Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

fritzelly

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It could have been on a thread here but I was sure I read that they was cases of patients who got the virus again in both China and Italy

Some people being treated with drugs (Remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine for example) may be making the virus suppressed to a point of being undetectable and then it blooms up again after the drug regime stops

BorneTobyWilde

s1ippy wrote: »

So it is, I would love some of that for the polytunnel actually.


Obv reading lyrics off a sheet, kills the buzz for me every time.

At least she's not playing Animal Crossing 24/7 ha

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/dont-bet-on-vaccine-to-protect-us-from-covid-19-says-world-health-expert

Don’t bet on vaccine to protect us from Covid-19, says world health expert

Professor of global health at Imperial College, London warns we ‘may have to adapt’ to virus


Humanity will have to live with the threat of coronavirus “for the foreseeable future” and adapt accordingly because there is no guarantee that a vaccine can be successfully developed, one of the world’s leading experts on the disease has warned.

The stark message was delivered by David Nabarro, professor of global health at Imperial College, London, and an envoy for the World Health Organisation on Covid-19, as the number of UK hospital deaths from the virus passed 15,000.


A further 888 people were reported on Saturday to have lost their lives – a figure described by communities secretary Robert Jenrick as “extremely sobering” – while the total number who have been infected increased by 5,525 to 114,217.

The latest figures, which do not include deaths in care homes and in the community, put further pressure on the government amid continuing anger among NHS workers and unions over the lack personal protective equipment (PPE) for hospital and care home staff on the front line.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

I've had 2 healthy friends in their 30s who died because they never had lived with sickness. Very true.

You're the girl with the big C? How are you doing?

Very well at the moment. About 20 months ago, I was diagnosed with bone marrow metastases and the seven or eight months after that were brutal. Endless blood transfusions and two different chemos that did nothing and only made me sick. So we switched to a different chemo that was relatively new on the market and it worked incredibly well. It stabilised things so well that my oncologist was able to take me off it for a while to give me a break from hospitals and switch me to a hormone-blocker tablet that I can take at home. That’s also been working and is incredibly mild and means I only need to visit the hospital every three months. The chemo I went off is still in my arsenal too because it hadn’t stopped working when I went off it.

I’m lucky we got it under control because just over a year ago, I basically had no platelets or white blood cells so coronavirus would have quickly taken me out if I got it. Now, I’d have a chance.

JP Liz V1

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Very well at the moment. About 20 months ago, I was diagnosed with bone marrow metastases and the seven or eight months after that were brutal. Endless blood transfusions and two different chemos that did nothing and only made me sick. So we switched to a different chemo that was relatively new on the market and it worked incredibly well. It stabilised things so well that my oncologist was able to take me off it for a while to give me a break from hospitals and switch me to a hormone-blocker tablet that I can take at home. That’s also been working and is incredibly mild and means I only need to visit the hospital every three months. The chemo I went off is still in my arsenal too because it hadn’t stopped working when I went off it.

I’m lucky we got it under control because just over a year ago, I basically had no platelets or white blood cells so coronavirus would have quickly taken me out if I got it. Now, I’d have a chance.

Take care and keep fighting

Michael Dwyer

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Very well at the moment. About 20 months ago, I was diagnosed with bone marrow metastases and the seven or eight months after that were brutal. Endless blood transfusions and two different chemos that did nothing and only made me sick. So we switched to a different chemo that was relatively new on the market and it worked incredibly well. It stabilised things so well that my oncologist was able to take me off it for a while to give me a break from hospitals and switch me to a hormone-blocker tablet that I can take at home. That’s also been working and is incredibly mild and means I only need to visit the hospital every three months. The chemo I went off is still in my arsenal too because it hadn’t stopped working when I went off it.

I’m lucky we got it under control because just over a year ago, I basically had no platelets or white blood cells so coronavirus would have quickly taken me out if I got it. Now, I’d have a chance.

I'm glad to hear the new treatment is working.

