relapse or whether the "relapse" is a re-infection.

endacl

Deleted User wrote: »

And while I'm at it, why the **** does this website block out the world ****? Embarrassing in this day and age. Grow up DeVore.

Do you mean the word **** or the word ****? I mean, I totally understand your frustration with not being allowed to us the word ****, but if we let people say ****, what’s next? ****? ****? Or even ****? On the other hand, **** in the right context would be OK. But never combined with ****.

Michael Dwyer

Watching a documentary on 1918 flu pandemic.

Masks mandatory in San Francisco. A few people who didn't wear them were shot! San Francisco had the lowest death rates in the states. Amazing how we can't learn. It's as if we think we're too sophisticated to learn from 100 years ago.

PTH2009

fritzelly wrote: »

Lots of big names but it aint Live Aid

Elton John on now - sounding like he doesn't have his teeth in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjMqd6KqXg

I'll watch the highlights and then rewatch this stream when I found out when my favourites were on it

Too full of fakeness and 'look how great I am inside by big **** off house'