I'm sure you're doing your very best to avoid Covid. I have some respiratory and immune system issues myself but I'm doing well.

Wishing you every health and happiness. I know these fora are a bit fractious, and we all get emotional at times but behind it all the vast majority of posters are making sense of it all as best they can.

I think we all have little agendas to a certain extent. While I miss communication with the outside world another side of me is glad to be off work. I can't stand the management clique in my work and it's great to be away from them. The work is far from essential and they can't believe they had to cease. So yes some of my motives aren't the most noble!

New Home

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There has been reinfected cases in Italy and China, I think none here so far

Some symptoms differ in cases so some could have had it twice (although was it proven there is no different strains?)

Actually, there are some different strains:

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

cameramonkey

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There has been reinfected cases in Italy and China, I think none here so far

Some symptoms differ in cases so some could have had it twice (although was it proven there is no different strains?)

Reinfection or relapse?

Strazdas

Sunday Indo and MoS report there are definite plans to ease the restrictions on May 5th

US2

9th highest death rate in the world. What are we doing wrong

fritzelly

US2 wrote: »

9th highest death rate in the world. What are we doing wrong

Reporting the real figures

Richard Hillman

I am getting the impression that the abandonment of nursing homes could be a big story over the next few months. We've seen cases abroad of it happening wide scale.


The amount of Nursing home jobs I have seen advertised on the likes of indeed over the just few weeks would suggest staffing levels are very very low

Atlantic Dawn

US2 wrote: »

9th highest death rate in the world. What are we doing wrong

Nursing homes.

Subtract those figures and we are doing good.

wakka12

But nursing homes are part of the figure, so

Michael Dwyer

Strazdas wrote: »

Sunday Indo and MoS report there are definite plans to ease the restrictions on May 5th

There may be plans but whether they'll be implemented depends on what the numbers are in 10 days time.

If they didn't have plans you'd question what they were doing!

JP100

Cavan getting hit very badly it seems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-cavan-worst-affected-county-outside-of-dublin-latest-figures-suggest-1.4232591%3fmode=amp

Atlantic Dawn

wakka12 wrote: »

But nursing homes are part of the figure, so

Yes 45% of figures, little or no control possible once they get infected as they are not hospitals, once a worker or visitor bring it in you are looking at complete spread througout the location.

Michael Dwyer

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Nursing homes.

Subtract those figures and we are doing good.

If you took away December 2010 the winter of 2010/2011 was unremarkable and mild.

Apart from the area around the twin towers New York didn't suffer much from a terrorist attack on 11 September 2001.

wakka12

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-cavan-worst-affected-county-outside-of-dublin-latest-figures-suggest-1.4232591

Map of cases per capita in Ireland

Dublin most affected by far, but then Cavan number two bizarrely not far behind Dublin in cases per capita. Then Westmeath which also has a lot of cases.
Then in very distant 4th,5th,6th,7th position are Louth,Kildare, Monaghan and Wicklow.

All other counties have a very low number of cases per capita including Cork.

Dublin now has almost 7000 confirmed cases

Atlantic Dawn

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

If you took away December 2010 the winter of 2010/2011 was unremarkable and mild.

Apart from the area around the twin towers New York didn't suffer much from a terrorist attack on 11 September 2001.

The country is in lockdown and all visits to nursing homes have been banned for about a month but nearly half the deaths in this country are people living in nursing homes, that's my point.

Michael Dwyer

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The country is in lockdown and all visits to nursing homes have been banned for about a month but nearly half the deaths in this country are people living in nursing homes, that's my point.

I know but they are part of society and their numbers are human beings who should be counted the same as any other deaths. And 55% deaths outside nursing homes is still a figure of over 300.

fritzelly

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The country is in lockdown and all visits to nursing homes have been banned for about a month but nearly half the deaths in this country are people living in nursing homes, that's my point.

One person infected becomes contagious after 10 days or so and infects another 5, 10 days or so later those 5 are contagious and infect another 25...

The length of time the lockdown as been in operation is irrelevant - the only way this could have been prevented is mass testing in the homes to catch infected people quickly and isolate them among many other measures that could have been taken like not mixing staff between homes

Atlantic Dawn

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

I know but they are part of society and their numbers are human beings who should be counted the same as any other deaths. And 55% deaths outside nursing homes is still a figure of over 300.

I know they are but what can Joe The Plumber do about it, clearly the government fooked up royally and will be sued for their negligence over it.

BanditLuke

Strazdas wrote: »

Sunday Indo and MoS report there are definite plans to ease the restrictions on May 5th

Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.

Michael Dwyer

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I know they are but what can Joe The Plumber do about it, clearly the government fooked up royally and will be sued for their negligence over it.

Joe the Plumber was never at fault.

It's government as you rightly say. But we can't, as a country, say we're doing well. Individuals, I'm sure you are one, are doing their bit, the vast majority. Staff in supermarkets, the health service etc, all staying at home.

It's old ground but the Italian rugby gang, lack of Cheltenham clarity, slowness in stopping flights that let too much Covid in. Oh the Simons and Leo look serious and talk the talk but were slow out of the traps.

Maestro85

BanditLuke wrote: »

Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.

These last few days at work (a tourism site) was very quiet but there is a noticeable increase in people visiting from around the county the last 2 days. Those I have interacted with have this attitude of "things are better and we have it beaten" and any words of caution they hear is dismissed because the government has said so by easing restrictions in early May (their words and attitude I have experiences). I truly hope that the minority, and they are a minority, of Irish people flaunting the restrictions are correct because I can't face another wave/spike of this nonsense again.

Atlantic Dawn

Have we any cases of supermarket staff here infected? I'm very surprised that I've not seen any in the media yet these workers would be currently the most exposed by far outside the healthcare sector.

wakka12

A 14th passenger on the Diamond Princess has died..out of 785 affected. 7 remain in ICU, and 55 active cases. Crazy how long its been, it feels like years since that was on the news

Michael Dwyer

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Have we any cases of supermarket staff here infected? I'm very surprised that I've not seen any in the media yet these workers would be currently the most exposed by far outside the healthcare sector.

I haven't heard of much. A friend's wife went into isolation with a cough and temperature in a local Centra but she tested negative. I agree. They seem vulnerable.

Michael Dwyer

wakka12 wrote: »

A 14th passenger on the Diamond Princess has died..out of 785 affected. 7 remain in ICU, and 55 active cases. Crazy how long its been, it feels like years since that was on the news

The days when Diamond princess was up with the top 5 countries in terms of cases seem a long way off...

Fuascailteoir

What has gone wrong in Cavan? Is it a result of the border and the late action of the British government or are other factors at play.

Kermit.de.frog

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

The days when Diamond princess was up with the top 5 countries in terms of cases seem a long way off...

There was, believe or not, a brief time where it might take the title :eek:

It also has it's own entire section on worldometers :eek:

Atlantic Dawn

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

What has gone wrong in Cavan? Is it a result of the border and the late action of the British government or are other factors at play.

I'd be thinking of people working in Dublin commuting from Cavan but not sure how relevant that is in these weeks.

JP100

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

What has gone wrong in Cavan? Is it a result of the border and the late action of the British government or are other factors at play.

I think it may have taken hold in the hospital and spread out from there. Cavan General Hospital is quite a big hospital and which would also serve quite a number of surrounding counties. Think the hospital was hit by a pretty severe Covid cluster and then it spread out in to the community from there. When the virus takes hold in a hospital and is not isolated very quickly its surrounding community sadly bears the brunt very quickly.

The border situation would also be a further added complication for counties like Cavan.

Speaking of worldometers, was that site big before this virus? I mean is it like a public service or some guy sitting on his couch who happened to make it big because of all this?

Unearthly

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Speaking of worldometers, was that site big before this virus? I mean is it like a public service or some guy sitting on his couch who happened to make it big because of all this?

I've shamefully taken this from wikipedia but it launched in 2008 and is owned by a data company

Have a read, Kermit: https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/the-secret-to-vietnams-covid-19-response-success/?fbclid=IwAR1AS2oqPZO5UWkzySkpYyLdSnu9Z1_so2dB6C5goalPw1Tg_bo-pcHfJZc

I know it's basically impossible for you personally to accept that Vietnam, a one-party "communist" government, handled this infinitely better than Ireland. I know this because of your posts going back years. But it's real and it's true. There isn't some massive control of media here that you imagine. Within minutes of no.17 being confirmed positive, it was all over the internet and her flight itinerary and all details of every passenger were leaked online. If there was some hidden epidemic, it would be known. The government isn't rich enough to be like China or North Korea.

Your "but look at Vietnam's neighbours" nonsense a day ago really summed up how little you know of what was done here. ASEAN is not the EU. There isn't mass movement of people every day, and any there was was stopped. The idea of shutting borders is alien to you because it's impossible where you live. If I remember your posts going back years, surely you can remember mine where I was one of the only posters here apart from Klaz directly affected by it for around six or seven weeks before Ireland finally took action. The world knew what was happening. I knew what was happening. I've been out of work since January because of less than a dozen cases here. But the costs of proactive action were too great in the West. Instead, people now just blame China as if their governments were incapable of taking action. They were. Vietnam banned flights from China on the 1st Feb. Cheltenham was on the 13th March.

We here in Vietnam are not shocked that the numbers are so low, we are shocked that they are so high. 268 or whatever it was yesterday is a joke for what was done here and the impact the measures had on people's lives. Had no.17 not lied about being in Italy and had not been allowed back here, the numbers would be far lower. I've spent three months watching ineffective reactive bullshlt measures worldwide knowing it means Vietnam won't be able to open up for the rest of the year because of it.

And masks.. Jesus Christ masks. How on Earth Western governments managed to convince people they were ineffective, I'll never know, but there will be books written about it. Vietnam has on the spot fines for not wearing them and massive public shaming on social media and the news by both the government and by each other. Some Irish guy in the HSE says they don't really help you not get the virus and it's gospel.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog

Weekly unemployment claims in the USA from 1965 (y axis in thousands)...until now

Lillyfae

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have a read, Kermit: https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/the-secret-to-vietnams-covid-19-response-success/?fbclid=IwAR1AS2oqPZO5UWkzySkpYyLdSnu9Z1_so2dB6C5goalPw1Tg_bo-pcHfJZc

I know it's basically impossible for you personally to accept that Vietnam, a one-party "communist" government, handled this infinitely better than Ireland.

It’s pretty easy to understand that a communist regime will be willing and able to impose and enforce whatever rules they want in the way that no democracy will be able to. The Irish government, along with many others, can’t just blanket do whatever they want to their citizens, especially in the beginning when no one in Europe was affected and nothing was known about the virus.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have a read, Kermit: https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/the-secret-to-vietnams-covid-19-response-success/?fbclid=IwAR1AS2oqPZO5UWkzySkpYyLdSnu9Z1_so2dB6C5goalPw1Tg_bo-pcHfJZc

And masks.. Jesus Christ masks. How on Earth Western governments managed to convince people they were ineffective, I'll never know, but there will be books written about it. Vietnam has on the spot fines for not wearing them and massive public shaming on social media and the news by both the government and by each other. Some Irish guy in the HSE says they don't really help you not get the virus and it's gospel.

How many times does it need to be said? Lack of PPE. Stay away from people and you won’t need a mask, and it can go to frontline stay who desperately need it. Of course it’s not useless and that’s not what’s being communicated, it’s just a bit obsolete if you’re only leaving the house to walk the dog.

We get it. You’re in Vietnam. You have reminded us of that about every 10 posts in the last 15 threads. Good luck, stay safe, stay sane and hope you can resume your essential TEFL work when this is all over.

JRant

Lillyfae wrote: »

It’s pretty easy to understand that a communist regime will be willing and able to impose and enforce whatever rules they want in the way that no democracy will be able to. The Irish government, along with many others, can’t just blanket do whatever they want to their citizens, especially in the beginning when no one in Europe was affected and nothing was known about the virus.



How many times does it need to be said? Lack of PPE. Stay away from people and you won’t need a mask, and it can go to frontline stay who desperately need it. Of course it’s not useless and that’s not what’s being communicated, it’s just a bit obsolete if you’re only leaving the house to walk the dog.

We get it. You’re in Vietnam. You have reminded us of that about every 10 posts in the last 15 threads. Good luck, stay safe, stay sane and hope you can resume your essential TEFL work when this is all over.

I agree with Ads though. We were absolutely told you needed a PhD to use them and that they didn't work anyway. It was never mentioned the reason to not wear them was because of shortages. That's a narrative that's been played out after the fact.

Asian countries with experience in dealing with SARS-1 and other epidemics are very proactive on asking the general population to wear them. Not to stop you from getting it but to help stop you spreading it, particularly if you are asymptomatic.

zinfandel

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I am getting the impression that the abandonment of nursing homes could be a big story over the next few months. We've seen cases abroad of it happening wide scale.


The amount of Nursing home jobs I have seen advertised on the likes of indeed over the just few weeks would suggest staffing levels are very very low

they pay close to minimum wage for HCA why would anyone apply when they can get maybe 50 less to sit at home . They cant get staff, same problem with the fruit picking and agri ,

Lillyfae

Lillyfae wrote: »

We get it. You’re in Vietnam. You have reminded us of that about every 10 posts in the last 15 threads. Good luck, stay safe, stay sane and hope you can resume your essential TEFL work when this is all over.

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I have 19 posts in this thread and was banned from most of the other ones before this. If you have an issue with me continuing to give my Vietnam perspective on things like I have for the last decade on the site, block me. If you have an issue with me pointing out that Irish people are dying not because of bat-eating man in Wuhan, but because of slow and ineffective measures by the Irish government, block me, as I will be repeatedly making this point for as long as people think that Ireland couldn't have done anything about it.

Kermit.de.frog

Look, you know the figures are bs for Vietnam as I do.

I'm not going to bother arguing the toss.

Here, have a giggle...

https://twitter.com/TheGlare_TM/status/1242524564011257857

I've been meaning to ask you again. Would you rather Ireland had taken Vietnam's measures or no? You never got around to answering last time for some reason.

Kermit.de.frog

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been meaning to ask you again. Would you rather Ireland had taken Vietnam's measures or no? You never got around to answering last time for some reason.

No I wouldn't.

Bizarre.

Lillyfae

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I have 19 posts in this thread and was banned from most of the other ones before this. If you have an issue with me continuing to give my Vietnam perspective on things like I have for the last decade on the site, block me. If you have an issue with me pointing out that Irish people are dying not because of bat-eating man in Wuhan, but because of slow and ineffective measures by the Irish government, block me, as I will be repeatedly making this point for as long as people think that Ireland couldn't have done anything about it.

Thanks Captain Hindsight, that’s just what we need. I’m sure we’re all dying for your Vietnam correspondence. But seeing as no other government or country, despite claims, have managed to contain this, I don’t see how the same criticism over and over is constructive, especially when trying to put a round democracy peg into a square communist hole.

There is more than Covid-19 sputum at play here. Shortage of equipment, IC beds, economic catastrophe, mental health, annihilation of society as we know it, to name a few.

Kermit.de.frog

We live in an open democracy.

An alien concept to some places I understand.

ek motor

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-no-transmission-coronavirus-tweet-was-to-appease-china-guardian-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

Good article regarding WHO's infamous "no evidence of human-to-human transmission" tweet.

Truly an incompetent and cowardly organisation.